I wonder if photographing cliche subjects is akin to musicians playing the
standards. Just as I've lost track of how many pictures I've seen (or taken)
of sunsets, pretty flowers or waves crashing at the beach, I have no idea how
many times I've heard Summertime, St. James Infirmary, or fever.
On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:41 PM, John Mullan wrote:
I don't think that the $15 I spent on it was wasted, but the book would be
far more appropriate for most of the people on, for example, the DPR pentax
SLR forum, than the PDML.
I think you'll find there are more that fall into that
On 31/03/2011 01:20, Mark Roberts wrote:
Was featured on TOP a few days ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5lEMIf7_FM
And all from a grotty little web image. Makes you wonder why we bother.
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:51 -0500, Christine Aguila
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I'm at week 12, but didn't post weeks 9, 10, 11, 12 to the list. Not
great stuff, but despite being sick, I kept up. I did try for the
Perigee-Super-Moon (week 11). Darrel I went to Montrose Beach area.
The
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:24 +0200, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA21mm, 1/320s, f/7.1, ISO200
Excellent - with a very imaginative title.
Cheers
Brian
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:25 +0200, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
A sunny sunday and nice weather. A400/5.6 playtime:
http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/176
A nice duo.
Mr Finch (or whatever he is!) is the most appealing - beautifully
outlined against the sky.
Cheers
Brian
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:18 -0700, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Another from Paris. I love the combination of stone facades, wrought
iron balconies, and flowers.
Me too and the framing here is excellent. I like the wisps of smoke in
the sky too.
Cheers
Brian
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:25 +0300, Bulent Celasun
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... really!
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12879576size=md
I get my frozen fish at the supermarket
Thanks for posting - that's a scene I'm never likely to see in my part
of the world.
Cheers
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:59 -0700, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
wrote:
Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/
All rhodos camellias because
Hit 'send' too quickly
What I meant to say was if they're clichés, then a lot of my photography
is clichéd.
I really like nos 5, 6 and 7.
Cheers
Brian
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http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011
Late on this, but - a great gallery , with my favourites - #19 particularly,
superb light,
38 and 39 as well
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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As a chronic, incurable impulse-buyer, I bought a used Hasselblad to
K-mount adapter without thinking much about its use.
Now it is about to arrive and I find it difficult to find a good
project where I can use the adapter for something I cannot possibly
achieve with my Pentax stuff.
Please don't
I registered. I hope I can go.
Cory
On 4/1/2011 12:33 AM, Theodore Beilby wrote:
OK, so I got my registration in for this years GFM Nature Photography Weekend.
Who else? Hope somebody is going to come.
Ted
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I suspect you'll like the results from the Zeiss 80mm.
Would be a perfect portrait lens.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12904777
B
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how so? you mean their boneless rubber chickens may no longer be vegan?
2011/4/1 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12904777
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vegans won't be able to use plastics made from feathers. This may not be
easy to identify.
B
how so? you mean their boneless rubber chickens may no longer be vegan?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12904777
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The bottom line is that more films *are* going the way of the dodo and
we can expect that to continue. My friends at the George Eastman House
get their information straight from Kodak and when I was there for the
platinum print workshop last fall they were lamenting about the film
discontinuations
I think you should have bought the adapter to fit Pentax glass on a
Hasselblad body. They you could have bought that $29000 digital body
and got a real bargain on the old K and M stuff from KEH.
I feel your pain. I am constantly tempted to fit some Leica glass on
the E-P1. Down that road lies
I like looking at pretty women.
How cliche.
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Look at it this way. Every year people plant flowers in their yard
because they enjoy seeing the flowers. Cliche implies a tiredness
with something familiar, and some things never get tired. I laughed
at Bill's comment about pretty women, but it's actually a perfect
example.
On Fri, Apr 1,
I can see it now. All the health food stores will be advertising
100% all natural vegan polyethylene.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
vegans won't be able to use plastics made from feathers. This may not be
easy to identify.
B
how so? you mean their
The bottom line is that more films *are* going the way of the dodo and
we can expect that to continue. My friends at the George Eastman House
get their information straight from Kodak and when I was there for the
platinum print workshop last fall they were lamenting about the film
discontinuations
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Theodore Beilby tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
OK, so I got my registration in for this years GFM Nature Photography Weekend.
Who else? Hope somebody is going to come.
Not in the cards this year. :-(
Sad to be missing it.
