Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-10 Thread mike wilson
On 8 June 2010 18:29, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-06-08 10:28 , Bruce Dayton wrote: Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control? it has nothing to do with Apple -- if the school were using Windows it seems clear they'd have a similar policy; i've seen the same kind of

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread John Sessoms
This is probably going to be my last on Mac vs PC for now. I'm getting busy at school and barely have time to follow the list. There are about 70 students in my class, broken into three sections. Among the 70, there are maybe 10 who are over the age of 21. All the rest are right out of high

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: The network is also set up to be Mac only, to indoctrinate the kids properly from the beginning John, you're getting the idea ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
Isn't that the 'Apple' way? Tight control? -- Bruce Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 6:19:51 AM, you wrote: JS This is probably going to be my last on Mac vs PC for now. I'm getting JS busy at school and barely have time to follow the list. JS There are about 70 students in my class, broken into

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed: Isn't that the 'Apple' way? Tight control? Ridiculous! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil... -- Bruce Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 9:35:53 AM, you wrote: C On 8/6/10, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed: Isn't that the 'Apple' way? Tight control? C Ridiculous! C -- C Cheers, C Cotty C ___/\__ C || (O) | People, Places,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil... ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-08 10:28 , Bruce Dayton wrote: Isn't that the 'Apple' way? Tight control? it has nothing to do with Apple -- if the school were using Windows it seems clear they'd have a similar policy; i've seen the same kind of policy (for Windows and/or Mac) in various environments with

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
Seem to have touched a raw nerve. -- Bruce Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:29:04 AM, you wrote: sh On 2010-06-08 10:28 , Bruce Dayton wrote: Isn't that the 'Apple' way? Tight control? sh it has nothing to do with Apple -- if the school were using Windows it sh seems clear they'd have a similar

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-08 11:32 , Bruce Dayton wrote: Seem to have touched a raw nerve. eh? just wasn't a sensible comment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see it as sensible. -- Bruce Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:47:23 AM, you wrote: sh On 2010-06-08 11:32 , Bruce Dayton wrote: Seem to have touched a raw nerve. sh eh? just wasn't a sensible comment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-08 12:18 , Bruce Dayton wrote: If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see it as sensible. i see a forest of attitude through trees of poorly-aimed snark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
I bow to the Apple god who must always be vindicated. I'm done. -- Bruce Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:37:24 AM, you wrote: sh On 2010-06-08 12:18 , Bruce Dayton wrote: If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see it as sensible. sh i see a forest of attitude through

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread William Robb
-- From: steve harley Subject: Re: OT - Abobe Woes On 2010-06-08 12:18 , Bruce Dayton wrote: If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see it as sensible. i see a forest of attitude through trees of poorly-aimed snark

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/8/2010 12:28 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Isn't that the 'Apple' way? Tight control? /Strict/ control, (ask Cotty). -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier New;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-05 Thread Brian Walters
I've got nothing useful to add here but, as this thread seems to be running out of puff, I just thought I'd try to get it to stagger on a bit longer... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Fri,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-03 22:36 , John Sessoms wrote: None of the Mac gurus at school could figure out how to take a screen shot. those aren't gurus; you can tell them control-command-shift-3, or control-command-shift-4 to crop while taking; screenshot goes directly to clipboard; if you want a file,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Joseph McAllister On Jun 3, 2010, at 21:36 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola Based on my experience so far, it's easier to get the Windoze computer to do what *I* want it to do right out of the box That is not my experience. Windoze loads a lot of crap that I have

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/4 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: And not by osmosis, my friend, not by osmosis. :-) Certainly not. Especially if you consider what actually happens in osmosis; which is the passage of very small molecules across a passive membrane. In practice, only water molecules are small

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Give you another one. On Windoze, I can do a print screen and then paste the screen-shot into paint or Photoshop, crop to the part I want, save it as a jpeg and insert that jpeg into a Word (or Open Office Writer document as an illustration.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/4 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: Thank you for acknowledging my presence, Jostein! Did I hit anything? A 100% hit rate, I think. All messages threaded properly even in gmail. :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread David Mann
On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:38 PM, Cotty wrote: Strange as it may seem, there are plenty of people in the world who would like to use a computer for various tasks - say, accessing the internet, Skyping distant relatives, writing a letter to the bank - but who are not the least bit interested in

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 4, 2010, at 00:03 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/4 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: And not by osmosis, my friend, not by osmosis. :-) Certainly not. Especially if you consider what actually happens in osmosis; which is the passage of very small molecules across a passive membrane. In

