RE: Phone photos

[jcoyle]

Nice to see you back, Marco!
These are very nice shots.
I am constantly amazed at the quality coming out of the tiny lens and sensor on 
modern phones, I've used mine exclusively for on-line sales images, and to add 
to requests for a quote for renovations recently.


John in Brisbane


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> On Mar 23, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2023, at 4:03 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
>> 
>> For various reasons, I haven’t been doing any “serious" photography for 
>> quite a while now (although I do consistently lurk here). I think I’ve only 
>> taken my K-3 out a few times in the past few years, and then only for some 
>> practical purposes. However, seeing the conversation about the current state 
>> of phone photography, I thought I’d share a few phone photos I took this 
>> past weekend while we were visiting family up in Olympia WA. 
> 
> I will forever remember Olympia as where Mom had a 29 point hand when I was 
> playing cribbage with her.
> 
>> I usually only use the phone for grab shots to record things, but I thought 
>> I’d try some high contrast B These were all edited on the phone using 
>> Snapseed. I could definitely have refined them on the computer once I got 
>> home, but thought I’d leave them as they were as documentation of the 
>> in-phone  process.
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAwVC6
> 
> Aesthetically, those are very nice.  Technically, they’re very impressive for 
> a computer that you can hold in your hand.  Some of them seem noisier than 
> I’d expect, but that might be some “artificial grain” effect in the 
> processing.

Good eye. Yeah, on a few of them I was trying out the "add grain" function. 
Seemed like it might work with the high contrast aesthetic.

m



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Re: St. Patrick's Day in Berkeley

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>Most of the advances in phone cameras are in the field of computational 
>photography.  They’ll basically take a short video, then combine the photos, 
>throw a bunch of DSP at it etc.
>
>If the computational aspect could be applied to DSLR sized sensors the results 
>would be mindblowing.  

Have you seen this video? Kinda spooky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8giCWDcyE
 
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Re: Phone photos

[Marco Alpert]

> On Mar 23, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2023, at 4:03 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
>> 
>> For various reasons, I haven’t been doing any “serious" photography for 
>> quite a while now (although I do consistently lurk here). I think I’ve only 
>> taken my K-3 out a few times in the past few years, and then only for some 
>> practical purposes. However, seeing the conversation about the current state 
>> of phone photography, I thought I’d share a few phone photos I took this 
>> past weekend while we were visiting family up in Olympia WA. 
> 
> I will forever remember Olympia as where Mom had a 29 point hand when I was 
> playing cribbage with her.
> 
>> I usually only use the phone for grab shots to record things, but I thought 
>> I’d try some high contrast B These were all edited on the phone using 
>> Snapseed. I could definitely have refined them on the computer once I got 
>> home, but thought I’d leave them as they were as documentation of the 
>> in-phone  process.
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAwVC6
> 
> Aesthetically, those are very nice.  Technically, they’re very impressive for 
> a computer that you can hold in your hand.  Some of them seem noisier than 
> I’d expect, but that might be some “artificial grain” effect in the 
> processing.

Good eye. Yeah, on a few of them I was trying out the "add grain" function. 
Seemed like it might work with the high contrast aesthetic.

m



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>> up.)
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Re: Phone photos

[ann sanfedele]

These are fun.. you will not be surprised  to learn I particularly liked 
the two sign shots - even though one of them was intentionally funny ..
I often printed film shots at a high contrast  so these don't need any 
refining as far as I'm concerned


ann

On 3/23/2023 7:03 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

For various reasons, I haven’t been doing any “serious" photography for quite a 
while now (although I do consistently lurk here). I think I’ve only taken my K-3 out 
a few times in the past few years, and then only for some practical purposes. 
However, seeing the conversation about the current state of phone photography, I 
thought I’d share a few phone photos I took this past weekend while we were visiting 
family up in Olympia WA.

I usually only use the phone for grab shots to record things, but I thought I’d try 
some high contrast B These were all edited on the phone using Snapseed. I 
could definitely have refined them on the computer once I got home, but thought I’d 
leave them as they were as documentation of the in-phone  process.

https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAwVC6

(I haven’t used Flickr in about a decade, so hope I didn’t screw the link up.)

