Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: I shall have a look through that tomorrow - it looks fascinating. It's a classic dip into book. I must try to get an original copy; mine is a paperback of dubious quality that I suspect will not last much longer. The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient

RE: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread Bob W
It's a classic dip into book. I must try to get an original copy; mine is a paperback of dubious quality that I suspect will not last much longer. Déjà vu. I bought a copy of 'Steve McCurry' by Anthony Bannon yesterday. The bookseller went into a hymn of praise about the quality of

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: It's a classic dip into book. I must try to get an original copy; mine is a paperback of dubious quality that I suspect will not last much longer. Déjà vu. I bought a copy of 'Steve McCurry' by Anthony Bannon yesterday. The bookseller went into a hymn of praise about the

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient recipe books. It's very interesting to try them out. Are they available online? Googlus amicus tuus est. For anyone else interested: http://www.britishmuseum.co.uk/shops.asp?cat=101

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient recipe books. It's very interesting to try them out. Are they available online? Googlus amicus tuus est. Sample recipes: http://www.britishmuseum.co.uk/text.asp?page=recipe+1#R4

OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob W
: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Well something like them has been, but what I had in England wasn't even close, and I'm not a big fan of McDonnalds.

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
So are you going to the one across the street (Oxford St.?) from the Pret, or the one out by the round-a-bout? (Just remember, if there's time to lean, there's time to clean.) Regards, Bob S. On 7/16/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/7/05, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/7/05, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: So are you going to the one across the street (Oxford St.?) from the Pret, or the one out by the round-a-bout? Oh, there's a small one near the TV studio in Abingdon. The class of student they have in there beggars belief. I think one of them

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 06:12:42AM +0100, Cotty wrote: On 15/7/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Yes. Anyone who considers McDonalds to be the nadir of bad hamburgers has never

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread keithw
Shel Belinkoff wrote: LOL White Castle burgers were often called belly bombs . But what can you expect for an 8-cent burger (yes, that's what they cost at one time!) Shel Yeah, 8¢, but remember they were not much bigger than a 50¢ piece! More than once I got their 6 for a quarter, or

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Graywolf
White Tower hamburgers were better. Same size on a round bun (actually they were bigger (3 bites). 12 for a buck. But those were walk in fast food places for pedestrians (You stopped off after getting off the trolly and carried them the rest of the way home) When the last pedestrian died they

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread P. J. Alling
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2005 00:32 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Well something like them has been, but what I had in England wasn't even close, and I'm not a big fan of McDonnalds. -- When

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread mike wilson
good. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2005 00:32 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Well something like them has been, but what I had in England wasn't even

RE: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob W
I shall have a look through that tomorrow - it looks fascinating. The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient recipe books. It's very interesting to try them out. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You might like this:

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread pnstenquist
A number of upscale eateries, including one somewhat toney place in NY, the name of which I've forgotten, serve upscale versions of White Castle Burgers, or sliders as their commonly called. The combination of the sauted onions, thin burger, and pickle slice can be quite goood when prepared

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] those who are pissed eagles are safe either in armored cars, or in the middle of nowhere. pretty convenient. This is an error in logic commonly called a Hasty generalization (Secundum quid). Land Rovers are not (commonly) armored and mine is factory stock. I

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
ever been one? There's alot I haven't been. What's your pount? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update ever been one? mishka On 7/14/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
Believe what you want to believe. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update This one time, at band camp, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These effects (killing

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Ah... right... From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I fear as an Australian is not so much the Taliban, Al Queada etc it is America. Look at countries that have been allies of the USA in the past. They look rather bleak now when they were so well before being allied to the USofA[sic].