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread mike wilson
On 4 June 2010 08:11, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:  If it isn't your cup of tea, go have a coffee instead.  You'll still get a caffeine hit, it just tastes different. At last! Something to Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/4 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: If you wish to flaunt your dictionary acumen by practically quoting it verbatim on me, save it. I looked it up before I wrote it, and decided it was too narrow a definition. I stand by mine in defiance! Sorry Joe. Used to teach aquaculture and

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/4 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Jun 3, 2010, at 04:40 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/3 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any real action.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Bob W
It is my opinion, however, that anyone who thinks they can go out and buy their first computer, plug it in and start using it without reading the manual(s), attending a class, joining a support group, and more, is woefully assuming they are superhuman, Windows or Mac. or they might not

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: don't know about elsewhere, but the U.S. monumentally botches driver education and testing; it considers a continuous massacre on the roads to be a necessity for preserving basic freedoms; little do the victims realize that they are martyrs for the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Bob W
Oh, and of course I will most likely run into a problem with Adobe's bitchy DRM on LR, but that's beside the point just now, right? We're pretty much in agreement that Adobe would be well off doing something about that. Let's just assume the shop can fix that one for me. What say you? I

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/4 Bob W p...@web-options.com: There are more people out there than you might realise who haven't a clue, and don't care. And why should they? The computers should work more like the TV and the toaster, and so should the systems that we IT people make them use. And marketing try to tote

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/4 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I don't think you'd have much trouble with Adobe on LR. I originally bought v1 for my 32-bit Windows XP and have just installed LR it on the new 64-bit W7 box from the same installation media - now v2 - followed by all the upgrades online. The original

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Bob W
I don't think you'd have much trouble with Adobe on LR. I originally bought v1 for my 32-bit Windows XP and have just installed LR it on the new 64-bit W7 box from the same installation media - now v2 - followed by all the upgrades online. The original media also contain the Mac versions, so

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread paul stenquist
On Jun 4, 2010, at 2:23 AM, John Sessoms wrote: You can do a screen shot, a window shot, or a selected area shot of any proportion or size with a Mac, either through keyboard shortcuts, or using the included with the O/S little program called Grab. Can't show you here, because this

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread paul stenquist
On Jun 4, 2010, at 3:48 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Then one day shit happens, and the Mac is somehow beyond repair and/or retrieval. As a newbie I really don't know how to cope, so let's say I take my TM to the computer shop, and tell them I'll buy a new Mac from them on the condition that they

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-04 01:48 , AlunFoto wrote: Since I don't own a Mac, why would I have wasted money on a Time Machine? :-) But truth be told, I investigated the possiblilty of using a TM to back up my windows computers. really? Time Machine is software built into Mac OS X, you can't buy it

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-04 00:23 , John Sessoms wrote: However the software doesn't give me the choice of NO. It only gives me the choice to change the configuration so as to make the drive useless or to cancel. If this were Windoze software, there would be some way to turn the software off. i think this

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 4, 2010, at 10:57 , steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-04 01:48 , AlunFoto wrote: Since I don't own a Mac, why would I have wasted money on a Time Machine? :-) But truth be told, I investigated the possiblilty of using a TM to back up my windows computers. snip you seem have Time

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 4, 2010, at 00:37 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/4 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: If you wish to flaunt your dictionary acumen by practically quoting it verbatim on me, save it. I looked it up before I wrote it, and decided it was too narrow a definition. I stand by mine in

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 4, 2010, at 11:10 , steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-04 00:23 , John Sessoms wrote: However the software doesn't give me the choice of NO. It only gives me the choice to change the configuration so as to make the drive useless or to cancel. If this were Windoze software, there would

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Cotty
On 2/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I've yet to see any of them to get an image to open in Photoshop on first try. Same problems I have ... Oops I clicked it and it's opened the wrong program. Close that one and drag it onto the Photoshop icon. Bizarre. Something drastically

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 03/06/2010, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a loud noise and move forward? Fortunately no license is required to operate a toaster. -- Rob Studdert

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 03/06/2010, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. And be forced to use a Mac for eternity I figure, dog help us. -- Rob Studdert (Digital

RE: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Bob W
OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. I'll be ok, I have a fire-retardant black polo-neck. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/6/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll be ok, I have a fire-retardant black polo-neck. Any true mac fan has the apple logo branded on his chest. Across a nipple. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread David Mann
On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:17 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-02 04:06 , David Mann wrote: For something that was created on a Mac, the system stores extra data that associates the file with the program that created it. this was true until 10.6 ... starting with Snow Leopard, the creator code

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/3/2010 11:05 AM, Cotty wrote: On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. See you there ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: Doesn't say a thing about the quality of the system, of course. But Apple will eventually find itself in trouble if they don't deliver to this group. They do. You can use your Mac (iMac, MacBook, Whatever) right out of the box. Just like you