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Re: St. Patrick's Day in Berkeley

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 22, 2023, at 10:17 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 08:13:54AM +0200, Alan C wrote:
>> When I see 'phone shots like that, I wonder why we bother with cameras.
> 
> Quite.
> 
> As I mentioned, I was interested to compare modern technology to
> what I was able to do twenty+ years ago.
> 
> I managed to dig out one of the images from 2000.  This will have
> been taken on my PZ-1p.  I'm pretty sure I was using my A* 300/2.8,
> probably shooting 1600 ASA Fuji slide film.
> 
> After some playing around in PhotoShop, I came up with this:
> 
>
> 
> (for reference, here's the 2023 phone image again):
> 
>
> 
> I could improve the old image some more by smoothing out the blue
> speckles in the darkest parts, and losing a few unwanted highlights,
> but it doesn't look too bad.  The phone image is better, though.
> (And, in all fairness, the stage lighting is much better in 2023).

Those blue speckles puzzle me, because they look like the noise I got with my 
K-20 in low light situations.  I’m not sure how you got them off of a slide.



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Re: Phone photos

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 23, 2023, at 4:03 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
> 
> For various reasons, I haven’t been doing any “serious" photography for quite 
> a while now (although I do consistently lurk here). I think I’ve only taken 
> my K-3 out a few times in the past few years, and then only for some 
> practical purposes. However, seeing the conversation about the current state 
> of phone photography, I thought I’d share a few phone photos I took this past 
> weekend while we were visiting family up in Olympia WA. 

I will forever remember Olympia as where Mom had a 29 point hand when I was 
playing cribbage with her.

> 
> I usually only use the phone for grab shots to record things, but I thought 
> I’d try some high contrast B These were all edited on the phone using 
> Snapseed. I could definitely have refined them on the computer once I got 
> home, but thought I’d leave them as they were as documentation of the 
> in-phone  process.
> 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAwVC6

Aesthetically, those are very nice.  Technically, they’re very impressive for a 
computer that you can hold in your hand.  Some of them seem noisier than I’d 
expect, but that might be some “artificial grain” effect in the processing.

> 
> (I haven’t used Flickr in about a decade, so hope I didn’t screw the link up.)
> 
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Re: St. Patrick's Day in Berkeley

[John Sessoms]

A white balance adjustment would probably take out that green color cast 
too.


On 3/23/2023 1:17 AM, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 08:13:54AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

When I see 'phone shots like that, I wonder why we bother with cameras.


Quite.

As I mentioned, I was interested to compare modern technology to
what I was able to do twenty+ years ago.

I managed to dig out one of the images from 2000.  This will have
been taken on my PZ-1p.  I'm pretty sure I was using my A* 300/2.8,
probably shooting 1600 ASA Fuji slide film.

After some playing around in PhotoShop, I came up with this:

 

(for reference, here's the 2023 phone image again):

 

I could improve the old image some more by smoothing out the blue
speckles in the darkest parts, and losing a few unwanted highlights,
but it doesn't look too bad.  The phone image is better, though.
(And, in all fairness, the stage lighting is much better in 2023).


As to the question as to why we bother with cameras - in my case it
is because there are some things my current camera can do quite a bit
better than I can - things like keeping the driver of a fast-moving
car in focus, rather than focussing on some other part of the car.
It's also rather better than my phone at longer focal lengths ...
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Phone photos

[Marco Alpert]

For various reasons, I haven’t been doing any “serious" photography for quite a 
while now (although I do consistently lurk here). I think I’ve only taken my 
K-3 out a few times in the past few years, and then only for some practical 
purposes. However, seeing the conversation about the current state of phone 
photography, I thought I’d share a few phone photos I took this past weekend 
while we were visiting family up in Olympia WA. 

I usually only use the phone for grab shots to record things, but I thought I’d 
try some high contrast B These were all edited on the phone using Snapseed. 
I could definitely have refined them on the computer once I got home, but 
thought I’d leave them as they were as documentation of the in-phone  process.

https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAwVC6

(I haven’t used Flickr in about a decade, so hope I didn’t screw the link up.)

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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 23, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Well documented.

Thank you.

