Hi!
You donate but then you do
not expect anything in return...
Rac Tsadaka...
If I am not mistaken there Judaic law has very specific rules about
that. For instance, one has to give to charity at least a very certain
part of their income...
Boris
P.S. Tsadaka in Hebrew means Charity which
Hi!
g Yes, I know many people who have a giving mentality. Quite a few of those are
g jews. And yes there are those with a give-me mentality, even to the point they
g are taking from the needy. Unfortunately, I know some of those also. The best
g kind of people, to my mind, are the ones who give
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:09:44 -0500, you wrote:
We all have our egos and our
outspoken moments, but I think personal attacks are out of place here.
Paul
Yep, you're right, no need to get personal, I apologize, to Shel, and
to and anyone who may have taken offense. I was responding to
perceived
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:50:01 -0800, you wrote:
... for a while.
I was reluctant to make this photo, as just clicking away at
some guy sitting there in despair is kind of a cheap shot,
but I saw a context, making him smaller in the scene,
shooting contre jour purtting him in shadow, with all the
Spoken like a true Texan ...
John Mustarde wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/handh.html
It brings forth my aversion impulse, if that means anything. I've
often wondered why people don't get arrested for theft of the shopping
carts... those things cost more than a good
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From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: PAW: Last one from San Francisco
Spoken like a true Texan ...
When every time one of those carts walks off your parking lot you
take a $700.00 or so loss, it makes you sit up and pay attention.
Would you be happy to have
Y'know, it doesn't bother me a bit ... and it seems to be OK
with quite a number of people here, too. Rarely, if ever,
do the police bother these poor, unfortunate people, and I
have never seen one hassled because they have a cart. Maybe
there's just a different sensibility towards this issue
Hi,
graywolf wrote:
Yes we should lock them up. The US already has more people per capita locked up
than any other civilized nation in the world. About 1/2 of them not guilty of
the crime they were convicted of. My own benefits, Social Security and
Assistance, come out to about $10,000 a
Hi!
Tom, Shel, et al, my observation even at my young age is that with
time tolerance levels seem to drop. At least so it seems where I am.
Tel Aviv second is getting shorter and shorter...
In Israel there are huge many people who live beneath minimal level of
income set by the state.
Yes, I've seen that here, too ... ;-((
Malcolm Smith wrote:
My local Waitrose supermarket has had to put
long poles with flags on the little kiddie sized
trolleys they have. Is it so that the children can
be easily seen in the stores, by the adults shopping?
No, it's because before they put
Unfortunately, the American penal system (actually, the penal system of the states,
there is no American penal system unless you count Federal prisons) doesn't dole out
anything like you've described.
mike wilson wrote:
If the US penal system is anything like the UK's that will entitle
them
It is a long standing Jewish tradition to give and not ask for or expect
anything in return. I have to chuckle when a number of my friends rush to
make year end contributions of junk and cheap food (food that THEY
wouldn't eat) in order to garner tax deductions. Yet the rest of the year
they are
Hi Boris,
You've got the general neighborhood right ...
I think people dislike the homeless and the poor because many are just a
few steps away from joining them on life's sidewalk. Or, maybe because
these unfortunate people get in the way at times, pose an eyesore to
the lovely, tree lined
It's a bit of a bone of contention here that those seen to be least
deserving (criminals) seem to get the best free medical treatment,
whereas those who really need it (homeless) often are the ones who find
it hardest.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Unfortunately, the American penal system (actually,
Well, unfortunately you can not talk about the US Penal System. It depends a lot
on the state. Ranges from federal system country clubs for naughty US Senators
(those are the places the news media like to show), to chain gang camps in the
south. It used to be claimed that the cheapest way to
Yes, I know many people who have a giving mentality. Quite a few of those are
jews. And yes there are those with a give-me mentality, even to the point they
are taking from the needy. Unfortunately, I know some of those also. The best
kind of people, to my mind, are the ones who give to those
Well said.
John
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:44:38 -0500, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, unfortunately you can not talk about the US Penal System. It
depends a lot on the state. Ranges from federal system country clubs for
naughty US Senators (those are the places the news media like to
They are often the same people at different stages in the process.
John
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:39:39 +, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It's a bit of a bone of contention here that those seen to be least
deserving (criminals) seem to get the best free medical treatment,
whereas those
Graywolf writes:
snip I've always have wondered about the intolerance
toward the poor that many have. snip
But in fact many of the poor work very, very hard. I
have known families where the old man works two full
time hard-labor jobs, and the old lady works full
time as well just to
this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW: Last one from San Francisco
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:50:01 -0800
... for a while.
I
Boris Liberman writes:
You donate but then you do
not expect anything in return...
Tsadaka...
yeah,
That's what that guy needs. Arrest him. That way he can go to jail
(because he won't have money to pay a fine), and have the crap beat out of
him. Or, because he has mental/emotional problems, he'll start a fight in
jail, and get further charged, and spend even more time there.
And,
Well, it's nice to know you've made a contribution to
society, John. That's admirable.
As for your comments about me ... well, you're entitled to
believe what you will. But maybe I should tell you that for
a while I was homeless, slept in my car, sometimes stayed
with a friend for a night or
Is it just me, or is anyone else struck by the irony that coincident with
the discussions about the destitute population in San Francisco and
elsewhere in the world, there's a parallel discussion thread going at PDLM
on 'What gear is on your lust list'? Try imagining, sometime, how you might
Nicely put, Shel.
Appropriate, too, truth be known.
I have a brother-in-law who had to /chose to/ live that way, once upon a
time, when he was attending undergraduate college in Santa Cruz.
Did he have to? Who knows.
He certainly did, I do know that.
I _can_ tell you, unless you've lived that
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From: Brian Dipert
Subject: Re: PAW: Last one from San Francisco
Is it just me, or is anyone else struck by the irony that
coincident with
the discussions about the destitute population in San Francisco and
elsewhere in the world, there's a parallel discussion
John,
Thanks for your post. I've been thinking about why I'm uncomfortable with
the homeless. I'm not looking down on them, and I'm not disdainful of their
poverty or situation.
What makes facing these people difficult is seeing them in a life situation
that is not good, but also knowing
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Subject: Re: PAW: Last one from San Francisco
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:54:49 -0800
Hi Frank ...
I've no compunctions about photographing street people
(how I dislike that term), but it's gotta be done a certain
way. Usually I've
... for a while.
I was reluctant to make this photo, as just clicking away at
some guy sitting there in despair is kind of a cheap shot,
but I saw a context, making him smaller in the scene,
shooting contre jour purtting him in shadow, with all the
people walking away from him, and the skinny
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