Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
...and?
full frame is not a format name. It can be used as a format name only
if supplemented by
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
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Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
full frame is not a format name. It can be used as a format name only
if supplemented by information which frame ? In citation above it is
35mm, or 135, and the crop factor is relative to full frame of 135
format. It annoys me that you
On 1/3/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
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Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being
Of
Bronek Kozicki
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Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF
24x36mm, 35mm, 135 format, format frame.
jco
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Bronek Kozicki
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Your just arguing nomenclature.
The majority of people on this list can't afford the current MF/LF
digital bodies/backs, without selling their soul organs. So when
someone refers to full frame digital, it's generally understood that
they're talking 35mm full frame.
Cheers,
Dave
On 1/3/07,
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From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
He links to this http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/71055999 from his site
http://www.kenrockwell.com/gallery.htm
I can't work out whether he knows it is a joke at his
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From: Bronek Kozicki Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
full frame is not a format name.
I've always wondered what the crop factor was on my Pentax 6x7.
Does anyone know what full frame is on 120?
Note, I am not trying
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From: David Savage Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Your just arguing nomenclature.
He's not the only person on list who argues nomenclature. I'd even hazzard a
guess, without looking into my filtered emails, that I
Well, he certainly has an eye for color.
mike wilson wrote:
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Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead
frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
Let's not fight over words.
Tom C.
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:01:50 +
Digital
120 is a film size, not a format.
jco
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K10D
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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From: David Savage Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Your just arguing nomenclature.
He's not the only person on list who argues nomenclature. I'd even hazzard a
guess, without
Full frame would be Kodaks original format. would be 2 1/4 x 3 1/2
inches. They invented it.
William Robb wrote:
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From: Bronek Kozicki Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
full frame is not a format name
William Robb wrote:
I'd even hazzard a guess, without looking into my filtered emails,
that I know who he is arguing with..
Har!
(Just looked at the unread count in my own Deleted bin...)
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professional help).
mike wilson wrote:
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Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken
On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
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Cotty wrote:
On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
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On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
It appears to be a bit of a habit. ;-)
Tom C.
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On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
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Cotty wrote:
On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
Isn't he, though?
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This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
Isn't he, though?
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On 03/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
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From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
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From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
has anyone seen full frame camera
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
f4 L lens. At 17mm 40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
treatable in the RAW converter. I think this says more about the lens
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
images)
and how many from wide lenses ?
B.
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Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.
B.
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On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
f4 L lens. At 17mm 40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
treatable in the
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
images)
and how many from wide
On 1/3/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So I take it your not a fan aft the 35mm full frame DSLR concept.
I am not. Or maybe this whole Canon propaganda just started p**ng me off. I came
from 6x7 (Pentacon Six) and see nothing special in 135 format, except maybe
balance of speed and quality for
Hell, many Canon WA lenses, (all WA lenses on 35mm to some extent, but
Canon has some of the worst, and most expensive), were problematic on
film as far as vignetting was concerned. Why would they be better on
Digital? I think that Leica partly picked the 1.3x crop Kodak sensor
so their
I am fond of APS-C but not despising FF. I am just satisfied with the
current performance and compactness of gears of APS-C DSLR. And of course I
have no intention whatsoever to bring out some $3,000 for essentially
nothing more than just a camera. This might change if and when the
Listen to the new guy lecturing us.
Interesting but we've been over this umpteen thousand times. Most of
what you're saying is known to even the most technically obtuse on this
list.
Very good 35mm lenses work well on the Canon FF digital cameras. This
is testified to by the number of
P. J. Alling wrote:
Your arguments are known. Your conclusions are suspect, and your mother
dresses you funny.
she does not ;-P and I'm not going to argue with you other points, as
they might be true indeed. The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
discussion that could end up like
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.
B.
Close to APS-H actually. About as close to that as DX format is to APS-C.
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That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H (16:9) isn't even close. Geeze these numbers are
published everywhere.
Adam Maas wrote:
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too
On 03/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What they call blind test is rampant. They exhibit images taken by
various cameras including 5D (usually more than 5 images taken by different
cameras) and see if anyone can tell the difference. This of course is more
for an entertainment
Yes, but the size is similar.
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H (16:9) isn't even close. Geeze these numbers are
published everywhere.
Adam Maas wrote:
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
she does not ;-P and I'm not going to argue with you other points, as
they might be true indeed. The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
discussion that could end up like whinning when Pentax will finally
release full frame camera?!.
Width maybe, but height is, (well at the sizes we're considering), much
greater in the Kodak chip than in APS-H format.
Adam Maas wrote:
Yes, but the size is similar.
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
B.
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Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
...and?
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Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1 frames per second continuous he
informs us. What a guy!!
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1 frames per second continuous
I don't have to be cruel to or about Ken Rockwell, he has himself for that.
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for
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Sent: 02 January 2007 22:04
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Marina vs K10D
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell
On 03/01/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always thought of him as a kind of super-charged version of Ace
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be home for breakfast! Rimmer, with bigger
balls and a better tan.
That's ridiculously complimentary... for Ken ;-)
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On 1/2/07, Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1
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