Paul Ewins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
200km might be a little restrictive if you are trying to shoot
motorsports :-)
I'm fortunate to have two first-class tracks within that range; Laguna
Seca and Sears Point.
Theoretically, 200km gives me Albert Park (F1), Phillip Island (MotoGP),
Sandown (V8
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-- The only thing it proves is that a lot of people are
-- shopping more for
-- best price than
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cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:07
and where
clients can be located much further away but you can do locally, or, how
much can you do in other fields?
Herb
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:07:38 +1030
(about 11,000 of which are transient and not permanent residents,
Emerald
has around 20,, my town, Clermont, has just under 3000. And
combined,
all of the other smaller towns would make around 5 or 6000
well, i figured 200km because that is as far as you want to drive on the day
of the shoot and then drive back afterwards. there's room for only so many
weddings total and so many wedding photographers. what i am leading toward,
of course, is what kind of work can you do doesn't involve
Tanya's got young kids.
Herb
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200km might be a little restrictive if you are trying to shoot motorsports
Peter Jordan wrote:
One thing never to do when talking with your customers is to
relating what you charge with what it costs you. They won't
recognise your cost structure and vastly underestimate your
costs.Say you go into a restaurant and query the £5 that they
are charging for French
graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
I am GETTING to a reply to all of these wonderful responses to this thread,
please don't think that I am being rude to you all, it is just that there
are SO MANY! lol. And they are all very detailed, so it is taking me some
Chris Brogden said:
. The best way to handle these
situations, IMO, is to let your potential clients know that no date is
booked until you have received the first deposit, usually 25-50% of the
total amount. No money, no booking. Period. No
Hi guys - I meant to comment on this when graywolf and frank raised it.
Where I am, it is standard practice to ask for money up front, and I have no
problem with that. If they balk at it, I usually just tell them that due to
me being such a small business, I don't have enough through-put with
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Tanya.
Hi Tan,
Seeing as everyone has put in there piece about your woes, I thought I
would just add a few words of cheap comfort, in the length that seems
appropriate for the thread:
Have a drink, everything will be fine. Have a drink, everything will
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Cotty, I honestly think that if one was given enough supply of drinks
they would be very dead by now. You know, having *that* many drinks in
sequence is a bad idea. I know, I know, some bodies are better suited
for drinks than some other bodies... But
And Cotty will be glad to pay for the liver transplant you will need next year . :)
Cotty wrote:
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Tanya.
Hi Tan,
Seeing as everyone has put in there piece about your woes, I thought I
would just add a few words of cheap comfort, in the length that seems
Cotty, I honestly think that if one was given enough supply of drinks
they would be very dead by now. You know, having *that* many drinks in
sequence is a bad idea. I know, I know, some bodies are better suited
for drinks than some other bodies... But still, I wonder if you could
just
This one time, at band camp, Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like a dash of water with my red cordial though...
Just a note, 'Red Cordial' is the name of the band I play in.
Kind regards
Kevin
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This one time, at band camp, Tanya Mayer Photography
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I like a dash of water with my red cordial though...
Just a note, 'Red Cordial
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Har! But yes, my friend you omitted to remember that I am a teatotaller!
I like a dash of water with my red cordial though...
I didn't forget. Hence the lots of coercion.
I was given a bottle of home-made sloe gin for Christmas by my Aussie
friends
one thing i have been wondering for a while, how many people live within
about 200km of you?
Herb
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:49 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/index.htm
Here's a link to this week's Washington Post Photography column by Frank
Van Ripper.
He's responding to another news story where Wedding photographers were
called one of the top ten overpaid professions.
See you later, gs
Jeez, George, I think I might print that out and include it in my
information pack that I send to my potential clients...
;-)
tan.
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From: George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:00 PM
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The only thing it proves is that a lot of people are shopping more for
best price than for best quality. It's always that way. You're going
to have to get used to that. Shoot what you can and let your reputation
grow. There is no substitute for word of mouth advertising. You will
begin to get
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From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just goes to
show that I am not worth as much as you all seem to think...
No, it just goes to show that some people won't be able to afford you.
That's ok, other people will.
Do you want to work for people
What this really says to me is:
A) You don't want clients like the first couple that mess you around and
don't care about your work only your price.
B) You understandably feel badly let down by the Kids Clothing lady.
This is a problem in all walks of life and for all professions when you
Tanya,
You know, I've stayed out of all of your threads, since I figured if you
didn't catch on to the idea of charging a proper amount for your work a
couple of years ago, you weren't going to catch on. But for some reason I
feel compelled to give you a little wake-up call.
Please understand
Doug has some excellent advice. I speak as a small businessman.
One who usually charged less than most others, in spite of my work being
better in most instances.
I've finally learned, way too late in the game.
If you lose customers because they refuse to pay a reasonable wage,
that's their loss.
To the delight of all Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this:
Hi Tan, bad day hunh?
You will get those, its part of life. The trick is to make the good ones
out-weigh the bad ones :)
Just goes to
show that I am not worth as much as you all seem to think...
I hate to play the
Tanya I feel for you - they might at least have done you on different days!
Don't get too depressed, it happens to all of us in business for ourselves
some time, and at least they didn't let you do the work first and then
refuse to pay, as has happened a couple of times to me (but only in twice in
Tanya,
I've read everything that's been posted, plus (or course) your 'histoire
triste'.
I don't want to repeat what's been said so far, but I'll likely cover a few
points that have been mentioned:
First of all, my commisserations to you. It was a tough day. Hopefully
you'll wake up
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 02:44:41 +1000, you wrote:
Hi all, well, it is 2.12am here and I am heading for bed after a long night
of invoicing, contracts, photoshopping files for ftp'ing etc.
I just wanted to tell you all about my rollercoaster of a day.
Just when I thought I might have been getting
not going to let any of you offer a second opinion.
Herb...
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From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:12 PM
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The only thing it proves is that a lot of people
I wrote a long reply, but before I sent it I read all the others. They are good
advice, especially Frank Theriault's. So I decided that I did not need to send a
another long one, but just mention somethings to think about.
If you are trying to run a business you need customers. The thing is if
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of Frank's reply was excellent but this really stood out for me:
I'm sure that she just loved the little arrangement she had with you.
It seems that you thought of her as almost a friend. She wasn't.
She was a business associate.
mark
Lots of John's comments are best applicable to corporate work, not consumer
sales. But his final comments below are very true. Just keep selling...
Regards, Bob S.
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But the way around the price shoppers may be to sell, sell sell...
Sell yourself, sell your portfolio,
Hey, you don't need to reply.
Just kind of think about what was said. One of the things to think about is that
most of the people who responded to your post have been there themselves. We
know it is a tough place to be, but if you want to turn your photography into a
viable business it is a
Wow! So much has already been said that is right on the mark that I almost
hesitate to reply, but I am in a very similar situation right now so I have
decided to pass on a few of my own observations.
Some time ago I got a call from a desperate mother of the bride who needed a
photographer for a
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