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Exactly what is it about what any other country allied with the USA which is really not their own responsibility and choice? Uhh Bob, you guys tie a lot of stuff together

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
of finance to French King Louis XIV - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update No one here is whining. We're mad as hell AND doing something about it - and we're not asking your permission - and we're never going to. Get used to it. Get ready

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede. McDonalds. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Freedom is not free and it's not a capital asset. Each generation must pay its price for liberty. We took the hit with Pearl Harbor and our merchant marine took the hit supplying Briton during WWII. We were aware that the consequences of stopping Hiro Hito and Hitler would be the taking of

RE: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob W
I wish I'd thought of that! -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede. McDonalds.

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread P. J. Alling
I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Cotty wrote: On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede. McDonalds. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

RE: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob W
: London Bombing update I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Cotty wrote: On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread P. J. Alling
. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2005 00:10 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Cotty wrote: On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
I think he's saying maybe McD's didn't make it worse. Regards, Bob... - The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing. -

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Mishka
: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update ever been one? mishka On 7/14/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear of colateral damage? Kenneth Waller

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Mishka
unfortunately, it's people who are very unhappy with the current situation who are paying the consequences. like in nyc, london and madrid. those who are pissed eagles are safe either in armored cars, or in the middle of nowhere. pretty convenient. mishka On 7/15/05, William Robb [EMAIL

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update that you better shut up, talking about collateral damage. mishka On 7/15/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ever been one? There's alot I haven't been. What's your pount? Kenneth Waller -Original Message

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Mishka
On 7/15/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that you better shut up, talking about collateral damage. Or what or you miay find it difficult to cope if (god forbid) someone close to you becomes one. i think this is a really lame euphemism for kids we killed and don't give a shit

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Sullivan
Cotty, Big Macs have been known to grow hair on your head... Regards, Bob S. On 7/15/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede. McDonalds. Cheers, Cotty

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Cotty, Big Macs have been known to grow hair on your head... Wasn't that one of the slogans early on? WW

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/7/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Yes. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/7/05, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Big Macs have been known to grow hair on your head... Just off to my job interview at the local McD's :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word terrorist is used to denote a person who chooses to instill terror in a noncombatant populous by destroying innocents such as children, students, and or a general population regardless of their populous. It's a

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
. - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update The word terrorist is used to denote a person who chooses to instill terror in a noncombatant

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
Hmm... So you are saying that the Americans chose to instill terror in the noncombatant Iraqi populous by targeting and destroying innocents such as children, students, and the general Iraqi population irrespective of their politics concerning Sadam's regime, and it was America's intention to

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kenneth Waller
Ever hear of colateral damage? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update This one time, at band camp, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word terrorist is used to denote

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
to French King Louis XIV From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ever hear of colateral damage? Kenneth Waller From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update This one time, at band camp, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kenneth Waller
innocents. Sorry, but in war things get broken and people are killed (sometimes innocent people). Sorry if my message wasn't clearly stated. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Ever hear of colateral damage? Thats when a suicide bomber kills 18 children to get the 3 servicemen he was after, right? William Robb

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update You're being obtuse, Willie. Try just saying what you think. I have too many friends of the American persuasion on list (you included, oh Bombastic one) to do that. More

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing. - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update You're

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
with the smallest possible amount of hissing. - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Ever hear of colateral damage

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kenneth Waller
others and doesn't mind killing himself in the process. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Mishka
ever been one? mishka On 7/14/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear of colateral damage? Kenneth Waller

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Damn, Willie! I'd only hate ya for 90 seconds. My attention span isn't any longer... What were we arguing about? Were we arguing? William Robb

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These effects (killing of noncombatants in Baghdad) were secondary to the intended action (ridding the country of Saddam government). All for a few drops of oil, unless you really believe the WMD story. I don't believe we,

RE: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Bob W
Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they weren't bombers, and weren't known to the authorities. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 July 2005 05:52 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: London

Re: Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread dagt
The pre-crime division hasn't been established yet... My understanding was that they managed to track them after the event. DagT fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Help me out here. If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they stopped before they blew up the trains and the

