Re: On topic but apropos of nothing really...
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather... Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car., is attributd to Will Shriner. He also said, I almost got a girl pregnant in high school. It's costing me a fortune to keep the rabbit on a life-support system. and Everything is drive-through. In California, they even have a burial service called Jump-In-The-Box. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0795407/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil_Shriner http://web.mac.com/wilshriner/ws/Welcome.html Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com -- I want to die peacfuly in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming like the passengers in his car... Anon, (AFAIK) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irony
YES Was and is! Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com The first bank of the United States was also a private institution. It was not run by the government. It's function was much like the federal reserve bank system. Yes it was federally chartered but so is the Fed. If it was unconstitutional then so is the Fed for the same reasons. From: Bob Blakely b...@blakely.com Under our system, the government has no rights, only powers, and only those granted to it by the Constitution. Hamilton's opinion may be interesting to discuss, however, the Constitution is more important than Hamilton. I've read our Constitution mant times and cannot find any part that would grant the Federal government the power to establish a bank. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html In fact, that's why we use the Federal Reserve (Bank). It's a private (as in non government) profit making corporation with a federal charter. From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com Hamilton probably wouldn't have thought so. From: Bob Blakely b...@blakely.com That wold be the unconstitutional bank, right. From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com Real Irony is putting the face of the president who destroyed the US' first central bank, setting the economy back 50 years, on the $20 dollar bill. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irony
Under our system, the government has no rights, only powers, and only those granted to it by the Constitution. Hamilton's opinion may be interesting to discuss, however, the Constitution is more important than Hamilton. I've read our Constitution mant times and cannot find any part that would grant the Federal government the power to establish a bank. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html In fact, that's why we use the Federal Reserve (Bank). It's a private (as in non government) profit making corporation with a federal charter. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Irony Hamilton probably wouldn't have thought so. -Original Message- From: Bob Blakely b...@blakely.com Sent: Jan 2, 2009 4:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Irony That wold be the unconstitutional bank, right. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com Real Irony is putting the face of the president who destroyed the US' first central bank, setting the economy back 50 years, on the $20 dollar bill. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irony
That wold be the unconstitutional bank, right. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com Real Irony is putting the face of the president who destroyed the US' first central bank, setting the economy back 50 years, on the $20 dollar bill. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 42
It isalso the answer to all things. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu That's how many photos we have submitted for the PDML photo book so far (I just uploaded my two contributions). That means we're about 40-50 percent of the way there. There's no set number, but we're probably going to limit it to a maximum of 120 pages and a minimum of 80, with half a dozen or so devoted to text (the 2008 quotes list and an introduction, etc.) Of course, we have another month to go for submissions, assuming it doesn't fill up sooner, but I still encourage everyone to get their entries in as soon as possible. http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Never buy from Amazon
Nah! I'm really a mild, very happy guy . A while back there was a time when I thought I was angry, but I was wrong. It was merely homicidal rage. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: keith_w keit...@dslextreme.com Bob Blakely wrote: 1.I don't give a flying f about discussing who you, I, or anyone else will or will not do business with unless they are cheating customers regarding photography related items. This is because: 2.This forum is no place for this post. You should find or start another forum where this topic is appropriate. 3.My bet is you don't like my attitude. Read tag line. Regards Bob... You're getting nastier, Bob. Like it or not, it's true. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Never buy from Amazon
Don't worry Subash. When an off-topic tirade is appropriate, I'll let you know. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:56:09 -0800 Bob Blakely b...@blakely.com wrote: 1.I don't give a flying f about discussing who you, I, or anyone else will or will not do business with unless they are cheating customers regarding photography related items. This is because: 2.This forum is no place for this post. You should find or start another forum where this topic is appropriate. 3.My bet is you don't like my attitude. Read tag line. 4. follow your own advice. IIRC it wasn't too long back that you held forth here on the merits (or lack of it) of the educational system where you live speaking for myself, i like the pdml exactly as it is, thank you... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Never buy from Amazon
1.I don't give a flying f about discussing who you, I, or anyone else will or will not do business with unless they are cheating customers regarding photography related items. This is because: 2.This forum is no place for this post. You should find or start another forum where this topic is appropriate. 3.My bet is you don't like my attitude. Read tag line. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: John Coyle jco...@powerup.com.au Not sure I understand your reaction here Bob. My email is based on a news report which suggest to me that Amazon is not an employer which treats it's employees in a reasonable manner. My reaction is to say that I will never assist them to stay in business by buying from them while this is the way they do business. I don't consider this to be a 'soft' response. And what on earth does it have to do with Christmas? From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Harden the F*** Up Mate! It's the xmas season and all hell breaks loose. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:20 PM, John Coyle jco...@powerup.com.au wrote: After reading this: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24798801-2703,00.html Amazon will never get another order from me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fw: Off List: Re: Bogen 3221 Tripod
Some guys have a thing for sheep. Some others have a thing for cormorants. AWK, AWK, AWK... Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com In my senior stupor, I missed the cormorant thing. What is the connection? Anyone? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: The CORRECT Chaw Anyone?
Thanks. I shot it for his expression. He thought I was going to take it away. He was right, but I replaced it with an acorn. He was even more facinated with that. Since I'm a hack, I can't really take any credit for antthing, but if one fires off enough shots, odds are you get one keeper. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I accidently picked up the wrong pic. The last one was my oldest son (California National Guard) his youngest Logan. It was my youngest that was wounded. http://Bob.Blakely.com/Logan__Chaw_2.jpg Now that makes sense to me! I knew I couldn't see any chaw in the other pic... That's a cute shot, and a tough exposure situation was very well handled. Love his facial expression. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: The CORRECT Chaw Anyone?
I accidently picked up the wrong pic. The last one was my oldest son (California National Guard) his youngest Logan. It was my youngest that was wounded. http://Bob.Blakely.com/Logan__Chaw_2.jpg Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Chaw Anyone?
http://Bob.Blakely.com/Mike__Logan_2.jpg Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Chaw Anyone?
That's an empty can of tobacco chaw (chew) that he found on the ground. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://Bob.Blakely.com/Mike__Logan_2.jpg Regards Bob... That's a wonderful photograph, but I don't get the title. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: California fires
The fire (Yorba Linda) came within 3.2 miles of my home, and within .2 miles of my buddy's home. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some good photos of the fires in CA here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/7731706.stm I particularly like #5, which confirms all our prejudices about Californians :o) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...
Nah. You're Canadian. If it's warm and if it ain't wet, just stay cozy. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely No, you may continue to wear your Months of the Year underwear. But they must be numbered by week as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...
No, you may continue to wear your Months of the Year underwear. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you saying I don't absolutely have to wear days-of-the-week underwear? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...
Well, we - as a nation - keep voting nannys into office. We have no one to blame but orselves. We have met the enemy and he is us! Walt Kelly, on a 1970 anti-pollution poster for Earth Day. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/10/safety.html I hate this stuff. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D and DA*16-50: What a combo!
It's my favorite walkin' around combo. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been sitting here this afternoon watching Run for Your Life, a documentary about Fred Lebow and the New York City Marathon, and printing photos of a parking lot for the Army Corps of Engineers. (I got the job of documenting this construction project and the first set of photos are essentially of that the site looks like before the start of work: An empty parking lot.) Not the most exciting photographs would be a gross understatement, but every time an fresh 8 x 10 comes out of the printer I'm just dazzled by the image quality. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Insurance Good News
You'll get yer best bang fer the buck with crack whores. Sorry, couldn't resist. Read the tag.. Regards, Bob Blakely -- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) from: The Big Sleep On Oct 6, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: [skip] Sell everything, and spend it all Y N on hookers? [skip] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Pentax needs....