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Thanks, Brian. I have flirted with the idea for a picture a day for next
year--flirted with the idea, mind you! Cheers, Christine
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Hi Larry: My back up battery for the k7 is fully charged ready for use upon
arrival of the k-5! Cheers, Christine
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Subject: Re: K-5
On Mar 31,
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Theodore Beilby tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
OK, so I got my registration in for this years GFM Nature Photography Weekend.
Who else? Hope somebody is going to come.
Want to, but
Dave
Ted
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I don't think that the $15 I spent on it was wasted, but the book would be
far more appropriate for most of the people on, for example, the DPR pentax
SLR forum, than the PDML.
I join the sky is falling forums in 2007,
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Christine Aguila
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That empty chair makes me giggle, Dave! Cheers, Christine
Thanks
Dave
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I found the article written in 2009.:
http://www.stouffvilleonline.com/sfp/2009/06/rear-view-mirror/
Just a little local history on the house.
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Ted,
Lynn I are registered as of last night.
Cory,
I hope you can get away for that weekend.
We are looking forward to the trip from Chicago.
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Theodore Beilby tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
OK, so I got my registration in for this years GFM
Rick,
I've looked at these Balconies several times and have a problem.
At this time of day, the left building seems to throw a shadow on the
other in the lower left center.
My eye is drawn there as I try to resolve what is going on in those shadows.
I wish it was a clear picture of more
Ah, well. Shadows are one of the problems of golden hour light.
Wider framing included more distractions but not many more balconies.
That was also just about the only sun I saw in eight days in Paris.
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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Just got the fee for a photoclass, and another coming up soon.
So there might be one in my horizon too.
I just have to figure out what to do with a gigantic electricity bill first.
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2011/3/31 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Mar 31,
My job (pediatric oncologist) shows me lots of the pain and unfairness in life,
and the ugliness of the world is constantly on display in the news. Photography
helps me to slow down, and to look for and see the beauty in life and the world.
I made about 1400 exposures during my trip to Paris,
Rick,
Not that I didn't like the picture!
And that 'golden hour' light is very attractive.
You'll have to go back to Paris and catch this scene in the opposite
'golden hour' so the shadows disappear. :-)
(I really hate criticizing friend's pictures, but you're a full
grown adult, and I thought
You need reservations, I thought it was open seating...
On 3/27/2011 3:53 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 27/3/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
I'm not usually in the mood to argue religion. I believe you cannot
prove that god does/does not exist, and that the only way to find out
what
Bob,
I actually appreciate your comments very much. I'd like to see more such
friendly constructive criticism on the list.
Rick
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--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Rick,
Not that I didn't like the picture!
And that 'golden hour'
Photography, paintings, music, and the arts in general offer us a way
to move away from the uglyness in our everyday lives to something more
attractive. I don't mind seeing pretty cliches or seeing the joy in
Paul's grandaughter's eyes. It's a wonderful thing to share.
I remember Monet's many
Christine,
I thought the K-7 battery was just a little different in shape from the K-5's.
You're gonna like that camera! :-)
Meanwhile, back to the eagle cam in Decora, IA...
http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Christine Aguila
You could well be buying the real thing. Kodak, which in the past was
loath to sell their films in off brands, is now apparently packaging
some of their films for other brands. I think ARISTA Premium 400 was
re-branded TRI-X a couple of years ago. The exposure and development
times seemed
On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Christine,
I thought the K-7 battery was just a little different in shape from the K-5's.
They're identical.
You're gonna like that camera! :-)
Meanwhile, back to the eagle cam in Decora, IA...
http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles
Thanks Paul,
I'll have to give th K-7's battery a try in the K-5 !!
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Christine,
I thought the K-7 battery was just a little different in shape from
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
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I found the article written in 2009.:
http://www.stouffvilleonline.com/sfp/2009/06/rear-view-mirror/
Just a little local history on the house.
the author's mindset is as old as the house:
Ditto again!!
-p
On 3/31/2011 9:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Christine Aguila wrote:
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There's one thing I never do. I never consider whether or not
someone else might consider my choice of subject matter to be
Photographically, I am still struggling to rise to the level of cliche.
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Photographically, I am still
struggling to rise to the level of cliche.
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Just checked and it is now sold out.
Ted
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Thanks to Collin for launching this... but am still totally gonna
still-life some defenseless daisies.
Having said that, I was talking this over with a friend yesterday, and
realized that I do have one hidden agenda. It makes me especially
happy when I can publish a photo that surprises people.