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. Sometimes it really gives a better perspective being atheist. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/2 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: i think Apple attempts to address these needs with an appliance approach rather than study the user manual, practice, stress about it and maybe you'll get it right; i personally believe that simplicity is overrated, but i also see that Apple's (and

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/2 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for example Time Machine may not be the best solution for photographers; among other reasons, those who use Lightroom or Aperture may wind up storing versions of databases that store

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/6/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: For those who learn how, nothing is difficult. My gripe with this was that Apple seem to attract the users least likely to be bothered with just that. Such a trust in any computer system seems quite unhealthy to me. Strange as it may seem, there

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: That fact that Apple (seems to) attracts users least likely to be bothered with learning 'how' is far from a gripe - it is actually a big selling point, and indeed was such when the Mac was first launched. My comment was not about the quality of the _system_

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread paul stenquist
On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:18 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/2 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for example Time Machine may not be the best solution for photographers; among other reasons, those who use Lightroom or Aperture may wind

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any real action. It even backs up my encrypted files and enables restoration of them if they're lost or

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Brian Walters
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:15 -0400, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:18 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/2 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for example Time Machine may not be the best

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm: Hmmm. I somewhaty innocently started this thread so I dip in now and then to try to understand how it's managed to develop into such a monolith. The trouble is, now I have no idea at all what any of you are talking about.. No worries,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
So you admit that Mac worship is a religion? On 6/3/2010 12:35 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 19:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: This still cracks me up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWxC8ezE4Dk Every religion (W)(A) is filled with crackpots who deride other's in hopes you

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: I made a snide remark implying that Apple attract the most tecnologiacally ignorant users by marketing... Technologically, that would be. Fell under a spell, I guess... :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/3/2010 12:34 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 03/06/2010, Joseph McAllisterpentax...@mac.com wrote: God, the rigidity of the mind of one who is schooled in the way of Windows before seeing the true enlightened way of the Mac! OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/3/2010 4:55 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/3 Cottycotty...@mac.com: On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. Sometimes it really gives a better

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/3/2010 4:05 AM, Cotty wrote: On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. No they won't they /know/ they've served their time in hell. -- Cheers, Cotty

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Anthony Farr
On 3 June 2010 22:47, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. Well now you know. This guy already knew, and dressed appropriately: http://poorlydressed.com/2010/01/19/fashion-fail-think-different-but-not-that-different/ or

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/3/2010 9:03 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: On 3 June 2010 22:47, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. Well now you know. This guy already knew, and dressed appropriately:

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2010 2:01 AM, Cotty wrote: When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a loud noise and move forward? My understanding is that is more or less how Macs are sold. They just work --

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/3/2010 9:19 AM, William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2010 2:01 AM, Cotty wrote: When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a loud noise and move forward? My understanding is that is more or less

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2010 5:56 AM, AlunFoto wrote: I made a snide remark implying that Apple attract the most tecnologiacally ignorant users And I confirmed it with another snide remark. Don't forget about that -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2010 7:25 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: As you know, cars just work too. Interestingly enough, I had to take my truck back to the dealer during it's first rainstorm because I both couldn't get the windshield wipers to work and also couldn't figure it out from the little drawing in the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread P N Stenquist
On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:40 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/3 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any real action. It even backs up my encrypted files and

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 William Robb war...@gmail.com: And I confirmed it with another snide remark. Don't forget about that Certainly not. Credits are due. :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks Paul. It's the best testimony for Time machine I've seen so far. :-) Jostein 2010/6/3 P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:40 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/3 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Bruce Dayton
Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:15:18 AM, you wrote: C On 3/6/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll be ok, I have a fire-retardant black polo-neck. C Any true mac fan has the apple logo branded on his chest. Across a nipple. C -- C Cheers, C Cotty Wow! Mac fans have nipples? And I

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/3 Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com: Wow!  Mac fans have nipples?  And I thought they just had dual 'cores'...grin hehehe. Apple + nipples = napples? -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Paul Sorenson
There is no argument in the world that carries the hatred that a religious belief does. - Will Rogers On 6/3/2010 7:18 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: So you admit that Mac worship is a religion? On 6/3/2010 12:35 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 19:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: This

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-03 03:18 , AlunFoto wrote: Or are there any Mac users here who can stand up and guarantee that a Mac and a Time Machine will provide adequate backup of all user data straight out of the box. define adequate backup ... and just who would guarantee any backup without a high-priced

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-03 02:47 , AlunFoto wrote: The comparison to car driving crossed my mind too. Computers are becoming tools every bit as ubiquitous as cars. However, most societies require drivers to prove their skills by obtaining a license before they can legally drive out of that parking lot. Maybe