That is (currently) their largest Pentax astronomy telescope. I suppose it could be a smc PENTAX M67 800mm F6.7 ED [IF] repackaged, but I hope not. Astronomy telescopes need only to perform at their best at infinity and (hopefully) wide open since that's all you get. Camera lenses, on the other hand, have to exhibit reasonably flat field, be reasonably rectilinear, and have reasonably low coma, etc. over a range of distances. Note: the gross optical formula for the Pentax 125 SDP - 5 f/6.4 APO Refractor is 4 elements in two groups. I couldn't find the formula for the smc PENTAX M67 800mm F6.7 ED [IF], but even if similar I'd still expect optical differences. Note that initial distribution is through OPT in Oceanside, CA. FYI 800 mm is perfect for prime focus imaging Andromeda with a K20D sized sensor. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well they have this: http://www.optcorp.com/productImage.aspx?pid=8730 Looks suspiciously like a modded 6x7 optic... :-) 2008/9/30 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... to add something like this to their lens line-up: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180294096815 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - sad celebrity passing
Geez Paul, I didn't know I was flaming. I certainly didn't intend to. I'm all alone here, and I just wanted to be conversational. Nevertheless, I'm sorry. It won't happen again. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was a joke, Bob. Didn't you read the part where I said, Do I really need a smiley. Guess I did. It was a sarcastic response to the outcry over Godders alert regarding copyright laws. Sheesh. Think before you flame. On Sep 28, 2008, at 1:38 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: C'mon there Paul. Lighten up. Ann courteously marked her post OT. That's good enough for me. If it were such a bother to me to have some OT posts (translation: posts that are not related to list business so by definition don't belong), it would be easy for me to set a filter to automatically dump them. You can do this too. Remember, no one gets pissy with you for not trimming those accumulated PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List message trailers. Threds about a celebrity have no place on a photography forum! :-)). Paul -- Original message -- From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't know this. One of my favorite actors. He always struck me as the kind of person who enjoyed his life and tried to follow what he believed. Was his last role Doc in Cars? ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/27/2008 5:54 PM I'm very sad about the passing of Paul Newman one of the very greatest of our film actors... Will boast that I saw him on TV in the 50's (when I was in the theatre) and made a point of telling my mate I was sure he was going to go far... I can't remember the show... a couple of years later - 1958 I believe, I saw him on stage on Broadway in Sweet Bird of Youth with Geraldine Page and Rip Torn. Our seats were in the balcony, but Newman's piercing blue eyes were like beacons all the way up to me. I may be a bit teary over it because it is compounded by the failing health of two of my good friends, making me more vulnerable - The only other time I got teared up over well-known performers passing were those I had actually known back in the day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - sad celebrity passing
C'mon there Paul. Lighten up. Ann courteously marked her post OT. That's good enough for me. If it were such a bother to me to have some OT posts (translation: posts that are not related to list business so by definition don't belong), it would be easy for me to set a filter to automatically dump them. You can do this too. Remember, no one gets pissy with you for not trimming those accumulated PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List message trailers. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Threds about a celebrity have no place on a photography forum! :-)). Paul -- Original message -- From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't know this. One of my favorite actors. He always struck me as the kind of person who enjoyed his life and tried to follow what he believed. Was his last role Doc in Cars? ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/27/2008 5:54 PM I'm very sad about the passing of Paul Newman one of the very greatest of our film actors... Will boast that I saw him on TV in the 50's (when I was in the theatre) and made a point of telling my mate I was sure he was going to go far... I can't remember the show... a couple of years later - 1958 I believe, I saw him on stage on Broadway in Sweet Bird of Youth with Geraldine Page and Rip Torn. Our seats were in the balcony, but Newman's piercing blue eyes were like beacons all the way up to me. I may be a bit teary over it because it is compounded by the failing health of two of my good friends, making me more vulnerable - The only other time I got teared up over well-known performers passing were those I had actually known back in the day. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Seriously OT - school system shenanigans in Pittsburgh
You have said it so much better than I have. Our children deserve to be treated with respect. Instead, our government lies to them regarding their performance. Lying to them and to their parents is disrespectful and ultimately more damaging to them because our government is (in effect) saying they are intellectually and/or morally deficient. After all, it's important to lie to them (our children) so that they will (perhaps) keep coming to class. What does this accomplish? Certainly not education! It does, however, keep them watched and occupied and (hopefully) out of trouble. This provides parents with false hope and little more than day-care for their adolescents. It provides the school with bodies so that they can keep their funding up to pay (essentially) day-care providers relabeled as teachers, administrators to manage them and the all important political power that comes with numbers and funds so that the bureaucracy can be maintained. Graduating illiterate youngsters only adds them to the roles of those who must be supported by the state, thus insuring an ever increasing ignorant, dependent electorate who will vote to support their dependence. A fellow walking down a city street noticed a man sitting on the sidewalk snapping his fingers. Seeing that the man had been doing this for some time, the fellow walked over to him and asked, Sir, why are you snapping your fingers so fervently? It keeps the tigers away., replied the man. But sir, this is New York City! There are no tigers here!, said the fellow. To this the man replied, Effective, isn't it. - Old joke, author unknown. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist That's all well in good in theory. But there are times when pragmatic decisions must be made. I taught ninth grade in a Chicago inner city high school. If I had taught the curriculum as provided by the board of education and failed anyone who didn't achieve 70%, NO ONE would have made it beyond ninth grace, and the school would have become non- functional. Sometimes you have to deal with the reality of the situation you're confronted with. My father taught at Scott Colleigiate here in Regina. For those who get McLean's magazine, Scott is in the heart of what polite society refers to as North Central Less polite people have some rather racist labels for it, but I digress. The school board fiddled with all sorts of strategies to keep kids in that school, everything from dropping programs that were considered Euro-Centric, and therefore culturally assimilative by the largely native community, putting in what they considered to be culturally friendly programs, dropping requirements so that students wouldn't have to live woth low marks and high expectations, putting a funded daycare into the school so that the student mothers could have their infant children close at hand, the list goes on. Pragmatic decisions indeed. At best, Scott has a 10% graduation rate, and this number hasn't changed significantly for many decades. I think that the less of a challenge you give, the less able people become to be challenged. I also think that it is an insult to any particular group, be they predomonantly black kids (correct me if I am wrong) in a Chicogo inner city school or native kids in a Regina inner city school to lower their educational standards below the median. Lower standards is telling them at an institutional level that they are less smart, less intelligent, and less able to cope in society, and then making truth out of it by graduating them without the skills required to become contributing members of mainstream society. We slap them in the face from the time they enter school, and then wonder why they are bitter young men and women 12 years later. The end result is high unemployment, more poverty, more crime, and more hopelessness. If you happen to live in a welfare state, the result is also higher taxes to support an unemployable group of illiterates, and a lot of ill will from the taxed group who work very hard to support a multi-generational life of leisure, as disfunctional parents beget disfunctional children in this sort of society. If you apply the same standards to the entire population, those that fail have at least failed honestly rather than passed dishonestly, and the ones who pass dishonestly generally end up in the same boat anyway, since they are not only less prepared for their post educational life, they have gone through their schooling having it drilled into them that they aren't smart enough to cope. Or perhaps it really is OK to graduate kids from grade 12 who can neither
Re: Seriously OT - school system shenanigans in Pittsburgh
1.The mandate of any school system, public or private, is to EDUCATE our children. 2.The level of education MUST be such that our children have what is necessary to compete in the REAL world. 3.It is NOT the job of ANY school system, public or private, to adjust the truth concerning student performance to meet some local curve chosen using rather dubious assumptions. The standard is the REAL world. 3.After the students graduate, they will automatically be judged: - in the community, - in their search for higher education, - in their school of higher education - if they can get in, - in their competition for employment, - in their performance on their job by a curve that represents not just their community, but the entire country and also the best of many other countries. 4.It's just not ethical to cheat students, their parents and their community out of a realistic assessment of their preparedness for adult life. 5.FYI, the REAL curve is often bimodal. The result of cheating students out of a real assessment of their preparedness for life is to fill the world with dependent fools. The just desert for those who cheat them and for those who abet in this process is to later be governed by the fools they've created. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Based on my ten years of experience teaching in inner city Chicago high schools, I'd say it's a realistic policy. Percentages alone mean nothing. The curriculum should be based on real needs, and the success ratio has to come close to resembling a bell curve. The alternative is little or no success for any student. It's a fact of life. Doesn't make me puke. Paul On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: OK, so this isn't photo related at all. Try not to puke. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08266/914029-298.stm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: way OT - school system shenanigans in Pittsburgh
