Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-15 Thread Amita Guha
Stay safe, Boris! Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-14 Thread frank theriault
On 7/13/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vic, This list is a special place. The level of civility is high for an internet group as is the desire to be genuinely helpful. snip snip We see the participants as other human beings and friends. Stick around for a while, the feeling

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
The PDML is a place where friends meet, and new friends are made. Yes, we bicker a lot, but mostly that is all it is. Long ago I compared this list to a friendly neighborhood bar where there are a lot of different conversations going on at different tables. One can move to another table if one

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
I have never thought of it that way, Bob. But you seem to have hit the nail on the head with that one. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob Sullivan wrote: fewer 13 year old egos

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yeah ... for the beer. Shel [Original Message] From: graywolf The PDML is a place where friends meet, and new friends are made. Yes, we bicker a lot, but mostly that is all it is. Long ago I compared this list to a friendly neighborhood bar where there are a lot of different

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
Yep, that is why there are so many beer threads on the list grin. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yeah ... for the beer. Shel [Original Message] From:

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-14 Thread brooksdj
Got that right. Dave Yeah ... for the beer. Shel [Original Message] From: graywolf The PDML is a place where friends meet, and new friends are made. Yes, we bicker a lot, but mostly that is all it is. Long ago I compared this list

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread Keith McGuinness
keith_w wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 7/12/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. I'd like to apologize for Cotty's apology. cheers, frank I'm sorry you said that... Given the circumstances, I think that these apologies are in poor taste.

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread Doug Franklin
Keith McGuinness wrote: Given the circumstances, I think that these apologies are in poor STOP THAT! STOP THAT! :-) Sorry, I don't know how to evoke a Graham Chapman accent in an email. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel I don't plan to be subjected to your inflammatory dialog anymore. You're a grossly intolerant person, in my opinion, and I will only suffer argument from rational persons. You're

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread keith_w
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel I don't plan to be subjected to your inflammatory dialog anymore. You're a grossly intolerant person, in my opinion, and I will only suffer argument from rational

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread frank theriault
On 7/13/06, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith McGuinness wrote: Given the circumstances, I think that these apologies are in poor STOP THAT! STOP THAT! :-) Sorry, I don't know how to evoke a Graham Chapman accent in an email. :-) All right, then, that's it. This whole

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread Toralf Lund
Bob Sullivan wrote: Don, You have to put your personal feelings aside. We expressed concern for a friend who's country was going to war. (And John, war is a descriptive term not a political statement.) I think I'll have to disagree with that. War is of course descriptive in one sense,

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Toralf, Thanks for a sensible comment. I agree that concern for this situation starts in the past... Regards, Bob S. On 7/13/06, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: Don, You have to put your personal feelings aside. We expressed concern for a friend who's country

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread Vic Mortelmans
Hi, Often I've been surprised how strong human feelings can be expressed in this group. People who have experienced something in their personal live, illness or happiness, death or new live, write a small message (off-topic, definitely!) and numbers of other PDML'ers respond with expressions

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Vic, This list is a special place. The level of civility is high for an internet group as is the desire to be genuinely helpful. The emotional intelligence is generally higher and more mature than in other groups - fewer 13 year old egos here. There are many participants who have read each

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Don Williams
Boris PDML is no place for that kind of post. There are people on this group who have absolutely opposite ideas (to yours) about what's right and what's wrong in Palestine and 'Israel.' Don Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Why do you admonish Boris for simply reporting the news, giving us a heads up, and expressing his sadness? He didn't make a political statement or take a position, he simply said that war was starting and suggested we look at the news. Boris, thank you for the heads up. I hadn't turned on

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread frank theriault
On 7/12/06, Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boris PDML is no place for that kind of post. There are people on this group who have absolutely opposite ideas (to yours) about what's right and what's wrong in Palestine and 'Israel.' Sorry, Don, but I disagree with you. I don't see anything

RE: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm sad about this too Boris. I don't feel it will be appropriate to say more than this here. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message-

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Carlos Royo
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news... It is very sad day today. Boris, I agree that it is really sad, although not more than the ongoing slaughter

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread pnstenquist
Boris merely related a news story. He didn't make a political comment. You did. Time to end the thread. Paul -- Original message -- From: Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris, I hope you, your wife, and daughter are out of rocket range. Be safe, Bob S. On 7/12/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news...

