From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/03/05 Mon PM 11:16:19 GMT
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Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Hello Pancho,
My understanding of the move by all camera manufacturers away from TTL
is that the reflectivity
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/03/05 Mon PM 11:16:19 GMT
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Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Hello Pancho,
My understanding of the move by all camera manufacturers away from TTL
Hi Bruce,
TTL works on my *istDS to my satisfaction, by now, with those old
flashes I have.
I have a flash meter and know how to use it, but I think this would not
be wedding proof, e.g. Setting a flash to auto is OK too, the K100D I
owned for a short ime even transmitted the f-stop to my Metz
My understanding, based on what was said by those who know the
details for real, is that there were technical difficulties in
implementing TTL flash metering with the image stabilization system
and obtaining consistent metering.
TTL flash metering with inconsistent results would be worse
TTL flash requires a second exposure sensor in the mirror box. P-TTL
does not. Pentax drops an unreliable feature and saves money. (P-TTL
is more or less a software enhancement as opposed to a physical feature.
In keeping with current trends most extra features seem to implemented
in
Pentax could have supported TTL only for SR switched off.
Henk
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Indeed
have supported TTL only for SR switched off.
Henk
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Indeed metering
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I agree but go explain to a lambda user that normal TTL works
when SR off but not on and PTTL always work. Pentax would get
flamed pretty quick
I use a non-dedicated auto flash and/or manual multi-flash setup with
a flash meter, or just look at a preview exposure with histogram. I
have not seen much benefit in using a TTL or even P-TTL flash at all.
Where having a P-TTL compatible flash is of some interest to me is
that they
My experience is somewhat similar, even though I do quite a bit of
flash photography at weddings and events. If I am just doing daylight
fill, then the AF360FGZ or AF540FGZ work very well as they can be
dialed for compensation and support hi speed synch. Basically just
dial in the amount of fill
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Sent: 05 March, 2007 8:17 AM
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Indeed metering on a sensor which is moving wouldn't be fun at all ;)
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Not sure what you mean by light modifiers and how they would be any
different when using something that reads a P-TTL pre-flash and
something that reads the flash at exposure time.
I've had several dedicated TTL flash systems in the past. They had an
advantage when doing macro work or using
Light modifiers are bounce cards, diffusers, umbrellas, light spheres,
etc. Where I could imagine the problem is that the pre-flash systems
only send out a very small pop to determine exposure. The situation
becomes somewhat like when you try to meter past the capability of the
meter - like old
I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons why Nikon started making its
own lighting modifiers(Diffuser, filters), especially the diffuser for
the SB-800. That way they could test the system with the modifiers in place.
If I'm doing anything more complicated than bounce umbrellas, I shoot in
Hmm. I'd have to see some evidence of problems, but I imagine that if
you're really diffusing the light a lot this could conceivably happen.
I don't see how the wedding photography could work with a preview ...
given that most of your shooting happens in very constrained, set
distances and
I'm not saying it does cause problems - haven't really tested it much.
I currently only have the 360FGZ for P-TTL and it is not powerful
enough to put much of a modifier on it.
I'd like to hear some more detail about what you mean about the way
you used to work. Are you just referring to working
Cory,
this is one point which really sucks in terms of backward compatibility.
TTL flash ability was one of the reasons to replace the K100D with an
*istDS, in spite of the silly name (other main reason was the finder).
I use it with my Metz 40MZ-2 (SCA 3000), Metz 32CT2 (SCA 300), and will
On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
... I'd like to hear some more detail about what you mean about the
way
you used to work. Are you just referring to working distances or
certain scenes or poses or what?
I always had either the Rolleiflex or the Nikon with 28mm and 85mm
Thanks for the additional information.
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Bruce
Monday, March 5, 2007, 3:04:18 PM, you wrote:
GD On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
... I'd like to hear some more detail about what you mean about the
way
you used to work. Are you just referring to working distances or
Hello Pancho,
My understanding of the move by all camera manufacturers away from TTL
is that the reflectivity of the sensor/filter in front of it, made it
problematic at best to read from that surface. Every manufacturer has
found it necessary to pre-flash and read to set proper exposure rather
Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
No, the LX had TTL flash in 1980, 3 years before the SuperA.
Teh SuperA
was the first consumer TTL body from Pentax.
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No, the LX had TTL flash in 1980, 3 years before the SuperA.
Teh
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Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
No, the LX had TTL flash in 1980, 3 years before the SuperA.
Teh SuperA
was the first consumer TTL body from Pentax.
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Sent: 03 March, 2007 4:33 PM
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No, the LX had TTL flash in 1980, 3 years before the SuperA.
Teh SuperA
was the first consumer TTL body from Pentax.
-Adam
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Henk, it has been said out loud in one of the interviews with Pentax
managers that Ken so generously translate to us - it was either support
for TTL or Shake Reduction. Reluctantly I have to agree with Pentax that
Shake Reduction is generally more appealing to more customers than TTL
support.
Indeed metering on a sensor which is moving wouldn't be fun at all ;)
2007/3/5, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Henk, it has been said out loud in one of the interviews with Pentax
managers that Ken so generously translate to us - it was either support
for TTL or Shake Reduction. Reluctantly
On 3/3/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
That's my main meal if the K1D ever surfaces, do you mind!
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Emne: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Correct. I think it cannot be used with any camera earlier then about 1990
(can't be bothered to look it up
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Emne: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:56:11 -0500
Analog TTL because of the way it works. Now I'm writing from memory so
please be cool with me ;)
Analog TTL: One of the contact from the hotshoe (yeah the second
contact introduced with TTL system) basicaly has two state: closed or
open. It remains closed all the time, bcomes open when flash must
: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Correct. I think it cannot be used with any camera earlier then about 1990
(can't be bothered to look it up...) other than in full belt manual.