Pretty much... Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like typical product of left wing nut jobs trying to make the children feel inclusive. Wait till they fail later in life, inclusivity will not be an option. Sure. [skipped] Then you can blame the left some more. 'Cause that's all the left is good for is blaming. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Seriously OT - school system shenanigans in Pittsburgh
Well, we disagree. It's clear that the solution that you were part of (and, apparently, still subscribe to) just (hopefully-maybe) keeps students in building, but to who's ultimate benefit? Not the students, they're still uneducated. They're still unprepared for life. Not our society, it's not getting it's young competent for adult life. Further, students know when what they're getting is crap. They'll never value crap! The school system philosophy you describe, regardless of the reasons or intentions, has abdicated it's responsibility which is to offer a competent and useful education to our young. If it doesn't, it's no more than very high priced day care for students who don't value education and have no reason to. Apparently, our public schools, having failed their first responsibility, have taken on some other responsibility that I, personally don't wish to pay for. I attended public elementary school in Rutland VT. and public high school in New York. In those days (I'm 61) my grade school was (apparently) excellent, as I, with only average grades, had no problem entering and competing at university for bachelors and advanced degrees. My children and all my grand children attend private school. I scraped and my children scrape to do this. We do this because your thinking is rampant in public school systems and would cheat them. Now, many - if not most - of the students you may be describing may not be blessed with parents who care, or if they do they can't afford to get out of school you describe. Well then, it's up to you, the education professional to at least not cheapen their education and waste our money in the process. Day care workers are cheaper than educators. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - That's all well in good in theory. But there are times when pragmatic decisions must be made. I taught ninth grade in a Chicago inner city high school. If I had taught the curriculum as provided by the board of education and failed anyone who didn't achieve 70%, NO ONE would have made it beyond ninth grace, and the school would have become non- functional. Sometimes you have to deal with the reality of the situation you're confronted with. Paul On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: 1.The mandate of any school system, public or private, is to EDUCATE our children. 2.The level of education MUST be such that our childrenhave what is necessary to compete in the REAL world. 3.It is NOT the job of ANY school system, public or private, to adjust the truth concerning student performance to meet some local curve chosen using rather dubious assumptions. The standard is the REAL world. 3.After the students graduate, they will automatically be - in the community, - in their search for higher education, - in their school of higher education - if they can get in, - in their competition for employment, - in their performance on their job by a curve that represents not just their community, but the entire country and also the best of many other countries. 4.It's just not ethical to cheat students, their parents and their community out of a realistic assessment of their preparedness for adult life. 5.FYI, the REAL curve is often bimodal. The result of cheating students out of a real assessment of their preparedness for life is to fill the world with dependent fools. The just desert for those who cheat them and for those who abet in this process is to later be governed by the fools they've created. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Based on my ten years of experience teaching in inner city Chicago high schools, I'd say it's a realistic policy. Percentages alone mean nothing. The curriculum should be based on real needs, and the success ratio has to come close to resembling a bell curve. The alternative is little or no success for any student. It's a fact of life. Doesn't make me puke. Paul On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: OK, so this isn't photo related at all. Try not to puke. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08266/914029-298.stm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Seriously OT - school system shenanigans in Pittsburgh
You're absolutely correct. One may be well educated, yet have no common sense. One may be well educated, but be immoral. One may squeek through high school due to any of a variety of reasons, yet do well with what was retained (like me). An education is a necessary tool. An education is non the only necessary tool. One may own the best of carpenter's tools and be skilled in using them, but have no lumber. One may have lumber, be skilled in carpentry, but have no tools. One may have carpenter's tools and lumber, but not be skilled. With all three, the house is built. To be successful, one must have: The appropriate education. Common sense. A decent morality. A modecum of bravery. The first is (generally - hopefully) taught in schools. The second is arrived at through trying, failure is often the teacher. The third is instilled (hopefully) by parents and moral peers. The forth comes from the capability of believing in something. This is spiritual and may perhaps be arrived at in a variety of ways. An education is only a part of the picture. I greatly value mine. From the way you talk, it would seem you - not so much. There's a lot to nitpick here. In fact, you can do it so much that the point is completely lost. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Seriously OT - school system shenanigans in Pittsburgh On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.The mandate of any school system, public or private, is to EDUCATE our children. 2.The level of education MUST be such that our children have what is necessary to compete in the REAL world. 3.It is NOT the job of ANY school system, public or private, to adjust the truth concerning student performance to meet some local curve chosen using rather dubious assumptions. The standard is the REAL world. 3.After the students graduate, they will automatically be judged: - in the community, - in their search for higher education, - in their school of higher education - if they can get in, - in their competition for employment, - in their performance on their job by a curve that represents not just their community, but the entire country and also the best of many other countries. 4.It's just not ethical to cheat students, their parents and their community out of a realistic assessment of their preparedness for adult life. 5.FYI, the REAL curve is often bimodal. The result of cheating students out of a real assessment of their preparedness for life is to fill the world with dependent fools. The just desert for those who cheat them and for those who abet in this process is to later be governed by the fools they've created. Do you really think that school prepares students for the real world? I've known idiots who still graduated with outstanding marks. I've known people who barely got through school (or didn't!) that have succeeded mightily in the real world. While real marks may in some way, in some cases, be predictors of performance in the workplace, the fact is that school grades or class ranking only give HR execs something to hang their hat on when their hireling fizzles: Hey, he was top of his class, great GPA, who knew he'd swindle the bank for millions? Please don't fire me, I covered my ass! cheers, frank the cynic -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Product Advice - Tripods
I've found that stiffness is good and it certainly helps in alleviating the effects of wind, mirror slap, shutter slap, touching the camera, etc., but nothing tames these problems like mass. The more lbs or kilos (if you prefer) the better. If you want the very best performance, I can't recommend low weight with extreme lenses. I use the strap and sling 'um over my shoulder - or I use one of my sons as a bearer. I use a Bogen (Manfrotto) 3258 most of the time. I also have a 3246, but it's not really stable enough for the really big lenses. Even at it's lowest position, I've had the the upper part of the legs vibrate making the whole tripod vibrate ever so slightly. This is not noticeable with the shorter lenses, but it's a problem with the big ones like the 1000 mm that are pushing the weight limit. Six little wood blocks one on each side of the upper part of each leg kills the vibration, but it's a pain and still not the best answer. I have a 20 lb. barbell weight that I fitted for a 3/8 socket using two steel disks and a cut down one inch bolt and nut drilled and tapped for 3/8. Sometimes I fit this to the 3/8 screw on the bottom of the center post. This takes care of the 67's mirror and curtain slap quite nicely. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi PDML, I need some input regarding the Induro Alloy Series, specifically the A-414. I've been using an old Bogen 3221W with everything but my A600 and a 3036 for the latter. I do nature photography mostly, and neither is well suited, weight-wise, to hauling any distance. Hence, I want something that is light and will handle even the A600. Most carbon-fiber offerings are well out of my price range, though I noted both the Feisol and Flashpoint CF items recommended here a couple of months ago. Those two are still a bit pricey, though not excessively so. There are a couple of other purchases on the near horizon, so I'm watching costs right now. Yesterday, I saw (and lifted) the Induro A-414, which was selling at a local store for $199.00. It claims to handle as much total weight as the 3036 hernia-maker, weighs only a couple of pounds more than the CF counterparts mentioned, and seems pretty sturdy and torsion-resistant (the A600 is long and has the mount at the back end). And it will fit in my checked luggage, a requirement. It looks like what I need, but I want to bounce the idea off of everyone here before I pull out my VISA and add to the household debt. I am grateful for any and all input. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Trading my PKA Dental Macro for a PKA 50/1.2?
