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Godfrey,
...(lack of artificial look also playing significant role)..
A digital camera can produce any look you want. It's all
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Which raw converter are you using?
J. C. O'Connell wrote
I'm able to
get a greater dynamic range than I can print.
Isn't that normal? Scanning Velvia is an education in that respect.
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Which raw converter are you using?
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Well, only 8 stops out of print film has got
to be a mistake
the shadows. Big difference.
jco
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Interesting, I would have
On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:53 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:
unfortunately, I can't agree completely. Some limitations are built-in
to system and you can't overcome them easily (Nyquist frequency,
pixels
arranged in [Bayer] matrix) and when they play together against you,
some artificial flavour to
Bill,
DSLR cameras are showing 10 stops or more of dynamic range, which is about 3
stops more than that of print film, probably 5 stops more range than slide
film.
IMHO there's only one definitive truth - film emulsions react to the
light in a different way than linear digital sensors.
Hi John,
Regarding the contrast, I already noted the
SCENE exceeeded the dynamic range of the camera,
there is nothing that can be done to fix that
other than to buy a better DSLR camera, if one even
exists in that regard.
I heard you can shot such scene few times with a different settings
On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:
Bill,
DSLR cameras are showing 10 stops or more of dynamic range, which
is about 3
stops more than that of print film, probably 5 stops more range
than slide
film.
IMHO there's only one definitive truth - film emulsions react to the
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From: Peter Lacus
Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
Bill,
DSLR cameras are showing 10 stops or more of dynamic range, which is
about 3
stops more than that of print film, probably 5 stops more range than
slide
film.
IMHO
Godfrey,
Even Kodak said there's not much usable IMAGE data in film much past
the 6000-8000 ppi scanning capability of todays high-end drum
scanners, Peter. There's more noise and grain data, of course, if
that's what you want to extract. Drum scanners of this order can
obtain more
I'd have to dig out my charts from when I was learning the Zone System, but
my recollection is that I was never able to get more than 9-10 stops out of
BW film without going to very exotic processing methods.
My experience working as a QC technician in the photo lab industry indicated
to
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Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
I'd have to dig out my charts from when I was learning the Zone System,
but
my recollection is that I was never able to get more than 9-10 stops out
of
BW film without going
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On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:
...(lack of artificial look also playing significant role)..
A digital camera can produce any look you want. It's all in the image
processing. And that's not something learned overnight. The more you
do, the better your results will be.
G
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smaller than color neg film.
jco
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ACR, not the newest version, I am using
with PS CS(1)
jco
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Godfrey,
...(lack of artificial look also playing significant role)..
A digital camera can produce any look you want. It's all in the image
processing. And that's not something learned overnight. The more you
do, the better your results will be.
unfortunately, I can't agree
John,
I may have oversharpened the first web sized attempt on
this but I didnt alter the levels on this shot
from the capture, it was already pegged from
full black to full white on the histogram as
captured (most likely due to the blazing highlights
in the chrome struts) and the limited
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John,
I may have oversharpened the first web sized attempt on
this but I didnt alter the levels
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John,
I may have oversharpened the first web sized attempt
What Bill said. Shooting RAW I find I have a very wide range over which
I can extract good detail.
Paul
On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:39 PM, William Robb wrote:
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From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
As someone pointed
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As someone pointed out to me, there's a halo on the right front tire.
That's generally the result of oversharpening, although I see nothing
else here to support that. In any
Small halos around the front, far tyre and the black ropes. Nothing
spectacular.
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It looks good on my
Hi David,
Is it just me or does that shot look over sharpened?
way oversharpened/too contrasty - that was my immediate opinion after
seeing the small picture. On the bigger one it's not so pronounced. But
it's really hard to say, JPEG compression plays its' role here among
other things.
Lacus
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Hi David,
Is it just me or does that shot look over sharpened?
way oversharpened/too contrasty - that was my immediate opinion after
seeing the small picture
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Hi again,
I may have oversharpened the first web sized attempt on
this but I didnt alter the levels on this shot
from the capture, it was already pegged from
full black to full white on the histogram as
captured (most likely due
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Hi David,
Is it just me or does that shot look over sharpened?
way oversharpened/too
I immediately thought of suckiness, Godfrey, when I have read the message.
Cool kit.
