Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-26 Thread Toralf Lund
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't it? I believe the distinction between medium and small format has been kept at least to a

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quibble on. Mark! A good day for it, apparently. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-26 Thread Thibouille
In fact this whole debate (whoever is right) has no point. Leica did name their new camera S2 because an S1 existed already. Of course they might have named it with any other letter than S... Everything has absolutely no importance (again, being right or not by nitpicking words, both sides). --

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G Well, let me re-phrase: *IST D, K10D do ... at least get closer than what is

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G Well, let me re-phrase: *IST D,

RE: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Bob W
lol And ... I visited my friends at the local commercial/high end photo outlet today as I hadn't been in to say hello for a couple of months. One of the owners is at Photokina, the other was at her desk. We spent a half hour talking about business and stuff. Sight and price

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Sight and price unseen, they've got 10-15 firm pre-orders for the Leica S2 already. So ... anyone cogitating that this is too expensive for pro photographers and would not sell, think again. Evidently, a lot of commercial photographers have been waiting for exactly

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Don't think I'll be one of the buyers though... Whether I'll be one of the buyers depends on where my photography goes. Right now, that's not my direction. But there's nothing to say that it won't be in a year or two. I don't like to put

RE: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Bob W
they will certainly have consulted a great many very serious photographers about the design and functionality of this camera. Remember how many M cameras they tested and gave away to people in Magnum over the years. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of the biggest names in photography had

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Toralf Lund
Mark Roberts wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Sight and price unseen, they've got 10-15 firm pre-orders for the Leica S2 already. So ... anyone cogitating that this is too expensive for pro photographers and would not sell, think again. Evidently, a lot of commercial photographers have been

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Leica never made a medium format film camera. So they have no name in

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Derby Chang
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Leica never made a medium format film camera. So they

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who would be made happy with the release of this

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Toralf Lund
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: From where I'm standing, Leica looks like much less of a name in the MF market than in 35mm, comparatively speaking. Meaning that Hasselblad seems at least as big. Leica never made a medium format film camera. So they

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more than a dozen of them. G On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Not true.

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Derby Chang
Somehow, I just knew you would quibble about it. OK, you are right D Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Digital cameras are not really medium format cameras, however, The term medium format is quite arbitrary in any case, isn't it? I believe the distinction between medium and small format has been kept at least to a certain degree in terms of

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Thibouille
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think it would be nice if Hoya/Pentax would get their collective arse moving on that front with the 645D. I'm sure they have business reasons for the delays to deal with, but there are a lot of Pentax MF users who

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more than a dozen of them. G But, it is, still,

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
LOL Just have to put a negative thought out there for your fellow PDMLer, eh? G On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Somehow, I just knew you would quibble about it. OK, you are right -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:24 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not really a Leica camera in the hand-held tradition, and no relation whatever to the S2. I remember seeing that once upon a time ... it is a technical camera. The gods only know whether they sold more

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:04 PM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/24 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ So you're talking about the 2 pictures of the 645D then ? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
ROTFL I think the L2 is visually pleasing in the same sense that the 67 was/is. It's simple and promises high functionality. I couldn't find any price. If you have to ask . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX:

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Sandy Harris
David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling through menus.

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Cotty wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ So you're talking about the 2 pictures of the 645D then ? ;-) lol I did say sept 22 not sept 23 ... although a 645D is good to see as well. ;-) G -- PDML

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread David Savage
2008/9/24 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:04 PM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/24 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:27 AM, David Savage wrote: You're the one who said you thought it looked nice :-) I guess simile and metaphor, connotations of an expression are not useful when speaking to the literal minded. Perhaps impressive is a closer fit to what I had in mind. Those lenses ..

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: I'd say in a correct design, you'd use menus only to set up the camera. During actual shooting, everything you need to do should be doable without taking the camera from your eye. Any Pentax digital do that? Or come close? Actually, the

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread John Sessoms
From: Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? I like buttons knobs. It means I don't

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-24 Thread Adam Maas
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: *IST D, K10D did ... at least got closer than the Leica does. How can you tell? It's just a prototype at present. G One solid enough to announce, and show around

impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2008 entry Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-23 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't the rest of them figure this out? -- Scott

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-23 Thread David Savage
2008/9/24 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch. Why the hell can't

Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

2008-09-23 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-) http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/ That most certainly is impressive. The part I like the mostest is the interface. 6 buttons, 2 knobs and a