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread dagt
Depending on who writes the history books and dominant newspapers. DagT fra: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] emne: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters (or partisans, resistance, and so forth) has always been arbitrary. best

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Boris Liberman wrote: Shel, Help me out here. If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they stopped before they blew up the trains and the bus? That's simply because you cannot man every display connected to every CCTV camera 24/7. I do agree that in some

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread David Savage
I'm sure if the authorities had known what they had in there bags the would have. They were only small devices, easily concealable. Dave On 7/13/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help me out here. If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they stopped before they blew up the

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Tom Reese
Mishka wrote: how about bombing shit out of a city (say, dresden) with conventional bombs? how about shock and awe? why do we say, killing a few dozen on a bus (or a few hundred in a business tower) is terrorism, while killing same hundreds in an air strike is collateral damage? how about

Re: Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread mike wilson
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/13 Wed AM 09:06:49 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: London Bombing update - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:51 AM Subject: Re

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
nation they depend on for defense and almost everything else. It's easy to look down from the ivory tower when you have no burden to bear. Paul On Jul 12, 2005, at 11:59 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Graywolf Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Tom Reese
Paul Stenquist wrote: I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for what happens in the word. A country that is for all practical purposes a protectorate of the United States. A country that regularly

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread keithw
D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: Keith wrote: Mishka wrote: the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters (or partisans, resistance, and so forth) has always been arbitrary. best, mishka Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S.,

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread cbwaters
PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for what happens in the word

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Mishka
that's *exactly* what i meant. best, mishka On 7/13/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would say in Russian, One who pays, orders the music... I don't believe in randomness or arbitrarity in modern world... Again, like you said, this is just an observation, I am not trying to

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
But it's not out of line for Bill to suggest that the terrorist attacks are a reasoned response to UK and American policies? Nor is it out of line to tell Tom that he doesn't have a clue. My response was long overdue, but it's all I have to say. You won't hear any more from me. Paul On Jul 13,

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread keithw
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: keithw Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally everywhere! These people hate everyone

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
WAS Re: London Bombing update Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally everywhere! These people hate everyone. They are not partisans...think about it. They are mad dogs and deserve to be shot down like the animal

Re: Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no precogs. :-) I knew you were going to say that. Uhoh... Jostein

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems they were all British-born, and highly likely they all committed suicide. So sad that we live in world where a person is willing to sacrifice their own life for what they believe. I am not a sympathisor with any of these causes

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for what happens in the word. A country

Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update From: Graywolf Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family and friends just because they happened

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Cotty
BOYS Lets try and keep the peace around here. Cory, three Hail Mary's and an Our Father for you. This is the PDML, not the OTAML. I feel responsible because I posted an update on the London angle - please find your favourite news page for further updates. So that's a cat'o'nine tails for

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 12/7/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: Help me out here. If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they stopped before they blew up the trains and the bus? Apologies - they were tracked after the fact. Their movements were pinpointed in the reverse order. Cheers,

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they weren't bombers, and weren't known to the authorities. I have some more info. *Warning* grim details follow. It appears that at least one bomber had personal details about his

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't want to get involved in this argument can you guys please take it off list. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. Subject: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update A soldier attacks the enemy and the enemy's resources

Re: Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread mike wilson
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 12:59:40 GMT To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: London Bombing update On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they weren't bombers

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
That's just it Shel, no one knew they were special, before the killings. They were just four young men out having a good time. The authorities are tracking them in recordings after the fact. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Help me out here. If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC: RE: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Glenn, If I didn't know better, I'd think you might be a conservative. Hopefully Useful History: Even during WWII the US, in a legitimate moral war, used large-scale terror tactics 4 times (that I'm familiar with). Hiroshima, Nagasaki, fire-bombing Tokyo, and bombing the civilian target

Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread David Savage
On 7/13/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrom: NKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBG Date: 2005/07/13 Wed AM 03:25:23 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 12:32, William Robb wrote: We've seen what you do to countries that you consider a threat. or not