Boris
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
Godders, how are you getting along with such gaping focal length holes
in your inventory. I mean those between 14 and 20, 35 and 43 and 43 and
50?
Don't skimp, pick up a 16~45. ;-($)
Jack
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I immediately thought of suckiness, Godfrey, when I have
On Mar 4, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Godders, how are you getting along with such gaping focal length holes
in your inventory. I mean those between 14 and 20, 35 and 43 and 43
and
50?
Don't skimp, pick up a 16~45. ;-($)
Had one. Didn't like it. Sold it.
I have no problem with
skies :
http://www.jchriso.com/temp/17MMRMCTOKINASAMPLE1.jpg
jco
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On Mar 4, 2007
Have one..love it! LOL
I was putting you on as a way of salving my stinging jealously.
Jack
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On Mar 4, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Godders, how are you getting along with such gaping focal length
holes
in your inventory. I mean those
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JCOC On Mar 4, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Godders, how are you getting along with such gaping focal length holes
in your inventory. I mean those between 14 and 20, 35 and 43 and 43
and
50?
Don't skimp, pick up a 16~45. ;-($)
JCOC Had one. Didn't
On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Have one..love it! LOL
I was putting you on as a way of salving my stinging jealously.
I figured as much. ;-)
As you can see from this graph
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/FoVs-Pentax-DSLR.jpg
the spacings are wide but nicely distributed. Just
.
jco
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On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Have one..love it! LOL
I
6:28 PM
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That is a really big gap between
14 and 20 ( equiv. from 21 to 30mm on FF ).
lets see, to fill that gap between 14
and 20 evenly he would need a ~ 16.75mm
lens, and that would be easily found
Is it just me or does that shot look over sharpened?
Cheers,
Dave
On 3/5/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.jchriso.com/temp/17MMRMCTOKINASAMPLE1.jpg
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That looks quite promising and I hope I will get similar results with
the Tamron SP 17mm 3.5 on the K10D. Could you post a photo with the
Tamron too? thanks, Markus
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: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:40 PM
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Is it just me or does that shot look over sharpened?
Cheers,
Dave
On 3/5/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.jchriso.com/temp/17MMRMCTOKINASAMPLE1
It looks good on my monitor. Nice detail. No sharpening artifacts that
I can see.
Paul
On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:40 PM, David Savage wrote:
Is it just me or does that shot look over sharpened?
Cheers,
Dave
On 3/5/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Could be, this was one of the first days I used
the camera ( day before the superbowl ) and it wasn't shot RAW, it was
shot using jpeg, which
PM
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Could be, this was one of the first days I used
the camera ( day before the superbowl ) and it wasn't shot RAW, it was
shot using jpeg, which is a known flaw of the camera. I think my
processing
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Subject: RE: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
Could be, this was one of the first days I used
the camera ( day before the superbowl ) and it wasn't shot RAW, it was
shot using jpeg, which is a known flaw of the camera. I think my
processing is a little better now and I
On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
oh yeah, one other thing, I would never use such a wide lens
for something like this but the car was roped off and I had
to shoot from very close up right at the ropes to get the ropes
out of the foreground.
jco
Why wouldn't you use a
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On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
oh yeah, one other thing, I would
lol!
thanks juan!
G
On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:
Nice kit.
I see you need some gaffer tape, btw :)
j
On 3/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
larger:
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit-half.jpg
enjoy
Godfrey
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On 3/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
larger:
On 3/02/07 4:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
Thanks for sharing.
Just goes to show how delightedly
On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit-half.jpg
Would you look at that! You suck, too.
:-)
BTW, if anyone has any doubts about the effectiveness of the K10D's
image
The title works quite well here - excellent kit, I must say!
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Friday, March 2, 2007, 1:25:46 PM, you wrote:
GD Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
GD nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
GD
On 2/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
You've ruined the floor with your bloody Letraset
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On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Cotty wrote:
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
You've ruined the floor with your bloody Letraset
LOL!!
G
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Nice kit.
I see you need some gaffer tape, btw :)
j
On 3/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
larger:
On Mar 3, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Had a lot of product shots to do yesterday so while I was at it I
nabbed this one of the Pentax K10D and lenses ...
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-K10D-kit.jpg
I got to handle/play with a K10D for a few minutes today.
Maybe
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