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Ah, a legend in his own mind... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those bastard Israelies, why cant they just try using a little honey instead of vinegar all the time? They starve those people, take their land, are racist towards them, buldoze their houses, and then they whine when they are attacked

RE: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I agree 100% with Godfrey. Carlos and this Urban Legend guy are stirring the pot. If we're going to keep politics out of this thread, then comments such as those made by Carlos and Urban need to be kept in check. BTW, I first learned of the 9/11 attack on the WTC towers on this list from a

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news... It is very sad day today. Boris, do what you have to, to stay safe. You have our blessings to get out of this

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread P. J. Alling
You're point? Ridicule is the way to go with trolls like this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignore this troll. He doesn't even sign his name. He's obviously just trying to incite the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those...snip

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread frank theriault
On 7/12/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news... It is very sad day today. Boris, I hope that for once peace wins. I hope that you

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
Don Williams wrote: Boris PDML is no place for that kind of post. There are people on this group who have absolutely opposite ideas (to yours) about what's right and what's wrong in Palestine and 'Israel.' Don Excuse me, Don, but it *IS* a place for it! What are we to do? Bury our heads,

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Oh, look, we can take him and his disposable e-mail address seriously now that he's made up a name for us! Peter, rest assured that if you have a camera question that none of us will help you with it. Thanks for trying to screw up our list. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Adam Maas
Ditto to Shel and Godfrey. Keep safe Boris. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: I agree 100% with Godfrey. Carlos and this Urban Legend guy are stirring the pot. If we're going to keep politics out of this thread, then comments such as those made by Carlos and Urban need to be kept in check.

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread pnstenquist
I think ridicule is fine. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're point? Ridicule is the way to go with trolls like this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignore this troll. He doesn't even sign his name. He's obviously just trying

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those bastard Israelies, why cant they just try using a little honey instead of vinegar all the time? They starve those people, take their land, That is _not_ their land, but that's got no place in this discussion. ...are racist towards them, buldoze their houses,

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread urbanlegend1031
No, blame Boris for screwing up the list. This type of thread only incites people to respond who do not agree with the politics one way or another. The timing of this is part of the politics. Why did Boris not create an OT thread when Israel invaded Gaza? If politicians in the US had the

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote: On 7/12/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news... It is very sad day today. Boris, I hope that

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread John Francis
Boris *did* take a position. He opined (and Godfrey agreed) that war is starting. This suggests that anything that happened before today was not an act of war. You may agree with this viewpoint - you may disagree. But the PDML is no place to discuss it, endorse it, or argue against it. On

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Don Williams
Okay stupid Keith you don't have to shout and I won't excuse you. I wrote what I did because I do care -- very much as it happens. I have friends in Israel and very good ones in Palestine and they have small grandchildren. I could see clearly where Boris' post would lead -- obviously you

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, blame Boris for screwing up the list. Gee, did Boris start the name-calling? Enjoy losing your ISP, by the way -- I'd start shopping now. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Don Williams
Clearly, Keith, you know nothing about the history of the land which now includes 'Israel' and Palestine. Better keep your mouth shut. Don keith_w wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those bastard Israelies, why cant they just try using a little honey instead of vinegar all the time? They

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
John Francis wrote: Boris *did* take a position. He opined (and Godfrey agreed) that war is starting. This suggests that anything that happened before today was not an act of war. You may agree with this viewpoint - you may disagree. But the PDML is no place to discuss it, endorse it,

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
Don Williams wrote: Okay stupid Keith you don't have to shout and I won't excuse you. I wrote what I did because I do care -- very much as it happens. I have friends in Israel and very good ones in Palestine and they have small grandchildren. I could see clearly where Boris' post would lead