> You’re probably lucky it blocked a road. That creates urgency which public 
> utilities seem to need.

One advantage of living on Highway 9, the main thoroughfare of SLV is that 
repairs to the road, power, or comm are prioritized.  Unfortunately, there was 
so much damage to so many roads on Tuesday that I had many friends who couldn’t 
get home. Several towns were cut off. 

My neighbor (the one whose house caught the tree last week) called me Tuesday 
afternoon and said that he couldn’t get home.  They had stopped him just before 
the fallen tree, he tried to go around the other way, but those roads were 
closed due to fallen trees as well.  I told him about the trail from the road 
just before where the road block was to the bridge past our houses, and when he 
called to tell me that he was able to get home, I told my boss I was leaving 
work while I knew that I could still probably get home.

I parked my car at the church, just before the closure and discretely walked 
past the person watching the road closure. I figured that if I couldn’t get 
past on the road, I could do the trail, but it was dark, muddy and I didn’t 
have a good flashlight.  I’d gotten 10-20 yards past her when she called out at 
me and said I couldn’t go.  I said I lived just around the corner, and she said 
she’d walk me there.  

As I mentioned earlier, before taking photos I grabbed my hard hat and high-viz 
vest.  About the time I was finishing up, she had just walked someone past, 
came up to me and asked if I knew who was in charge.

 
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Paul Stenquist]

Well documented. You’re probably lucky it blocked a road. That creates urgency 
which public utilities seem to need.

Paul

> On Mar 23, 2023, at 5:50 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2023, at 2:41 PM, Comcast  wrote:
>> 
>> Ouch! Serious damage. That looks like a several day outage. Light candles! 
>> (Or curse the darkness.)
> 
> Surprisingly, it was only out for about 24 hours, unlike the tree the 
> previous Tuesday which caused it to be out for a few days, and then again 
> most of the following Sunday.
> 
> I apologize for doing bare minimum editing and processing, but here are my 
> photos of them working on the tree:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720306945165
> 
> 
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
 On Mar 23, 2023, at 5:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven’t had a chance to finish my GESO from Tuesday night, but someone 
>>> saw my house on the news. In the opening sequence you can see my van and 
>>> trailer in the background.
>>> 
>>> https://www.ksbw.com/article/traffic-jams-in-santa-cruz-mountains-from-falling-trees/43381711
>>> 
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

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> On Mar 23, 2023, at 2:41 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> Ouch! Serious damage. That looks like a several day outage. Light candles! 
> (Or curse the darkness.)

Surprisingly, it was only out for about 24 hours, unlike the tree the previous 
Tuesday which caused it to be out for a few days, and then again most of the 
following Sunday.

I apologize for doing bare minimum editing and processing, but here are my 
photos of them working on the tree:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720306945165


> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2023, at 5:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t had a chance to finish my GESO from Tuesday night, but someone 
>> saw my house on the news. In the opening sequence you can see my van and 
>> trailer in the background.
>> 
>> https://www.ksbw.com/article/traffic-jams-in-santa-cruz-mountains-from-falling-trees/43381711
>> 
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Comcast]

Ouch! Serious damage. That looks like a several day outage. Light candles! (Or 
curse the darkness.)

Paul

> On Mar 23, 2023, at 5:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t had a chance to finish my GESO from Tuesday night, but someone saw 
> my house on the news. In the opening sequence you can see my van and trailer 
> in the background.
> 
> https://www.ksbw.com/article/traffic-jams-in-santa-cruz-mountains-from-falling-trees/43381711
> 
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Larry Colen]

I haven’t had a chance to finish my GESO from Tuesday night, but someone saw my 
house on the news. In the opening sequence you can see my van and trailer in 
the background.

https://www.ksbw.com/article/traffic-jams-in-santa-cruz-mountains-from-falling-trees/43381711


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Re: St. Patrick's Day in Berkeley

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 23, 2023, at 11:21 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Yes, 'phone cameras do still have some limitations but do well enough in most 
> situations. The Kruger Park Sightings FB page is 90% 'phone stills & videos 
> and the quality is pretty good. One even sees reckless visitors leaning out 
> of car widows trying to take selfies with wild animals! A minority are to be 
> seen with cameras now - a dramatic change from 10 years ago.
> 
> Alan C

Most of the advances in phone cameras are in the field of computational 
photography.  They’ll basically take a short video, then combine the photos, 
throw a bunch of DSP at it etc.