Damn! I hope so! Who wants a devil-may-care, close enough for government work dentist! P.S. It's not respectful to say your dad was full of sh*t. Wash your mouth out with soap! Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [skip] And Derby, my dad was a dentist too. Fine folks but a little too anal retentive and precision/perfection oriented. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Sounds like a new HHGTTG added to the trilogy
All cult classics are overated... Folks who don't trim the crap from the bottom of their posts annoy me. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] I quite liked it. I just think it's over-rated. Bob From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Only people who don't like the book, don't like it grin Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:10:39 PM, you wrote: BW Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy. A much over-rated book. Behalf Of Christine Aguila Dave: I have no idea what HHGTTG stands for, Dave. Cheers, BW Christine From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just watching local news channel CP24, which has ticker stories running at the bottom of the screen. One said a children;s author, name i forget, i'm waiting for the ticker to come round again, is penning the next chapter in the HHGTTG series. Were's Doug when we need him.:-0 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Disturbing News
Samy's is a large outfit carrying top o' the line Nikon, Canon, Hasselblad, et., as well as all varieties of PS cameras. Further, they have a large web presence. They provide processing for professionals as well as equipment rental (lighting, cameras, backdrops, etc.) They are not Ritz. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Blakely wrote: I usually buy my gear from Samy's as they have a local store just down the road in Santa Ana. I stopped in to pick up another walking around bag and found that all the Pentax gear is now gone from their shelves. The have only left over stock. It's not that they don't want to sell Pentax. It's because they can't get a hold of any reps to deal with because Pentax USA has (as the folks at Samy's told me) let all their reps go. What the bloody hell is happening to Pentax (Hoya)? Are they rolling over? Are we eventually going to be left high and dry because someone, somewhere doesn't have the guts to market Pentax effectually? Move over Minolta, Konica users. If this keeps up we'll be joining you down memory lane. Old news: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/04/pentax-sky-offi.html The dealer may not have been entirely truthful to you about this being the *reason* they aren't carrying Pentax any longer, because several other camera makers have moved to this sales structure (that is, by type/size of retailer rather than by geographic location) some time ago. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Disturbing News
Samy's is very high volumn for top o' the line mid range equipment. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had noticed the same thing at a local retailer. Unfortunately it looks like Pentax may be abandoning low volume retailers. Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: I usually buy my gear from Samy's as they have a local store just down the road in Santa Ana. I stopped in to pick up another walking around bag and found that all the Pentax gear is now gone from their shelves. The have only left over stock. It's not that they don't want to sell Pentax. It's because they can't get a hold of any reps to deal with because Pentax USA has (as the folks at Samy's told me) let all their reps go. What the bloody hell is happening to Pentax (Hoya)? Are they rolling over? Are we eventually going to be left high and dry because someone, somewhere doesn't have the guts to market Pentax effectually? Move over Minolta, Konica users. If this keeps up we'll be joining you down memory lane. Old news: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/04/pentax-sky-offi.html The dealer may not have been entirely truthful to you about this being the *reason* they aren't carrying Pentax any longer, because several other camera makers have moved to this sales structure (that is, by type/size of retailer rather than by geographic location) some time ago. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Are we dead?
Yes. You were sucked into the ever expanding, all consuming black hole that was formed by the super collider. Report directly to your designated hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Go directly to your designated hell. If, on your next or subsequent turns you roll a Plank's constant, a new universe will be created and you will be returned to play. You must start at Go as an amoeba, land on Chance and receive an Evolve thumbs card to hold your new Asahiflex camera- assuming others have evolved thumbs and reinvented it. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Are we dead? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Infrared K20D (anyone)?
The filter pattern for Pentax (and most cameras) creates one pixel from four sensors, usually: RG GB After thinking about this for some time, I believe that the following pattern would be better for many who would like to explore photography at wavelengths other than visible. I propose the following pattern (or something similar): RG UB Where U is unfiltered - like astronomy camers. Internal camera software/firmware processing would select only the RGB for normal photography and various combinations for pseudo filtered BW photography - including IR UV! The internal software/firmware would produce a RAW format with all four channels and provided external software would select the desired channel mix for software filtering. The camera's LCD should produce the desired output real time as selected so that the IR UV folks can properly focus for these wavelengths. Note: for a sharp photo, one would still need IR or UV bandpass filters on their lenses or telescopes, though interesting effects such as normal RGB (in focus) and UV (slightly out of focus due to different wavelength) with an IR bandstop filter would give a reasonable facsimile of a parrot's eye view of foliage - as much as we could show it for our eyes. A lot of experimentation could ensue... What would we loose (aside from the added firmware/software/sensor filter cost? Maybe 1/3 stop. I could live with that. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Roman Melihhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to use Pentax K20D for IR photography without replacement of the sensor filter glass. Thank you for your info. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [No subject given.
1.Give us a subject so that we can more quickly discard your posts. 2.I use a little blower that uses dry, filtered CO2 and is especially for optical cleaning. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: MikeM [EMAIL PROTECTED] After changing my 70-300 lens a number of times to test it on my K10 and K100 the K100 got a speck of dust on the sensor. I tried a couple of puffs from a bulb blower that has always worked before but this time not only didn't the speck move, the number of specks increased every time I tried. And none changed position. They all seem to be circular this time. I am wondering if there were minute droplets in the air. Soup was cooking in the kitchen not too far from where I changes the lenses. Among the methods I found when I tried a search is a Pentax cleaning kit. Any comments on this kit? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Autofocus Systems (was: K20D question for those that have one)
Well... First the boring stuff... EVERY decent control system has a certain amount of hysteresis. Hysteresis is created when a *small* distance about perfect accuracy is designated as having sufficient accuracy for acceptable performance (this is often called deadband) and wherein active control is suspended. This is done to prevent chatter or excessive hunting. Chatter or excessive hunting greatly increases wear, is hard on mechanical equipment and often creates excessive noise and vibration. The autofocus in your camera is a type of control system because most folks greatly dislike vibration and noise in their cameras. Further, they would be greatly dismayed if the life of the bearing surfaces wore out in months instead of decades; therefore hysteresis is actually a good thing. You know that your AF system has built in hysteresis because the lens does not continue to hunt (forever) on a stationary due to sensor noise and continuous slight overshoots. What the boring stuff means... This means that your autofocus system will NEVER focus on EXACTLY the same spot every time because the AF will stop when it determines that focus error is within the deadband and therefore good enough. Now DOF, in distance units, changes with several parameters. This also means that the deadband, in distance units, is different for every focal length, every maximum aperture and every focus distance. Autofocus is a convenience (and a great one at that), but it will never be a substitute for critical manual focusing to accurately and critically position your DOF about the subject. Some AF systems may be better than others or have different features, but this is true for *all* AF cameras, regardless of brand or model. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jostein) Well... Fellow FA*600/4 owner Øyvind Hopland and I had a joint session trying to calibrate our lenses. None of us got consistent results. When focussing on the same subject, an eagle perched on a rock some 50 meters below us, we got widely different optimal calibrations. I don't recall the exact numbers, but we were on opposite sides of zero. Then we tried a closer subject, a lichen covered rock some 6-7 meters away. And got a different, also divergent, set of numbers. I gave up there and then, because the puffins were beginning to arrive. Øyvind has tried again later, but afaik he hasn't been able to make any sense of it yet. I think there are other factors involved besides back- or front-focus. The MTF not very high, so telling the calibrations apart is more difficult than for, say, the DA*300/4. And camera shake is difficult to rule out completely. I would like to repeat the procedure with the camera and lens placed on a dampening surface, like a huge beanbag or something, to get a thoroughly vibration-free set of samples. As it stands, in the non-calibrated position, it has yielded a decent ratio of sufficiently sharp shots. 2008/8/15 John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Jostein Now I'm really curious/ John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/8/14 John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I really need to do the DA* 300/4 I would think adjustment would be more critical/beneficial with longer tele lenses, was there much adjustment required on the 600? I ended up turning it back to zero. Was there a consireable improvement? No. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D question for those that have one
