Quoting mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You can use your nose. Once it stops smelling like vinegar it
will be knackered. Or your nose will be 8-)))
With fixer in the area, the nose might indeed be done for.
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From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indeedy. I was referring to vinegar, the diluted form.
Oh I knew that :-)
The pure (glacial) stuff is interesting, it freezes at cold room
temperatures, even in Australia with a relatively mild Winter.
--
Peter
From: Peter Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/03/22 Tue AM 09:31:34 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: OT Stop bath
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From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indeedy. I was referring to vinegar, the diluted form.
Oh I knew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Theoretically, it's 16 degrees C.
That sound about right.
I was very suprised the first time I saw it.
--
Peter Williams
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: OT Stop bath
The whole point of a stop bath is to neutralize the development process
with an acidic environment in order to save the fixer. When I went to all
one shot development chemistry for film 22 years ago (more consistency
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT Stop bath
Rather wishing I'd known this several years ago, but oh well.
You would lose the indicator that typically comes in stop bath, but I'm
sure
there's a workaround for that, too. Those nice indicator strips, maybe
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From: Scott Loveless
Subject: OT Stop bath
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my
cart. The Camera Store says it must be shipped as a hazardous
material
On Mar 22, 2005, at 11:00 AM, William Robb wrote:
The whole point of a stop bath is to neutralize the development
process
with an acidic environment in order to save the fixer. When I went to
all
one shot development chemistry for film 22 years ago (more
consistency
that way), I dispensed with
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my
cart. The Camera Store says it must be shipped as a hazardous
material and will incur additional charges. Is this something new, or
I have I been out of the
I don't know what kind of shipping restrictions there might be on stop bath. I
just buy it at my local camera store. It's not very expensive. However, if
you're in a rural area, I suppose that could be a problem. If I run out of stop
bath, I just shorten my development time by about 10 seconds
I've been hearing about this for at least a year or so now, maybe two.
It's fascinating how the three stores are so different in they way they
treat the product.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Scott Loveless
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now.
Stop bath itself is made up of acetic acid, and an indicator to show
when it's depleted. It's usually shipped in concentrated form, so I
suppose it could be a bit hazardous if damaged/dropped. Not sure where
that line is drawn, though.
-Mat
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:44:04 -0500, Scott Loveless
From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 02:44:04 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT Stop bath
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my
cart. The Camera
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Emne: OT Stop bath
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my
cart. The Camera Store says it must be shipped as a hazardous
material
Having a CDL and a HazMat endorsement I can tell you that small quanities are
not legally considered hazardous. However, if someone can make a buck off of
our ignorance they will. FreeStyle Photo does not (at least did not) charge a
HazMat fee, but does ship via ground only. Or use white
On 21/3/05, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my
cart. The Camera Store says it must be shipped as a hazardous
material and will incur additional
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I don't know what kind of shipping restrictions there might be on stop
bath. I just buy it at my local camera store. It's not very expensive.
However, if you're in a rural area, I suppose that could be a problem. If I
run out of stop bath, I just shorten my
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:39:47 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not that I do bw developing at all these days, but I've been wondering since
back when I *did* do it -- as a point of interest, is there any variety of
vinegar pure enough to substitute or to prepare a substitute?
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I don't know what kind of shipping restrictions there might be on stop
bath. I just buy it at my local camera store. It's not very expensive.
However, if you're in a rural area, I suppose that could be a problem. If
I
run out of
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:07:48 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21/3/05, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my
cart. The Camera Store says it
Well it is an acid, which type are you getting. The most common is the
same as acidic acid which is only concentrated vinegar, the other I know
of is biodegradable citric acid based from Ilford. Maybe they'll ship
the latter and not the former?
Scott Loveless wrote:
Anybody know anything
Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:39:47 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not that I do bw developing at all these days, but I've been wondering
since
back when I *did* do it -- as a point of interest, is there any variety
of
vinegar
Scott Loveless wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 02:44:04 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT Stop bath
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
The whole point of a stop bath is to neutralize the development process
with an acidic environment in order to save the fixer. When I went to
all one shot development chemistry for film 22 years ago (more
consistency that way), I dispensed with it for film entirely.
The spirit vinegar works
Sure, go to any grocery store and get Pure white vinegar, it's just
acidic acid and water. Probably fewer containments than if
you mix your stop bath with tap water.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I don't know what kind of shipping restrictions there might be on stop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:39:47 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not that I do bw developing at all these days, but I've been wondering
since
back when I *did* do it -- as a point of interest, is
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:09:47 -0500, Peter J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simple white vinegar is usually 5% out of the bottle, you shouldn't
have to dilute it.
You are correct, sir. According to the MSDS from Kodak, indicator
stop is between 1-5% acetic acid when properly diluted. The
What's this, a filter for Photoshlop ? ;-)
Actually that's not a bad idea. Hours of meddling with a pic, trying to
get the best out of it, fussing with contrast, tweaking the colour - and
then, Stop Bath - the new filter for Photoshop - locks the thing solid
and prevents any more
A lot of this is rule of thumb engineering. Kodak is a repository of a
lot of early research, which they've been
refining for 100 years. I usually aim for about 3% myself.
Scott Loveless wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:09:47 -0500, Peter J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simple white
You would lose the indicator that typically comes in stop bath, but I'm sure
there's a workaround for that, too. Those nice indicator strips, maybe?
Vinegar is cheap. If not sure dump it.
I found my tongue worked well as a tester. One drop on the tongue then
spit. If not a quite vinegary
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
back when I *did* do it -- as a point of interest, is there any variety of
vinegar pure enough to substitute or to prepare a substitute? since it's
effectively the same chemical?
Glacial Aecetic acid is the concentrated acid (around 99% pure) commonly sold as
Quoting Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The most common is the same as acidic acid which is only concentrated
vinegar,
It'd be a funny sort of acid that wasn't acidic ;-)
You must mean acetic, which is the vinegar/stop bath kind.
Scott Loveless wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 02:44:04 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT Stop bath
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
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From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:44 AM
Subject: OT Stop bath
Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just
now
Quoting mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You can use your nose. Once it stops smelling like vinegar it
will be knackered. Or your nose will be 8-)))
When I bought my first bottle of Glacial Acetic Acid I undid the top and held it
under my nose and took a whiff to see if it really did smell
Damn spell checker...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The most common is the same as acidic acid which is only concentrated vinegar,
It'd be a funny sort of acid that wasn't acidic ;-)
You must mean acetic, which is the vinegar/stop bath kind.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: OT Stop bath
Really?!?!? How would one go about diluting it?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You can use your nose. Once it stops smelling like vinegar it
will be knackered. Or your nose will be 8-)))
When I bought my first bottle of Glacial Acetic Acid I undid the top and held it
under my nose and took a whiff to see
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