2010/5/25 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
Can two rites make a ceremony?
Dunno. Can two wrights make a play?
Can three wrights make a left?
If two lights make a
On 24 May 2010 05:17, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
This list has too many/much pun_dits...
There must be something about two puns and a write but I'm damned
if I can think of it.
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2010/5/24 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
This list has too many/much pun_dits...
Well, two punishments can fit one crime...
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I've had lots of experience with breaking technology.
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From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't
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Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Leica M9
2010/5/23 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:
I for one
On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
No corporation that consistently cheats it's customers will survive. To
do that you need a gun and the unrestricted will to use it. Otherwise
customers will flee to another haven. Free markets are free, and the
worst offenses happen in the markets that
On 5/23/2010 1:01 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
I've never understood that type of policy, generally here it's your
responsibility to decide before purchase if the item will suite your
needs, it can only be returned if faulty after purchase, never just
because you don't like it. You just couldn't run
On 5/23/2010 6:22 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:
I once talked to someone who had been a technician at Acoustic Research,
back when AR speakers carried a lifetime warranty. He said they got one
or two a year that were burned out in a recognisable way, what you get if
you run 110 volt AC into the
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Rob, just a small point here. You actually assume that when entering a shop,
customer would have a fair chance to preview the product before they buy it.
In quite many cases (at least here) you don't have such a luxury as a buyer.
Add to
On 5/23/2010 10:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
The retailers obligations are set by law and effectively the onus of
suitability lies with the purchaser, only if the product does not
provide the functions advertised or if it fails or is DOA/broken could
the reseller be forced to accept a return. If
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
When faced with request from a buyer to return the mis-sold item, the buyer
would parry with you're a grown up person, you should have listened better;
it is too late now.
Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling off period
On 5/23/2010 11:10 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling off period but
generally in retail shops the buyer makes the final decision to part
with their cash or not. Can't get more basic really, if I stuff up
it's off to eBay the bad purchase goes.
2010/5/23 Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And
even
On 22/5/10, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
I can guarantee you that there's plenty of people on this list who
would willing partake in actions on a regular basis, that my
conscience would prohibit me from doing.
Shit - I'm on Youtube?
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From: Tom C
Interesting.
I'm here sticking up for Christian, and I wasn't the guy that returned
the camera. :-)
But I understand the mindset. It's not about ripping someone off. If
any one is doing that it's the mfrs., the vendors, and the retailers
that have their hoards of i-dotting and
From: Tom C
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And
even then they'll hide behind
- Original Message -
From: eckinator
Subject: Re: Leica M9
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
William Robb
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From: Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
When faced with request from a buyer to return the mis-sold item, the buyer
would parry with you're a grown up person, you should have listened better;
it is too late now.
Here some types of contracts have an
- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: Returns (was Re: Leica M9)
The only thing that bothered me about it was knowing XX management
would blame me for giving bad customer service if the customer complained
to management. Didn't matter if you were following
- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: Leica M9
In the case that started this discussion, the return was made in
accordance with the retailer's published return policy.
Not quite.
Their return policy definitely states that items that have been damaged
through
Sun May 23 01:11:29 CDT 2010
Boris Liberman wrote:
On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
No corporation that consistently cheats it's customers will survive. To
do that you need a gun and the unrestricted will to use it. Otherwise
customers will flee to another haven. Free markets are
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: Leica M9
In the case that started this discussion, the return was made in
accordance with the retailer's published return policy.
Not quite.
Their return policy definitely states that items that have been
I'd say yes it did. Abnormal use = abuse. I seriously doubt
that camera designers factor in an alcoholic drink being
spilled onto their non-waterproof body, and would certify
normal performance thereafter.
I disagree. Abnormal use does not equal - indeed, does not even imply -
abuse.
2010/5/23 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
And an airplane can make three lefts, some even four. Things
inevitably come full circle.
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- Original Message - From: eckinator Subject: Re: Leica M9
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
Can two rites make a ceremony?
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2010/5/23 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
Can two rites make a ceremony?
Dunno. Can two wrights make a play?
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Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
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2010/5/23 Cotty cotty...@mac.com:
Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
And two fangs can take a bite.
In Denmark they can buy Dong Energy.
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Yes but you're describing stupidity and greed on the part of customers.
In spite of that the law should be able to shut down the truly
dishonest, yet it doesn't.
On 5/23/2010 1:52 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
Sun May 23 01:11:29 CDT 2010
Boris Liberman wrote:
On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J.