After reading discussions regarding this problem, I did my tests using an engineering scale because I have several and because they're triangular and stand up by themselves. The scale was on a slant relative to the axis of the lens. Distance to scale was adjusted according to focal length for each lens. A piece of half black half white cardboard was set above the 15mm scale position, normal to the lens axis. All were tested wide open. All done using center sensor only. All my AF lenses appeared to be spot on as to being at or damned close to most accurate focus. (Note: most accurate focus is not at what *appears* to be center of DOF - and it shouldn't be.) These lenses were: Autofocus: Screwdriver AF FA 31/1.8 AL ED Limited FA 43/1.9 Limited FA 77/1.8 Limited DA 18-55/3.5-5.6 AL (came with first K10D) DA 18-55/3.5-5.6 AL II (Wanted the new, improved version) SDM DA* 16-50/2.8 AL ED [IF] SDM (Wanted the new, faster lens, faster AF) Manual Focus: (adjust to green focus indicator - not screen) A 15/3.5 (Better than the DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 16 - mine is anyway) A 50/1.2 (Good short portrait lens) A 50/2.8 Macro A* 85/1.4 (Still my favorite portrait lens) A* 135/1.8 A* 200/2.8 ED (GAWD I love this lens for hockey games!) Am I the only person who seems to have NO focus sensing or autofocus problem? Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know Paul had checked his lenses and adjust for most, if not all of them. Just curious as to how many of our current K20D owners felt it necessary to do adjusts. And if you did adjust, did you just use the D70 test page at 30 or the made for Pentax sheet on the other forum. I'v narrowed down, my, VERY LAST CAMERA PURCHASE EVER, to a K20D or D700(but only when i get some real user feed back on this one) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D question for those that have one
If we do a table, we should supply two numbers: 1.Most axxurate focus. 2.Center of DOF. Note: For center of DOF, we would need to define the front and back positions and a consistant, repeatable method for measureing said positions and the stop to be used. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe if we had enough results we could develop a table for the *average* K20D and most common lenses. I can hardly contain my excitement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs?
Same thing. It's going to become a cheap, high pixel count astro camera. If I could rip the RGB off it, I'd do that too. For astro, I refocus for every color anyway. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Exactly what I am trying to do. Just getting money to be able to pay the service. Also I was still unable to find the exact size of the K10D Hotfilter so I can get a replacement glass. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems
Am I the only person who's DA* 16-50 worked great out of the box and continues to do so? Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - I suspect that quality control issues are what has delayed the DA* 60-250. Hopefully, this long delay is a sign that Pentax is revising manufacturing and/or quality control procedures. My first DA* 16-50 was defective (misaligned focus plane). My second one is great. My DA* 50-135 was fine, and I haven't heard many complaints about that lens. Paul On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:22 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen I am a bit hesitant to buy another DA* lens now. Should I sell all my Pentax gear and follow Cotty to the dark side now ;-)? I would be very hesitant about buying any Pentax lens via mail order at this point, I am hearing far too many quality control complaints to trust them to be able to put a piece of equipment together properly. I think it is appalling that a lens as expensive as the 16-50 has generated as many complaints as it has. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D shutter button question
Shake reduction or not, a light but positive shutter release is desirable for the same reason that a light but positive trigger pull is desired on a target weapon. My K20 feels like a ery light two stage target trigger. I quickly got used to it. Perhaps it would be nice for some folks if the shutter weight was adjustable in some manner similer to my target weapons? Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to say if there is K20D sample variation without doing actual side-by-side comparisons. My no resistance might be Bill's slight resistance. Nevertheless, I found that I got used to the position where the K20D activates autofocus without thinking about it. It's there whether one feels it or not. And with a lot of shooting it becomes quite natural. My K10D now feels a bit stiff, BTW. But that's because I rarely use it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: K20D shutter button question
Whoa! Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Annother button question: Why do we need an AF button on the back side?? Why do any of us need buttons on our backsides now that we have central heating? It's for your wife to push when you wander too far off... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: M28/2.8 vs. A28/2.8
My K28/3.5 is pretty sharp and appears to have good contrast, but I use my FA 31/1.8 now. I think I'll be dump the K. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] The SMC Pentax 28/3.5 (K series) may well be the sharpest of them all. It definitely outperforms the A and M 28/2.8. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Check your knobs---aka---Lady Photographer despairs
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I wish to remain a member of questionable standing of this list. My camera does not have knobs. It has controls which have settings. As to the photo(s) - tilt them sideways, call them pop art and sell them for an absurd price. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] A while back someone said a good photographer always checks her knobs on her camera. Well, I didn't today. I took about 8 shots of some teenagers in Chinatown doing acrobatics--all timed well--but I didn't check my shutter speed--which unfortunately was too slow--I thought it was set faster. You can be sure I'll be knob-checking in the future. Ugh! Weeping in Chicago--Christine http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7607614size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: this is exquisite work
Service unavailable. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PAW Picture-A-Week project [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PDML List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: this is exquisite work http://www.dayswithmyfather.com enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 16-50 f2.8 hood cap missing?
When bought mine new from Sammy's, it had the cap. Since there's so little extraneous light that will reach the lens through that small opening on the bottom, and since I use a polarizing filter a lot, I removed the little (easy to loose) tab and placed it in the box the lens came in. I don't miss it at all, and I wouldn't think of fretting over it's loss. The DA* 16-50 is my walking around lens. I love this it, but I do wish it was lighter. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Frank Wajer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, my DA* 16-50 f2.8 just arrived, but when I looked at the hood I noticed the missing cap. I mean the cap that fills the slot which enables you to rotate a polariser without removing the hood. There should be one on the hood, like on the FA 24-90, right? I'll be really p.ss.d if I need to send the lens back just for this small thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Vivian in the Clouds
My daughter-in-law borrowed one of my K10Ds to take this photo of my granddaughter. Fill flash worked well for her, eh? www.bob.blakely.com/Vivian_ITC.jpg Regards, Bob... - Lady Aster: Sir, if you were my husband, I should poison you! Winston Churchill: Madam, if you were my wife, I should drink it! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: When air is an obstacle
The majority of observed thermal ripple is (usually) very close to the ground and a thin, barely noticeable mirage forms. With experience, one can tell the direction (normal component) of the wind by the direction mirage ripple slant. With more experience, velocity (normal component) can be reasonably estimated. This effect has been used by skilled bowmen and marksmen for years. As to being harder to shoot fireworks with a digital camera than on film, stop chimping and it'll get better. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh. I guess that being able to see the image rippling from the movement of air between me and the subject, that's pretty much a guarantee that I'm not going to be able to get a sharp image at such distances today, right? (Argh. Two helicopters parked downtown, and I can't get a sharp enough focus to read the markings on them. And while I had the telescope attached, the dragonfly who usually just darts across the street (or back) lickety split, decided to do a couple of lazy loops about four meters from me while I scrambled to grab a reasonable lens (and then popped up over the roof as soon as I had a proper lens in hand). As long as I'm babbling non-linearly ... is it just me, or is it harder to shoot fireworks with a digital camera than on film? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon D700 hands-on Damnation
Hello! This is Brother Bob of the Church of Perpetual Pentax! For lo, it is written in the Good Book upon the pages which are in Japanese, that he who speaketh Pentax shall have eternal life while he who uttereth Nikon or Canon shall rot in the Kingdom of Hades forever. So, dear friends, secure your eternal salvation by leaving your PENTAX message at the sound of the sacred click. Twenty-some posts in this thread? Hell, I don't have time to read the 100 plus posts per day to this list! I auto-filter to remove every post whose title and/or body contains the words Nikon, Canon, Sony or Mafud. I ran across this post while reviewing the Deleted Items file. Do I ever miss something that might be of interest now and then? I'm sure I do, but I've got to cut down on the crap and aggravation somehow. Plonk! Regards, Brother Bob of the Church of Pentax... - ...and your little dog too! From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/7/3 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've had no time to read the twenty-some posts in this thread, and only a couple of moments to look at the DPR preview. I do find it curious that so many comments related to a new Nikon are posted to the PENTAX mailing list. That's OK. A few of us find it curious that PESO's made with non Pentax equipment are posted to the same PENTAX mailing list. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K28mm 3.5 shift
To do perspective correction in photoshop or any other imaging software, you must loose pixels, synthisize pixels or both. Shift is still the way for digital purists. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Pentax K28mm 3.5 shift I know that in the days before digital it sold for three times that or more. But now with PhotoShop perspective controls, it's somewhat redundant. But it should be fun. Good buy:-). Paul On May 14, 2008, at 5:24 PM, DagT wrote: I suddenly bought one for about $200. (it sounds fun and I had a weak moment) Does anybody know anything about it? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question: Has digital photography improved your skills?