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Peter Grove, Yeah right. Pops up from nowhere to post something outrageous, at a time of year when many of the populations in the northern hemisphere have too much time on their hands. :-) The hunt is on. Alter egos beware. :-) Jostein On 7/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Be careful, John. I still have many free slots in my personal persona non grata list. I've no aversion to adding you. Har! I take up three of them already. I'll try to lose some weight. Promise. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread gibikote
impossible to control. I agree with everyone here... time to end this thread. Sridhar (in India, safe) - Original Message - From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Norman Baugher
Keith, blow it out your ass and learn when to shut the f#$@ up. Norm From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Francis wrote: Boris *did* take a position. He opined (and Godfrey agreed) that war is starting. This suggests that anything that happened before today was not an act of war. You may

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Heard it on the radio, Boris. Sad indeed. Jostein On 7/12/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news... It is very sad day today. --

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
Don Williams wrote: Clearly, Keith, you know nothing about the history of the land which now includes 'Israel' and Palestine. Better keep your mouth shut. Don Clearly? Is that because I'm an American citizen, and as a result I certainly know nothing about Eastern Mediterranean history?

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
Norman Baugher wrote: Keith, blow it out your ass and learn when to shut the f#$@ up. Norm ;-) Plonk! keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
Jostein Øksne wrote: Be careful, John. I still have many free slots in my personal persona non grata list. I've no aversion to adding you. Har! I take up three of them already. Not on MY list you don't... I'll try to lose some weight. Promise. Yeah, right. I recognize THAT promise very

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Cotty
I'd just like to apologise for the war. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/7/06, gibikote, discombobulated, unleashed: just wished that we donot make statements regarding our political beleif/stance, as it could lead to someone making an opposing comment... and then it could become almost impossible to control. Mark! (surely into the Top Ten Hall of Fame??)

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
It is of course well-known that careless talk costs lives, but the full scale of the problem is not always appreciated. For example, at the very moment that Boris Liberman wrote the words 'sad indeed', a freak wormhole opened up in the fabrics of the Internet continuum, and brought his words far,

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread frank theriault
On 7/12/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. I'd like to apologize for Cotty's apology. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
Two words: procmail *rocks*. Kostas (if I don't get this message, it sure does. Be good, boys and girls and leave the subject unchanged, please) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote: On 7/12/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. I'd like to apologize for Cotty's apology. cheers, frank I'm sorry you said that... Ta, keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Don Williams
Very clearly -- you demonstrated your ignorance when you told the unknown poster that it was not their [the Palestinians] land. If you really knew anything about the history of that mess you'd not say such stupid things. And I won't make a filter for you.** I want to see how much of a fool you

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Don Williams
Cotty wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. At last! Here we have someone who really knows what he's talking about. Don -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread frank theriault
On 7/12/06, Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. At last! Here we have someone who really knows what he's talking about. Who, Cotty? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread P. J. Alling
As well you should, also... frank theriault wrote: On 7/12/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. I'd like to apologize for Cotty's apology. cheers, frank -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). --

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread P. J. Alling
As well you should... Cotty wrote: I'd just like to apologise for the war. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Jos from Holland
and many days for many Palestinians. Jos -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Godfrey DiGiorgi Verzonden: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:35 PM Aan: PDML Onderwerp: Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel Why do you admonish Boris

RE: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Jos from Holland
unfortunately he is right Jos -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:14 PM Aan: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Onderwerp: Re:Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel Ignore this

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/12/2006 9:09:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those bastard Israelies, why cant they just try using a little honey instead of vinegar all the time? They starve those people, take their land, are racist towards them, buldoze their houses, and then they

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Scott Loveless
On 7/12/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Today morning Hizballah guerillas attacked Israeli Northern borders. They also kidnapped two soldiers and killed several. Please look in the news... It is very sad day today. I hope you and your family remain safe. Your message

Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel

2006-07-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Don, You have to put your personal feelings aside. We expressed concern for a friend who's country was going to war. (And John, war is a descriptive term not a political statement.) We expressed concern for you and your wife when you described the sand company from hell, operating on your