On 5/22/2010 8:33 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
On May 22, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 23/05/2010, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the
On 5/23/2010 4:32 AM, eckinator wrote:
2010/5/23 Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com:
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too
2010/5/23 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
2010/5/23 Cotty cotty...@mac.com:
Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
And two fangs can take a bite.
In Denmark they can buy Dong Energy.
I've been thinking... two bongs could fly my kite but it only takes
two puns to make me write but the real question
- Original Message -
From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: Leica M9
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
Can two rites make a ceremony?
Any more than that would be a ceremany
William Robb
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This list has too many/much pun_dits...
Boris
On 5/24/2010 2:08 AM, eckinator wrote:
2010/5/23 eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com:
2010/5/23 Cottycotty...@mac.com:
Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
And two fangs can take a bite.
In Denmark they can buy Dong Energy.
I've been thinking... two
2010/5/22 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:
The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way
they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they
can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially
true if they believe that big companies are
Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't have that little dot that turns
red when it gets wet. Cells phones all have them. I've immersed two.
Oddly, the one I quickly recovered died whereas the one I actually put
through a cycle of the washing machine dried out just fine. I've had
lots of experience
Stealing from big companies doesn't count either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEG9EnHnw0
;-)
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't have that little dot that turns
red when it gets wet. Cells phones all have them.
- Original Message -
From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble.
You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working.
That's like saying
, 2010 at 12:14 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble.
You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera
On 23/05/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this is very different from a situation where I buy a
camera, use it for two weeks and then decide I don't like it, or
discover a model I like better. If that happened I would bring the
camera back to the store, tell them I didn't
The store would be left holding a camera that they can no
longer sell as new...
I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other
gear, looked pristine and the all of the packaging was as new), we
From: Steven Desjardins
The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way
they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they
can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially
true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way
On 5/22/2010 6:38 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Steven Desjardins
The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way
they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they
can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially
true if they believe that
On 23/05/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other gear,
looked pristine and the all of the packaging was as new), we wouldn't give
you all
On May 22, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 23/05/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other gear,
looked pristine and the all of
From: Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this is very different from a situation where I buy a
camera, use it for two weeks and then decide I don't like it, or
discover a model I like better. If that happened I would bring the
camera back to the
On 5/23/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
As Christian pointed out some companies do have a very lenient return
policy.
I once talked to someone who had been a technician at Acoustic Research,
back when AR speakers carried a lifetime warranty. He said they got one
or two a year that were
Interesting.
I'm here sticking up for Christian, and I wasn't the guy that returned
the camera. :-)
But I understand the mindset. It's not about ripping someone off. If
any one is doing that it's the mfrs., the vendors, and the retailers
that have their hoards of i-dotting and t-crossing
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:44:07PM -0600, Tom C wrote:
As Christian pointed out some companies do have a very lenient return
policy. Does the fact that the owner didn't say it was spilled upon
make him dishonest? I don't think so. Was the customer service clerk
happy to give him a new camera,
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And
even then they'll hide behind all the
- Original Message -
From: eckinator
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Personally, I pay 2.5% p.a. on the amount I want to receive for any
insured item in the event that it becomes unusable for any reason
whatsoever, theft, loss, damage, failure, coffee spill etc. no
questions asked.
I
- Original Message -
From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Not trying to be argumentative.
I just think the condemnation I'm hearing regarding the G11 return is
rather unwarranted. He just as easily could have gotten a defective
one from the store and would have had to return
- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Leica M9
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That's kind of a horror story to me. To buy something in order to return
it and get some money in the process out of thin air, effectively...
OMG
To bring this back somewhat to on topic (relevent to
photography, if not
Pentax), many years ago I was told of a local photographer
who specialized
on food and lifestyle photography.
She shopped at the local higher end stores, buying place
settings, cutlery,
glasswear, linens,
-
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Leica M9
- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Leica M9
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That's kind
From: Bruce Dayton
Having followed this thread, and being a father of 4, I have to say
this would be a poor way to teach my children to behave. What goes
around comes around - teach them to abuse the system and where will
they be in the future. Seems to smack of the entitlement attitude so
On May 21, 2010, at 1:57 AM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Leica M9
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That's kind of a horror story to me. To buy something in order to return it
and get some money
Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your reference?
TIA
Ecke
How about the ones who buy two single device boxes, take the side plates off
so as to make a two gang box and then bring the side plates back for a full
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- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: Leica M9
And compared to the blatant dishonesty I witnessed, returning a camera
that stopped working and not volunteering that it stopped working after
getting splashed doesn't really rate.