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread drd1135
I thought I'd check in and see how it was going. I mean, how bad could it be? I might never be able to use my iPod Touch again. -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:03:25 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Abobe

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 01:05 , Cotty wrote: On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke. All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke. Love it ! On the other hand, don't you think they've been in Hell long enough? Joseph

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 02:18 , AlunFoto wrote: Or are there any Mac users here who can stand up and guarantee that a Mac and a Time Machine will provide adequate backup of all user data straight out of the box. From reading that famous document, the manual, I'm not convinced. No one can

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2010 9:28 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On the other hand, don't you think they've been in Hell long enough? John has probably been in hell far longer than he would care to be. Seriously Joe, your beloved Macs don't work any better than a PC of equivalent component quality, and I

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 01/06/2010, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: .. I do get pissed off when, every time I open a .PDF file, I end up with a little taskbar notifier telling me there is an update available. I've tried to turn it off a couple of different ways, but it comes back. It's actually fairly well

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 03:08 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/3 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: That fact that Apple (seems to) attracts users least likely to be bothered with learning 'how' is far from a gripe - it is actually a big selling point, and indeed was such when the Mac was first launched. My

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 04:40 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/3 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any real action. It even backs up my encrypted files and

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Daniel J. Matyola Based on my experience so far, it's easier to get the Windoze computer to do what *I* want it to do right out of the box That is not my experience. Windoze loads a lot of crap that I have to get rid of, and it makes it difficult to load non-MS programs and make them

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 04:56 , AlunFoto wrote: Oh, and Joe McAllister has tried to win some branch of argument by message precision bombing, I think. Thank you for acknowledging my presence, Jostein! Did I hit anything? -- It's not that life is too short, it's that you're dead for so

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 05:18 , P. J. Alling wrote: So you admit that Mac worship is a religion? Not in the ecumenical sense, but yes. More of a fervor, I think. Like sports! Yankees and Red Sox. Manchester vs… vs… whoever they are versus in your neck of the planet. -- It's not that life is

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 3, 2010, at 21:36 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola Based on my experience so far, it's easier to get the Windoze computer to do what *I* want it to do right out of the box That is not my experience. Windoze loads a lot of crap that I have to get rid of, and it makes it

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 04/06/2010, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Suppose your first camera was ever was a K20D. You'd be screwed up for years trying to figure out how and why it worked on your own, without at least reading the entire manual twelve times over. An intelligent person would seek help

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 22:48 , P. J. Alling wrote: Some file systems don't use extensions, they associate programs and data using other methods. I don't know how Apple did it in the pre OS-X days, (I didn't care enough to actually learn), but Now I assume they use the Unix conventions. Mac OS X has

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/1 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that cameras, lenses or computers. In this respect, it will be the same for PC users and Mac users. Of course it should be the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread David Mann
On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:13 PM, William Robb wrote: Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user and an idiot. I mentioned something about file extensions and he didn't have a clue what I was talking

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 02/06/2010, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: My point is that Jostein's sample users in the south Atlantic appears to me to be only indicative of a bunch of people on a photo trip to the south atlantic, with few full-time professional photographers on board. Using a computer, be it a Mac or a

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods that would work without extensions that don't involve magic. There are also methods that DO involve magic.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-02 04:06 , David Mann wrote: For something that was created on a Mac, the system stores extra data that associates the file with the program that created it. this was true until 10.6 ... starting with Snow Leopard, the creator code associations are no longer respected by the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-02 03:32 , AlunFoto wrote: Besides, people use their computers for more purposes than just image storage/processing, and a little understanding really goes a long way. so might we expand László Moholy-Nagy's famous quote to say: The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of the

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/2/2010 7:27 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods that would work without extensions that don't involve magic. There are also methods

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 1, 2010, at 02:54 , steve harley wrote: On 2010-05-31 12:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more intellegent. which is why i didn't say i had disproved the assertion; just pointing out how fruitless my search for the study had been

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 1, 2010, at 04:44 , AlunFoto wrote: For example, one of the guys made a substantial (his word) income from printing fine art for other artists. He owned one of those giant Epsons, nine thousand something. I had to help him recover his LR catalogue twice, convert his emails to text-only,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 1, 2010, at 06:11 , William Robb wrote: With Mac, you are locked in to what Steve Jobs tells you to buy. Now I realize that he and Jesus Christ are one and the same to (apparently most) Mac users, but I still like the option of choice. Then for daddy God's sake, buy a Mac and use

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 1, 2010, at 06:27 , William Robb wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software would break under undisclosed

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