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Date: 2007/03/02 Fri PM 01:20:27 GMT
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Correct. I think it cannot be used
John Francis wrote:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 12:13:11AM +, mike wilson wrote:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
I think Cotty might need a new hat ...
According to the manual that comes with the AF540FGZ it supports
TTL with the LX, 645 and Super
jim wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:56:11 -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
mike wilson wrote:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
Start eating, the FGZ's do all three types along with Auto thyristor
flash and manual, unlike the AF500 which only does digital and
mike wilson wrote:
jim wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:56:11 -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
mike wilson wrote:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
Start eating, the FGZ's do all three types along with Auto thyristor
flash and manual, unlike the AF500 which only
AFAIK, trailing curtain sync is a digital TTL feature.
2007/3/3, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
John Francis wrote:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 12:13:11AM +, mike wilson wrote:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
I think Cotty might need a new hat ...
From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 12:17:43 GMT
To: Pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net
Subject: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
After reading some posts a while back about the possibility of wrecking the
K10's flash circuit by using older flash units, I have
, Pentax's response
From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 12:17:43 GMT
To: Pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net
Subject: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
After reading some posts a while back about the possibility of wrecking
the
K10's flash circuit by using older flash units, I
Hi!
mike wilson wrote:
A pity that it is utter twaddle. My assumtion from those statements
is that the older flashes will not do the automatically set shutter
speed and give 'ready' indication in the viewfinder. What Pentax
calls dedication. If the body will trigger the flash in manual
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cbwaters wrote
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Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 10:12:21 GMT
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Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Hi!
mike wilson wrote:
A pity that it is utter twaddle. My assumtion from those statements
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cbwaters wrote:
The AF220T and AF280T flashes can definitely be used on the new K10D,
however it will only work in manual mode.
Now you know
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cbwaters wrote:
The AF220T and AF280T flashes can definitely be used on the new K10D,
however
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Subject: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
After reading some posts a while back about the possibility of wrecking the
K10's flash circuit by using older flash units, I have been reluctant to
mount my 280T or 200T to the camera.
I looked at the new
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cbwaters wrote:
The AF220T and AF280T flashes can definitely be used
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From: Thibouille
Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
AFAIK (but could be wrong) both 540FGZ and 360FGZ provide A mode and
dedication (so can be used on a P3/P30 for example) and analogTTL
(SuperA, 645, LX). So basicaly they work with anything
Stenquist
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:54 AM
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Subject: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Does the 280T have an auto mode like the 400T? If so, it can be used in
that mode, and it will probably function quite well. The 400T is quite
good in auto mode
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 11:20:44AM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote:
IMO Auto modes - especially programmet AE - never worked well with Pentax
cameras and a flash.
The camera will just set the shutter speed and aperture as if there was no
flash attatched!
That's exactly contrary to my experience with
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 12:14:56PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote:
Any dedicated flash can be used in ANY mode on the K10D. (Except they don't
do TTL with the K10D - no flash does TTL on K10D!).
There's is one exception though - flashes like the old AF500FTZ, that does
NOT feature Automatic
Thibouille wrote:
AFAIK (but could be wrong) both 540FGZ and 360FGZ provide A mode and
dedication (so can be used on a P3/P30 for example) and analogTTL
(SuperA, 645, LX). So basicaly they work with anything Pentax you can
put them on.
For the 360 FGZ I'm pretty sure.
Pentax has produced
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 12:13:11AM +, mike wilson wrote:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
I think Cotty might need a new hat ...
According to the manual that comes with the AF540FGZ it supports
TTL with the LX, 645 and Super Program (among others). I
mike wilson wrote:
Thibouille wrote:
AFAIK (but could be wrong) both 540FGZ and 360FGZ provide A mode and
dedication (so can be used on a P3/P30 for example) and analogTTL
(SuperA, 645, LX). So basicaly they work with anything Pentax you can
put them on.
For the 360 FGZ I'm pretty sure.
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:56:11 -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
mike wilson wrote:
I will eat Cotty's hat if any of the FGZ flashes do analogue TTL.
Start eating, the FGZ's do all three types along with Auto thyristor
flash and manual, unlike the AF500 which only does digital and manual.
Do hope it
After reading some posts a while back about the possibility of wrecking the
K10's flash circuit by using older flash units, I have been reluctant to
mount my 280T or 200T to the camera.
I looked at the new digital ready flashes online but I have really worn
thin the good graces of the Finance
Does the 280T have an auto mode like the 400T? If so, it can be used in
that mode, and it will probably function quite well. The 400T is quite
good in auto mode on the K10D.
Paul
On Mar 1, 2007, at 7:17 PM, cbwaters wrote:
After reading some posts a while back about the possibility of
Does the 280T have an auto mode like the 400T? If so, it can be used in
that mode, and it will probably function quite well. The 400T is quite
good in auto mode on the K10D.
Before I got my 540FGZ, I used a 280T for a couple years on my *istD. It
performs very well in auto (non-TTL) mode.
flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Does the 280T have an auto mode like the 400T? If so, it can be used in
that mode, and it will probably function quite well. The 400T is quite
good in auto mode on the K10D.
Paul
On Mar 1, 2007, at 7:17 PM, cbwaters wrote:
After reading some posts a while back
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Does the 280T have an auto mode like the 400T? If so, it can be used
Kind of a poorly worded response. The reality is that the 280T can be
used in it's automatic mode. You will need to set the camera to
manual mode, however. So set a shutter speed to x synch or slower and
set your f-stop to the flash setting. Set the flash to the ISO on
camera and one of the
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Emne: Re: older flashes with K10, Pentax's response
Kind of a poorly worded response. The reality is that the 280T can be
used
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