So it's OK to beat your wife
- Original Message -
From: paul stenquist
Subject: Re: Leica M9
For example, to dress several people for a television commercial, the
wardrobe consultant might bring thirty different outfits to a review
session -- all with pricetags hanging. Three will be chosen, the rest
- Original Message -
From: eckinator
Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your
reference?
In North America, a device box is something that a wall mounted switch (a
light switch for example) would
From: William Robb
From: Boris Liberman
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That's kind of a horror story to me. To buy something in order to return
it and get some money in the process out of thin air, effectively...
OMG... *sigH*
To bring this back
From: eckinator
Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your reference?
TIA
Ecke
How about the ones who buy two single device boxes, take the side plates off
so as to make a two gang box and then bring the side plates back for a full
refund?
Yeah, I'll second that.
Bruce,
The question in my mind became in this instance:
Did spilling a single drink on the camera make the owner at fault for
the subsequent failure of the object? My wife has a G9 and I have a
G10, the predecessors to the G11. Knowing their build quality and
that I use the G10 in wet and
And compared to the blatant dishonesty I witnessed,
returning a camera
that stopped working and not volunteering that it stopped
working after
getting splashed doesn't really rate.
So it's OK to beat your wife as long as the bruises aren't visible?
Burqa and sunglasses - that
- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
I understand what the single gang boxes are and about doubling to make a
two gang box (although why not just buy a two gang box?), but I don't
understand how you get a refund
On May 21, 2010, at 12:34 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist
Subject: Re: Leica M9
For example, to dress several people for a television commercial,
the wardrobe consultant might bring thirty different outfits to a
review session -- all
- Original Message -
From: P N Stenquist
Subject: Re: Leica M9
For example, to dress several people for a television commercial, the
wardrobe consultant might bring thirty different outfits to a review
session -- all with pricetags hanging. Three will be chosen, the rest
On 5/21/2010 12:33 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Leica M9
And compared to the blatant dishonesty I witnessed, returning a
camera that stopped working and not volunteering that it stopped
working after getting splashed doesn't really
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
What I'm reading from what you are saying, in general terms, is that it is
OK to try to decieve to one's advantage in business; and that it is wrong to
get caught, since it is possible that at some point one might actually
Everything I read indicates justification for that which you
inherently know is wrong - doesn't make it right, just allows you to
go with the flow so you can take advantage as the next guy.
I'm saying this is part of what is wrong with our society - instead
of teaching morals and values we end up
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 02:13:15PM -0400, Tom C wrote:
He said he would have told what happened, if he was asked. The
statement he made was honest . . .
I disagree.
The statement was technically truthful, but the intent was to deceive.
That's not honest (or honourable) in my book.
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Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble.
You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working.
Tom C.
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
I don't believe the system is noble - it is just responding to the
human element. If we don't teach and strive for nobility, what do we
become?
I would have a real hard time taking my 13 year old son with me to
return something in those circumstances because I know darn well what
I would be
I'm with you on this.
The difference I have would be mainly this.
If the product was defective and should have held up under said
conditions, then I believe as a consumer it's fair to receive a brand
new replacement camera immediately as opposed to sending it in
for a warranty repair (the result
On 2010-05-21 12:33 , Tom C wrote:
I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working.
sure, if you really think the camera was faulty for not withstanding the
spill, but frankly, that's unreasonable and sounds like an excuse to
make the return seem okay
i
Well I do think that actually. :-)
I suspect I could take any one of my Pentax DSLR bodies and dump a
16oz or 24oz glass of water on it, and not see any ill effects except
for it being cleaner.
I've used my non-weather-sealed *istD in the rain numerous times with
water all beaded up on the top
and corporations.
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
I understand what the single gang boxes are and about doubling to make a
two gang box (although why
Steven Desjardins wrote:
I can't help but notice that this thread about customer dishonesty
began as a thread about Leica foisting an imperfect product on
someone. It doesn't surprise me that we have drifted into whatever
you can get away with since that attitude in part of as many
transactions
OK now I get it - TY Bill
The benefits of cheap labor, I guess...
Cheers
Ecke
2010/5/21 William Robb war...@gmail.com:
- Original Message - From: eckinator
Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your
The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way
they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they
can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially
true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way
not a person and do not
On 19 May 2010 15:41, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: Steven Desjardins
It should still bother him. A Leica should be a dream purchase.