Steves question: Has digital photography improved your skills? No, but it's given me a new skill - chimping. Regards, Bob... - The original point and click interface was a Colt 45. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bright and breezy, free and easy
From the title I thought you'd joined a nudest colony! Old war horses arealways great fare for the lense. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Bright and breezy, free and easy All the nice girls love a sailor http://www.web-options.com/GPens.jpg This chap is in the uniform of a Greenwich Pensioner, the naval equivalent of the more famous Chelsea Pensioners, who are army. I think he must live at Trinity Hospital: http://www.web-options.com/TH.jpg an almshouse for retired seamen. I think they are the only people entitled to wear the uniform. From what I can tell his medals are a General Service medal, and a Long Service and Good Conduct medal, but I may be wrong. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
HAR! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to hear that Bob. You know we'll all be pulling for you here. Best of luck and get well soon. Paul -- Original message -- From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've suffered a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. I never even considered you to be liberal! This is bad! keith whaley Get well, Bob! We'll be pulling for you! g This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sroke
I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Young squirts
I have 42 years experience at being 18. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any teenagers on this list (other than me)? Just curious... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 2007 Quotations List On Line
The Purile Drivel of Mental Lightweights Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New member with old (I'm sure) question
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome Rick. We don't bite, well Cotty might, but thats about it.:-0 New to the list, eh? Ah! Fresh meat! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: totally OT: for the foodies - a couple of recipes from annsan'skitchen
Wonderful, Annsan! I'm going to try the Beef Stew Recipe. As to the 3 Bean Soup, I'm already an old fart! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] annsan's recipe's for Southwestern style 3 bean soup, cornbread and beef stew __ southwestern 3 bean soup 1 cup pintos 1 cup white beans 1 cup split peas water to cover in a heavy 2 quart pot - preferably cast iron put in cold water bring to boil - boil about a minute turn off and let stand for about 1 hour return to stove, add one ham bone, 1 yellow onion, chopped 1 tblsp marjoram, 1 tsp ground cumin, 1 tblsp dried rosemary, 1 tlbsp paprika, 1/2 tsp chili powder pinch of nutmeg add more water bring to boil, cover , simmer for 3 hours check now and then to make sure nothing is sticking to the bottom of the pan and add cool water to slow down simmering a bit now and then No salt is needed, as the ham bone should have plenty. ___ Annsans Beef Stew Recipe 1 ½ to 2 lbs beef shin bones, cut the meat in chunks, put the bones in as is 1 yellow onion 1 very large carrot, sliced thick 4 stalks of celery sliced in 2 or 3 lengths 4 large white or red potatoes, peeled and cut in a few pieces each 1 teaspoon ground rosemary 1 tablespoon dried dill 1 half cup Trader Joes Marinara sauce with Roasted garlic (or any marinara sauce, but this is the best) 1 half can Campbells golden mushroom soup. (For fungi rejecters, Beef Broth can be used instead) 3 or 4 tablespoons grapeseed oil black pepper If you have an iron pot it will best but any large pot will do. heat the oil and brown the meat and bones in it. then add the onion, sliced and stir a bit more. Sprinkle the meat with the ground rosemary, add about 3 cups of water, the marinara, the golden mushroom soup, the dill and vegetables except the potatoes bring to a boil and then cover and simmer for 3 hours. Add the potatoes and cook for another 30 to 45 minutes. The stew is soupy, not too thick. It is best after it has been refrigerated overnight or even over two nights. If the soup thickens too much, add water and a bit more golden mushroom soup (you have saved the remaining half a can.) Importrant! both the marinara sauce and the golden mushroom soup have salt in them more than enough. Dont add salt to this stew! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 2007 Quotations List On Line
Making the PDML quotations list is like winning the Special Olympics... It doesn't mean we can compete with the pros, and it would probably be better if we didn't qualify. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Year was a success. I made the quotations list. To hell with the Pentax gallery :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The last hamburger...
Samuel Adams is one of my heros... Makes good beers too. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] What torques me more than anything else is we vote for the a**h***s. you really shouldn't be upset about that. After all, the Boston Tea Party was all about no taxation without representation. It's better to be taxed by people you vote for than by people you don't vote for. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: OMG...
Aspirin was once a trade name. The company that owned it failed to protect it though flagerant infringement abounded. After some time they attempted to assert their trademark rights in court only to find they had lost them through negelect. The term was deemed to have become common usage with the company's tacit approval! Folks with trademarks *need* to protect them if they want to keep them. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 28, 2007 1:05 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas wrote: I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for Commercial Photography. That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark violation, essentially. Okay, you guys are right, that's what he's suing for (as it appears in this report, anyway). I still say he has no chance of doing anything other than settling for an undisclosed sum (meaning both sides walk away paying their own legal fees, while saving face). If Chuck had any sort of a career, he'd have better things to do with his time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Christmas Spirit
They're not partial to the taste of lighter fluid? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why would anuone want to pollute their scotch with ice cubes, or anything else? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Christmas Spirit
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why do people put sugar and milk in their tea and coffee? Because you don't serve pure Kona? Why do people drown a perfectly good meal in tomato sauce (ketchup)? Because you prepared it? Hey! You asked! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Christmas Spirit
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why do people put sugar and milk in their tea and coffee? Because you don't serve pure Kona? Why do people drown a perfectly good meal in tomato sauce (ketchup)? Because you prepared it? Hey! You asked! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Christmas Spirit
Homemade eggnog (unspiked) with nutmeg sprinkled atop. Martinelli's Sparkling Cider Apple cider with cinnimon sticks and lemon slices floating atop. It was very festive indeed, as I was surrounded by my four children, their wives/husbands and nine grandchildren. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mine turned out to be a single-malt! Hope everyone else's was suitably festive. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: OMG...
Ben: First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a faggot. What a queer thing to say, Ben. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
HEY! No soliciting for sexual favors on the list. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see that trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. You're always right, everyone else is wrong.. I tried, but my patience (!) has limits. OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: OMG...
HAR! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: Ben: First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a faggot. What a queer thing to say, Ben. I may be a homosexual, but I thought it a bit mary too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Let us now praise famous eBay rules?