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a shot I managed to capture while I was at the
Olympic Club in San Francisco -- probably my favorite shot of the
night. I was given permission by the folks hosting the event, as well
as the subject, to share it.
Non-lightbox version
Bob W wrote:
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David J Brooks
I found the article written in 2009.:
http://www.stouffvilleonline.com/sfp/2009/06/rear-view-mirror/
Just a little local history on the house.
the author's mindset is as old as the house:
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Ted,
Lynn I are registered as of last night.
Cory,
I hope you can get away for that weekend.
We are looking forward to the trip from Chicago.
Regards, Bob S.
So, who is bringing Cotty's phone number this year.??
I also thank Collin for the thought-provoking post. I think we know
what you mean by cliche images but I disagree with the concept
entirely. I think what you call cliche images might more readily be
called obvious beauty. Sunsets, flowers, cute babies, etc. They are
likely subjects that we all
On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Thanks Paul,
I'll have to give th K-7's battery a try in the K-5 !!
D-Li90
They both use the DBG4 battery grip, one would expect that they'd both use
batteries that were compatible with it.
30 years ago, I was a member of the Sprite Midget
On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a shot I managed to capture while I was at the Olympic
Club in San Francisco -- probably my favorite shot of the night. I was given
permission by the folks hosting the event, as well as the subject, to share
I wanted to, but my photography budget right now is small and reserved
for an impending purchase into a mirrorless system.
You read that correctly: I prefer spending my money on new camera
equipment rather than on travelling to places worth photographing.
You may flame me if it makes you feel
One of my new acquisitions - the F 85 soft - is held hostage in customs now.
Damn those heartless bastards. I know it's their job but still.. will end up
costing me way more than I ever wanted to pay for it.
Any comments on it while I wait with my wallet open?
kris
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On 4/1/2011 1:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a shot I managed to capture while I was at the Olympic
Club in San Francisco -- probably my favorite shot of the night. I was given
permission by the folks hosting the
Thanks to Collin for launching this... but am still totally gonna
still-life some defenseless daisies.
Go ahead.
Put 'em out of their misery! :-)
Sincerely,
Collin Brendemuehl
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I've never managed to get anything by them... have you?
2011/4/1 Krisjanis Linkevics krisjanis.linkev...@exigenservices.com:
One of my new acquisitions - the F 85 soft - is held hostage in customs now.
Damn those heartless bastards. I know it's their job but still.. will end up
costing me
I've never managed to get anything by them... have you?
Every once in a while. TNT and DHL always cause serious problems, EMS that
isn't routed through any of those usually passes through as if nobody cares.
The main problem I have with them (TNT/DHL) is that it takes so much time,
additional
I'll take the 'golden light' over shadows most of the time -
Kenneth Waller
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From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: PESO - Balconies
Ah, well. Shadows are one of the problems of golden hour light.
non-Pentax stuff
http://shop.ebay.com/dpconsult.com/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562
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Well said, Darren!
Several years ago, the owner a local gallery in which I had a number of images
hanging, ordered (with a smile) me to quit being so damned artsy and shoot a
sunset. Told him I've always considered sunsets a cheap shot and I was beyond
cliches.
One evening I ran into one that
I prefer spending my money on new camera
equipment rather than on travelling to places worth photographing.
Sounds like a MARK to me.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: GFM 2011
I
The moral of the story is cliche sells !
Kenneth Waller
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From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Why do you shoot?
Well said, Darren!
Several years ago, the owner a local gallery in which I had a number
Just because you don't have running water and electricity, doesn't mean
you don't have a phone.
On 4/1/2011 1:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
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David J Brooks
I found the article written in 2009.:
and we thought you were better than that.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to, but my photography budget right now is small and reserved
for an impending purchase into a mirrorless system.
You read that correctly: I prefer spending my money on new
As soon as Walt left, the skies cleared and the weather warmed up. I went out
last night, looked for the darkest patch of clear sky I could find and stayed
up way too late experimenting with the K-5 bracketing ISO, exposure and even
lenses to try to find out what combination works best for
On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
On 4/1/2011 1:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a shot I managed to capture while I was at the Olympic
Club in San Francisco -- probably my favorite shot of
I forgot to mention that I learned a few other things about the K-5 last night.
When it is doing the noise reduction dark field exposure, it displays a
countdown in the viewfinder until the exposure will be done. It may also
display a notice about the two second mirror up as well.