They charge top dollar and they are competing with some of the best
pro cameras. The very idea that it just wouldn't work right is
almost
I can get a Ducati under $10K ;-) It will be interesting to see how
well Pentax does with their new dream camera, the 645D.
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:33 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 19 May 2010 15:41, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: Steven Desjardins
It
On 5/20/2010 5:33 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 19 May 2010 15:41, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: Steven Desjardins
It should still bother him. A Leica should be a dream purchase.
They charge top dollar and they are competing with some of the best
pro cameras. The very
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 08:13:43PM +0200, eckinator wrote:
2010/5/19 Christian Skofteland pterali...@aim.com:
I bought my G11 a few weeks ago at BestBuy in Virginia. While in New York
on business I accidentally spilled a collegues
cocktail all over it. Needless to say it stopped
I could buy a Lambo for under £10K. But I'd probably have more
success commuting on the 645D.
On 20 May 2010 13:18, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I can get a Ducati under $10K ;-) It will be interesting to see how
well Pentax does with their new dream camera, the 645D.
On
On 20 May 2010 14:48, Christian Skofteland pterali...@aim.com wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 08:13:43PM +0200, eckinator wrote:
2010/5/19 Christian Skofteland pterali...@aim.com:
I bought my G11 a few weeks ago at BestBuy in Virginia. While in New York
on business I accidentally spilled
I once or may be even more than once had a friendly chat with one of
my Israeli friends (I mean locals, not immigrants like myself)
regarding the low quality of customer service in Israel. It has been
pointed out to me, that in some cases the companies, stores and
otherwise service providers would
Companies that are looking at the big picture ensure they have
outstanding customer service, because they realize that a huge % of
their business comes from repeat customers and to a smaller extent
word of mouth.
Even if they had to suffer a small loss on some item, smart companies
will gladly do
- Original Message -
From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Can't believe you did that. Hate to step on your or anyone's toes but
instead of taking responsibility you ripped them off and knew so.
No. I disagree. I was in customer service for a decade or so. The customer
often not used up, and
extra profit is generated by it. So who's benefiting?
Tom C.
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:49 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
- Original Message - From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Can't believe you did that. Hate to step on your or anyone's toes
On 2010-05-20 07:48 , Christian Skofteland wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 08:13:43PM +0200, eckinator wrote:
Can't believe you did that. Hate to step on your or anyone's toes but
instead of taking responsibility you ripped them off and knew so.
No. I disagree. [...]
There are stories of
I'd point out again, that if Christian had received a defective camera
from Best Buy, they would not reimburse him for his time, or his
mileage to return it, but why not? It was a loss he incurred. Further,
if he went on a week long trip to Timbuktu, and lost all his photos or
opportunities
On 5/20/2010 7:19 PM, Tom C wrote:
Best Buy simply returns the item as defective, Canon refurbishes, and
yes somewhere, somehow, on this individual item profit is diminished,
but then again as you point out... maybe not since the pricing of the
item was in place before the camera was purchased
On 2010-05-20 10:46 , Tom C wrote:
I'd point out again, that if Christian had received a defective camera
from Best Buy, they would not reimburse him for his time, or his
mileage to return it, but why not?
few manufacturers offer a warranty for damages incurred from a defective
product; this
- Original Message -
From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Leica M9
I have to differ a bit with you on this Bill. Mostly agree. There are
customers who set out to rip off retailers. Those who purchase an item
for the time they need to use it and then return it, for example.
It was not Steve
[...]
Sears, as you know has made it a practice on their Craftsman
hand tools to replace items, no receipt, no questions asked,
regardless of how the item was abused. Do we pay for that
policy at the get go when purchasing a Craftsman hand tool?
Yes we do. But I, for one, like the idea
We have home contents insurance which covers computers and cameras etc.
When Stef poured tea over the keyboard of a brand new 13 MacBook (bless
him, the only time it's ever happened) the insurance company wrote a
cheque for 799 quid without question for a replacement. When I asked
what they wanted
One year someone bought a silver dinner service, used it over Christmas
That might explain that sign that I saw last year in Canadian Tire,
stating that Christmas ornaments can't be returned after Dec. 24...
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
[...]
Sears, as you
Of course all that stuff's stated in the warranty. It's how THEY get
out of REALLY taking responsibility for incidental damages, which are
as real as the product itself.
I may have posted this on the list before...
Was I dishonest or not?
When Circuit City was still around, they had a DVD
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