You didn't give the vintage, but German or not, back in the day there were
only two serious sources of tubing in the world, Renyolds (English)
Columbus (Italian ) - in English, Italian ('bout the same as English) and
French tubing sizes. You could get them with either in English, Italian
(again 'bout the same as English) or French threads. (The French just gotta
be different.) Further, there were only two acceptable choices for
components, Campanola (Italian) and perhaps Stronglight if you wanted
French - unless you wanted to hang Japanese on yer bike.
I used to have a Schwinn Paramount that was measured made to fit me. Renolds
753 with 531 seat chain stays - 73 degrees parallel. Back in the day, the
Paramount was a made-to-order bike, whether it was the road racer or the
track version. It had the fancy Nervex lugs, fork crown and bottom bracket.
The bike was finished in black Dupont Imron with the lugs, fork crown,
bottom bracket and half the forks, chain seat stays chrome. I hung Campy
parts on it 'cept the bars which were Cinelli. When I wasn't riding, it hung
over the sofa as art.
It was stolen from outside a restaurant about 20 years ago- locking chain
snipped.
I miss it.
Regards,
Bob...
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Last week I was watching a hand made German bicycle (Italian steel and
French components, go figure).
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Re: Pentax Gallery
I like it Bruce. I'm into Slice o' Life photography myself. There's nothing wrong with your photo. You're just dealing with folks who prefer to see bugs, birds such. These people can be recognized buy their profound utterances, such as: Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble mobblemabble mup. Pay them no mind. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need to see if my perceptions are off base or not. I was rather surprised that the photo I recently showed of the kid with lollipop was declined without even making it to the judges. I would have thought it would have made it through the peer judging. Let me know if I am perceiving wrong...thanks. Here is the photo: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/rivercats_0004a.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Face Recognition?
I donno. I think I could use that face recognition thingy. I wanna know who the hell that old fart was in the mirror this morning. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've seen this feature heavily advertised on Canon and other cams. Today I see a Pentax Optio advertised in the paper, and I see that it, too, has genuine face recognition. I no longer have the eyesight of a 20 year old, but I have no problem knowing when I'm looking at a face - either in real life or through a viewfinder. Just because I'm lazy, and I suspect that some of the answers on this list might be more informative than advertising copy (and more fun, to boot!), could I please have a brief primer on Face Recognition and why in the world I might want it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Face Recognition?
Today's consumer cameras are ALREADY smarter than the idiots that buy them. Next year's offerings from Canon: Automatic pet recognition. Automatic rule of thirds composition. Automatic zoom to crop. Auto building recognition with Auto perspective control. Voice that says, Stop shaking! Voice that says, Taking photo inside purse not recomended! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe it affects the auto focusing, Frank. If the algorithm finds what it thinks is a face it focuses on that. Just making cameras, for idiots, a little smarter. frank theriault wrote: I've seen this feature heavily advertised on Canon and other cams. Today I see a Pentax Optio advertised in the paper, and I see that it, too, has genuine face recognition. I no longer have the eyesight of a 20 year old, but I have no problem knowing when I'm looking at a face - either in real life or through a viewfinder. Just because I'm lazy, and I suspect that some of the answers on this list might be more informative than advertising copy (and more fun, to boot!), could I please have a brief primer on Face Recognition and why in the world I might want it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
This is boring and purile! Do I have to butt in and show you fellas how to have an artful flame war? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for the New Yawkers
Interested in Herons, eh? Use SCUBA. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone know the odds of getting to North Brothers Island undetected? Norm? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old Honeywell Pentax Gear
Yeah, right. It's uphill and against the wind - both ways. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. - Original Message - From: Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15 years?? I'm lucky to get a year out of a back wheel. Right now running a shimano XT hub laced up to a mavic cxp33. Ive gotten a year and a half out of that and i'm impressed with it. Mind you, i think what does it out here are the hills. Its 450ft of elevation change between work and home, and its not just straight up hill it wanders. There are a couple of places i top 30mph and that seems to kind of ruin the rim. Between climbing hard and decending fast the spokes start to pull through the rim. Had to go with a mavic rim this go around because velocity deep v's were on like infinite back order. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old Honeywell Pentax Gear
ebay. One piece at a time. Quality pics of equipment required for best price. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Guyz, I have a briefcase full of an old Honeywell Spotmatic and a bunch of lenses: 35, 55, 90, 135, 200 at least, and I am in Durham NC. I no longer use this setup, having aged up and out not so gracefully, and I'd like to find some good options for disposing of it all together. Have no idea what it's worth nor how to dispose of it. Any ideas or suggestions, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D Custom Function Suggestions for Pentax
Again... List of capabilities I want in my current K10D or next hand held image computer, all of which could be made available from camera firmware and/or Remote Assistant software: 1.Ability to turn off the viewfinder display. It's not only useless for astrophotography, it greatly interferes with night vision and focusing on stars, or even dark street scenes. 2.Ability to adjust focus manually from the remote assistant, i.e. adjust the little screw drive as desired in manual mode from the remote assistant. 3.Continuous digital preview selection (mirror locked up, screen video) from the remote assistant (for remote focus). 4.Zoom of the digital preview selection from the remote assistant (for remote focus). 5.Continuous (one frame per half second) transfer to to the remote assistant of the zoomed of the digital preview (for remote focus and for monitoring - great for elusive wildlife). 7.Actual mirror lock (with AC adaptor for selenoid power if it's necessary) to support the above and to allow capture at the desired instant as it is seen. and via additional device: 8.Wireless (peferably via ad hoc 802.11n) transfer of all data and protocalls available from the camera's USB port. Gawd! The things I could do with these capabilities! Regards, Bob... - I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: K10D Custom Function Suggestions for Pentax I'm pretty happy with the configurability of the K10D via Custom Function, especially in the AE modes. But I do have a few suggestions for Pentax which would improve this even more. Here they are: Add custom functions to allow assignment of control dials in M, B(ulb) and X-Sync modes. For M(anual) mode, this needs two options, standard and reversed controls. For B mode, it needs standard and reversed controls, and standard and reversed controls with ISO on the second dial (Currently all you have is Aperture on the rear dial in Bulb mode). X(-sync) mode should be the same as Bulb. Reverseable dials and the option of having ISO on the second dial. The Custom Function 'Green Button in TAv and M' should be split into two functions. One for TAv with the current options, another for M with the current options and a Sv Line as well (set ISO). Currently you can choose Program Line(Green Button sets Aperture and Shutter based on the program line), Tv Line (Green button sets Shutter based on selected Aperture) and Av Line (Green Button sets aperture based on shutter). The Custom Function 'AF Button Function' needs some more options. What it needs are: Disengage/Engage AF when held - AF button disengages the AF drive when held while the camera's AF mode selector is in an AF selection, when the AF Mode Selector is in MF holding the AF button engages the AF system in AF-S mode and activates it. Disengage/Engage AF When Pressed - AF Button overrides the AF Mode selector position, toggling the AF system's engagement when pressed. As the K10D indicates MF in the viewfinder, this would allow quick switching between AF and MF with all AF lenses, even the older FA lenses without Quick-Shift Focus. It would engage AF-S mode if the AF Mode Selector is set to MF or AF-S, and AF-C if the AF Mode Selector is set to AF-C. Two more AF custom functions are also needed. The first is 'AF-C Priority', with two options: Release Priority' (Default) and 'Focus Priority' The second is 'AF-S Priority', with the same two options, but 'Focus Priority' as the default. Also there needs to be a Custom Function 'Display ISO in Viewfinder' which would have 'Disable' as default (showing Frames Remaining) and 'Enable' as an option, displaying ISO instead of frames remaining in the viewfinder. As to the in-camera post-processing, it needs a little tweaking. First of all, the RAW Development needs a second save option. The current one needs to become 'Save as JPEG', and a 'Apply to RAW' options is also needed, that applies the selected settings to the RAW metadata and regenerates the embedded preview (I want this so I can fix WB after the fact in-camera). Also it would be nice if I could select one of the digital filters as a default for JPEGs (IE, I want to be able to select the BW options so I can shoot in BW mode rather than having to do conversions afterwards). -- So I'm going to send this to Pentax as a suggestion, anyone have any comments first? -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Riskier is hearing the thong snap! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, You look mighty close. Was she in earshot of hearing the shutter snap there? That could be risky. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:28:23PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. Moose hide. Feet. I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed... Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Opinions please