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Re: St. Patrick's Day in Berkeley

[Alan C]

Yes, 'phone cameras do still have some limitations but do well enough in 
most situations. The Kruger Park Sightings FB page is 90% 'phone stills 
& videos and the quality is pretty good. One even sees reckless visitors 
leaning out of car widows trying to take selfies with wild animals! A 
minority are to be seen with cameras now - a dramatic change from 10 
years ago.


Alan C

On 23-Mar-23 07:17 AM, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 08:13:54AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

When I see 'phone shots like that, I wonder why we bother with cameras.

Quite.

As I mentioned, I was interested to compare modern technology to
what I was able to do twenty+ years ago.

I managed to dig out one of the images from 2000.  This will have
been taken on my PZ-1p.  I'm pretty sure I was using my A* 300/2.8,
probably shooting 1600 ASA Fuji slide film.

After some playing around in PhotoShop, I came up with this:

 

(for reference, here's the 2023 phone image again):

 

I could improve the old image some more by smoothing out the blue
speckles in the darkest parts, and losing a few unwanted highlights,
but it doesn't look too bad.  The phone image is better, though.
(And, in all fairness, the stage lighting is much better in 2023).


As to the question as to why we bother with cameras - in my case it
is because there are some things my current camera can do quite a bit
better than I can - things like keeping the driver of a fast-moving
car in focus, rather than focussing on some other part of the car.
It's also rather better than my phone at longer focal lengths ...
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SDM question

[collinb]

Just a question that came to mind ..

I recall the first 50mm SDM drive having lots of reliability problems.

Has that been fixed in later SDM-drive lenses?
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Re: PESOS: Portraits, no Pentax content

[collinb]

Well done.

Beauty dish is the best portrait lighting.

Too bad more people don’t use them.

Umbrellas (“lots of soft light”) is the most boring way to shoot.
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

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On March 23, 2023 5:24:43 AM PDT, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>what a nightmare... and it doesn't look like you are getting any relief too 
>soon.  at least you have a new toy.
>
>BTW, when I look at your photos from your phone Google shows me two of every 
>frame... maybe you playing with exposures with difference my eyes can't see ?  
>also, even though I'm in dark mode on Google when I go to the photos the 
>background is white.  Google sucks a lot sometimes

Thanks, that probably has something to do with my network being out, I might 
have added photos to the album twice without realizing it.

On the list of things that went wrong in the past month, it's pretty minor
>
>ann
>
>On 3/22/2023 11:23 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> Just with my phone
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cECzAWQ6rXMa6v2u9
>> 
>> 
>> On March 22, 2023 12:25:35 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:
 On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
 
 […]
 
 I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest 
 people are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where 
 they chewed you out for being a couple of hours previously.
>>> Hi-viz jackets make you invisible.
>>> 
>>> One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.
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Re: Pentax to make new film camera?

[mike wilson]

They just need to add an exclamation mark to that model for the perfect name...
> On 23/03/2023 10:54 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> https://petapixel.com/2023/03/22/pentax-is-considering-making-a-new-hand-winding-film-camera/
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[ann sanfedele]

what a nightmare... and it doesn't look like you are getting any relief 
too soon.  at least you have a new toy.


BTW, when I look at your photos from your phone Google shows me two of 
every frame... maybe you playing with exposures with difference my eyes 
can't see ?  also, even though I'm in dark mode on Google when I go to 
the photos the background is white.  Google sucks a lot sometimes


ann

On 3/22/2023 11:23 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

Just with my phone
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cECzAWQ6rXMa6v2u9


On March 22, 2023 12:25:35 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:

On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:

[…]

I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest people 
are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where they chewed 
you out for being a couple of hours previously.

Hi-viz jackets make you invisible.

One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.

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Pentax to make new film camera?

[Steve Cottrell]

https://petapixel.com/2023/03/22/pentax-is-considering-making-a-new-hand-winding-film-camera/

Cotty
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