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread David Savage
: - Original Message - Wrom: GVCJVTLBXF Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family and friends just because they happened to be where ever they were at the time. Tom, you really haven't got

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! that's *exactly* what i meant. best, mishka Natural'no. V konce koncov u nas odin i tot zhe assembler :-). Translation: Naturally. After all we share the same assembly :-) Guys, Bill, Paul, et al, please take your very discussion off-list. Thanks. -- Boris

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Larry Levy
Cotty, in a feeling of mea culpa wrote: I feel responsible because I posted an update on the London angle - please find your favourite news page for further updates. Cotty, you didn't start anything. Your message was factual and informative to those of us who were following the event. I

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread keithw
mike wilson wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 12:59:40 GMT To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: London Bombing update On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they weren't

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Boris Liberman wrote: Shel, Help me out here. If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they stopped before they blew up the trains and the bus? That's simply because you cannot man every display connected to every CCTV camera 24/7.

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I don't want to get involved in this argument can you guys please take it off list. Hopefully, it's run it's course. William Robb

RE: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Bob W
. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 July 2005 14:00 To: pentax list Subject: Re: London Bombing update On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they weren't

RE: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Bob W
PROTECTED] Sent: 13 July 2005 11:14 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: London Bombing update I'm sure if the authorities had known what they had in there bags the would have. They were only small devices, easily concealable. Dave

RE: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Bob W
It does seem that congratulations on excellent Police work were a bit ahead of time. I was rather suspicious that such strong leads were being so obviously invesigated - the word scapegoat leapt unbidden into my head. With the forensic equivalent of day-glo signage it is

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread keithw
Bob W wrote: I spent a couple of weeks in Spain last year, after the Madrid bombings. I noticed that in the mainline stations such as Seville and Madrid Atocha they now x-ray people's bags before they are allowed onto the platform. I imagine we will see that in the UK very soon, at least for

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, keithw wrote: To xray people going on public transportation, busses and trains, presents a terrible logistics problem. Busses worse than trains. To do it with high density, fast moving tube passengers is well nigh impossible, unless the entire system is essentially

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm glad I'm not in forensic science. Why Bob, your analytical approach would stand you in good stead! http://www.deathsacre.com/ Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Anybody interested in how not to deal with terrorists would be well advised to look at the history of how we dealt with Irish terrorism here, and learn from our mistakes, as we have done. Believe me, we tried it all and it didn't work: imprisonment

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Kenneth Waller
And what's that supposed to mean? Just trying to be politically correct -- HAR Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: London Bombing update And what's that supposed to mean? -Original Message- From: Kenneth Waller [mailto

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
There's a very selective outrage about blowing up mosques, if only seems to be against the rules if an infidel blows one up, it seems to be alright if you're a Muslim, (at least to some, and if they are the one's doing the blowing up... Oh, well.) Chris Stoddart wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005,

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Bob Blakely
King Louis XIV - Original Message - From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Keith wrote: Mishka wrote: the difference between terrorists

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Doug Franklin
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:06:46 -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: The word terrorist is used to denote a person who chooses to instill terror in a noncombatant populous by destroying innocents such as children, students, and or a general population regardless of their populous. It's a function of

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread keithw
Cotty wrote: UK Police have now traced all four bombers - 3 of whom came from the West Yorkshire (Leeds) area. They all arrived by train from Leeds, and took underground and a bus journey, where they detonated their devices. All four bombers died in the attacks last Thursday in London (to be

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Cotty, Thanks for the update - I'm very impressed with the work they have done thus far. Hopefully they will be able to delve much deeper into this and find more information about the overall organization and planning to be able to thwart it in the future. Please keep us updated. --

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Joseph Tainter
Thanks, Cotty. Very impressive progress. Likely British-born? Quite disturbing. Joe

Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
CNN has reported that one man has been arrested in last week’s London terror bombings, and that one bomber likely died during the attacks, according to officials.

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