I've always
Those Zeiss pre-moisted lens cloths are a disgrace to the brand
name. I swear that they are pre-moistened with Pam cooking spray.
/mini-rant
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Those Zeiss pre-moisted lens cloths are a
On 1 April 2011 16:19, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
and we thought you were better than that.
I'm worse, Bob, much worse...
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On 01/04/2011 6:09 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I like looking at pretty women.
How cliche.
Some cliches surpass themselves.
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On 01/04/2011 9:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
And the pdml and it's members can be devious. Shooting side-by-side
with others can show you just how good your work could be. It can
inspire you to greater care and taking your effort to the next level.
I find shooting with Tom Cakalic does that
Do you mean cleavage? 8)
Jack
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Subject: Re: Why do you shoot?
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Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 4:51 PM
On 01/04/2011 6:09 AM, Steven
Nice capture.. a bit dark on my monitor but not by much
I also went and looked at your visit to Larry stuff... and liked this
a lot on the second time around...
also toe cormy and the gaudy flower... but this faux pre-columbian mask
was nice to see
Bill,
Mark Cassino was kinder to me.
I didn't feel like I was totally worthless,
but he showed me the potential for what was there.
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:53 PM, William Robb
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On 01/04/2011 9:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
And the pdml and it's
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:17 -0500, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a shot I managed to capture while I was at the
Olympic Club in San Francisco -- probably my favorite shot of the
night. I was given permission by the folks hosting the event, as well
mainly for you film shooters...
(1) 4 Tiffen filters with 58mm thread... ND 0.9 ND 0.6 4 point star
filter and a polarizer (not circular) in a leather carrying case.
Could you make me an offer for all or one of these?
also - this is on ebay
Tiffen step down rings 62 - 58 and 58- 55
On 4/1/2011 4:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Isn't that part of the job of a personal assistant? To fetch things?
If it is, she deserves a raise!
Did you happen to notice the ISO on that shot? Gawd, I love my K-x, and can't
imagine what a K-r or K-5 would've done in the same conditions.
I
On 4/1/2011 7:43 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Nice capture.. a bit dark on my monitor but not by much
I also went and looked at your visit to Larry stuff... and liked
this a lot on the second time around...
also toe cormy and the gaudy flower... but this faux pre-columbian
mask was nice
Thanks, Brian!
I'll give your suggestion a try, though I have to admit I'm still very
much a neophyte when it comes to photo editing. The best I can usually
do is some auto-leveling, maybe bumping contrast, and some noise
reduction -- and, of course, cropping. I have a really tough time
Apart from family shots, I do try to avoid clichés, but even then if the light
is
particularly striking, I will still go for it. For what I think is my 'real'
photography
(that's excluding the aforesaid family stuff!), my motivation falls into one of
several
sources: something catches my eye,
On 01/04/2011 7:04 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bill,
Mark Cassino was kinder to me.
I didn't feel like I was totally worthless,
but he showed me the potential for what was there.
Please don't misunderstand, Tom is very gracious about it.
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Inside (possible cliche alert!):
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868900size=lg
Ironwork on the door:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868901
(K7, FA 24-90)
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Do you remember the story from a few years ago about a picture-a-day project?
Guy went into the woods for 36 (?) days with one roll of film and shot just one
photo per day. No chimping, no do-overs, . . . That really intrigued me!
stan
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On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:53 AM,
Costs money to leave that mirror out. Be careful: those things will corrupt
you.
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From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 14:29:47
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I think many/most/all of my bird shots are cliche, or at least are attempts to
rise to that level. However. I was just reading the Forward to a new edition of
a Roger Tory Peterson Guide. The Forward by his son comments that RTP had the
talent to not only paint lovely pictures of robins, but to
This always happens --
I miss postings, then find them - then look at the rest of soemone
photos that they didn't PESO ...
I like your Paris series for the memories it brings... and prettiness..
but ... I REALLY love
this shot you called Elegance.
If it is a dark and stormy night and I take a photo of it, is that a
cliche? :-)
Late to the discussion but really, I don't think any subject in and of
itself is a cliche . It is the manner in which it is presented
that raises it above the ordinary when the person writing, painting,
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I've been getting quite few google alerts with sites talking about the
rumored pentax mirrorless camera. Here's one with pictures. cheers,
Christine
http://www.slashgear.com/first-pic-of-new-pentax-nc-mirrorless-camera-system-surfaces-01143853/
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