Which one is the TARDIS and why isn't it blue? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob, it is good but somehow ordinary... Boris Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey
From Bojidar Dimitrov's Pentax K-Mount Page (Best authority on all things K-mount) http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/M/index.html Camera W x Hx D (mm) Wt (g) ME 131x 82.5 x 49.5460 ME Super 131.5 x 83x 49.5445 MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3 495 LX 144.5 x 90.5 x 50 570 (for reference) K2 144 x 92x 57 680 (for reference) Yup, the MX is a whole 5mm (~0.169in) wider than ME. Camera Viewfinder Mag [Cov] ME 0.95 x [92%] ME Super 0.95 x [92%] MX0.97 x [95%] LX *** x [98%] (for reference) K2 0.88 x [95%] (for reference) *** Depends on viewfinder used. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey I have an ME and an MX and the viewfinders are more or less the same, (both for coverage and magnification), well close enough so that criticizing one is criticizing the other. The ME is much smaller than the MX, but has many fewer controls so that might make a difference in handling.. Sandy Harris wrote: On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey
You are generally correct, however: Ammunition not being available is no bar from firing any old firearm. One can always make the ammunition if one wants to, and it's usually a relatively trivial matter. I know, I've done it. Further, while ammo for certain antique firearms may not be mass produced and therefore commonly listed as unavailable, it is almost always available from small producers. One example is the 45/120 cartridge used in some Sharps rifles. The same is and will always be true for unavailable film formats - ammo for old cameras. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] The combination of old and high-quality will always have value. Collectors will always be around. So what if film completely disappears, folks still collect guns for which no ammunition has been available for a century or more. When one is young old does not mean anything because almost everything was made before you were born, but when you can begin to appreciate the years involved things become valuable just because they have lasted. Bob Blakely wrote: Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
This is not about being a prude or any such similar thing. This person, gender aside, accepted MONEY to pose nude for a gaggle of photographers. She sould know that: (1.) Film was being exposed! (2.) Prints were to be made! (3.) The photographers OWN the copyrights to their OWN photos. (4.) ANY expectation of privacy of ANY form went out the window when the model took MONEY and got nude in front of the cameras. (5.) The photographers, regardless of level of proficiency or of commercial status have a right to be proud of their work and to display it for others to see, to share in their pride in their work. (6.) The only rights the model might retain are commercial. Any expectation as to retaining any modecum of modesty regarding this is UNREALISTIC, regardless of whatever she may have thought at the time and regardless of how she feels now! Now, as to her desires not to have the photographers display THEIR work and share their pride in the development of THEIR art, she can ask all she wants, even make demands. Nevertheles, legal ears should be deaf to such demands. William Robb is entirely within his rights and has done NOTHING wrong. As I said before, it's time for folks to accept the natural consequencies of their choices and stop whining. You may say, Bob, you're an insensitive SOB! I would reply, Damned right! ...except I assure you there is legal proof that my mother is human! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] William Robb wrote: And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. Bill , how long ago did you take these photos? I've missed some of the debate about this. But there is a difference between parading around in front of a group of men nude and seeing photos of yourself in cyberspace. Posing for a camera club is like posing for a class of art students. you are photoing to hone your skills. I do think you should have asked her permission if that were possible before putting on the web. She might have loved it and been flattered... otoh, maybe she was really hurtinn fort cash and just did it to help pay the rent. I'm not a prude, I don't think, but I do think anyone who paints or photographs someone in the buff should not show them ANYWHERE without the express permission of the model. OTOH, if she is the one - herself - that started the legal stuff rolling I would say that was pretty nasty -- she could have simply called you and said please take those photos of me down. Over litigating is not something I approve of, but if you really are causing this girl pain by having it on the web, why not be big about it and take down the shot? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
What is this Mark! thing??? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007 10:46 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable Mrk! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its to draw attention to the keeper of the Quotable Quotes list for the pdml. that maybe something should be added. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Cool! Thanks! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
I've been reading the epistles of these delinquent denizens o' the dark for near 10 years now. Every now and then one of them quips out a doozie. Wheatfield Willie spewss excellent barbs when he feels the need to blow them someone's way. Others are just as good with the wry stuff - when irked. Sometimes I miss Mafud. He provoked some amazingly witty retorts when he was spewing his nonsense. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgetaboutit, no one will believe he said it. Paul Crovella wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: You guys are pretty I see it quoted, and I still don't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey
Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey
For some folks, there is a warmly felt appreciation for a craftsman like elegance that transcends the function of the tool itself. The H1a, etal., the Spotmatics and their K-mount cousins, the MX, the ME-Super and the LX. These each had and continue to have such an appeal to me. It's much like the fond appreciation I have for an old, brass mariner's sextant that was handed down to me. Of course GPS is easier and so much more accurate, but that sextant will shine with it's own appeal long after the plastic cased, non reparable GPS units have been replaced with another plastic doohickey. Folks who drive REO's will understand this to. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Sorry. I had an MX: it was nice but I prefer my Nikon FM2n for that kind of camera. The K10D works better. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cameras you wish you still had
For US$1200, you can have one from eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Takane-MineSix-Super-66-Beautiful-Asahi-6x6-camera-RARE_W0QQitemZ270192718965QQihZ017QQcategoryZ710QQcmdZViewItem Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Yefei He [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith, Are you sure you weren't actually thinking of this camera when you typed: http://www.geocities.com/antjam65/TakaneSuper66.html You did alright. It's got a fine Takumar lens. From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cotty wrote: On 05/12/07, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: Ah yes. The MX-S is the only SLR I have wanted but can't quite justify the cost of. Almost moot now, as I'd have to find a used one, if I decide to go there... I have several other Pentax rangefinders keith I want some of what your smoking man I known, I know! I jigged instead of jagging! Big ooops! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:
God damn it! My reaction is visceral! I suppose 14 megapixels, a bigger screen and live view is nice, but what I have in the K10D works great for me in the digital arena and since I have two of them, I won't be buying to upgrade. Period! Even if it came out at the same price as the current K10D! These cameras are not works of art in themselves ala the spotmatic, MX, LX, etc., and so will have the life of a computer. They'll be no such thing as a 2005 model, as bargain old model on sale will be marked circa 10:30 AM. The handiest camera size (physically) for me is generally about the current size of 35 mm cameras. This means that the available space inside the light box for a sensor is about what we call full frame. That's the sensor real estate I want, and It's the only real estate I'll buy from now on. For a full frame at ~15 megapixels or better body from Pentax I'd pay ~$2500 . If Pentax can't make it available in the next year or so, you may well find all my gear on ebay as I build the capital to buy the bodies with the full frame sensors I want and the lenses to go with them. Sh*t They can put a K20D up their butt to look for polyps! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://stock-photo.blogspot.com/2007/11/pentax-k20d-on-show-at-pma-2008.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mouldering film camera survey
William Robb wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? ME Super 2 each ME-F Early version LX They all sit in plastic ZipLoc bags with silica gel. I still occasionally use: H1a MX One or another version of 4 later model LXen Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Old Farts Take Note!
An elderly lady stopped in to see her physician regarding recent bouts of flatulence. The doctor asked, Tell me about this problem. The elderly lady replied, Well, I've been having a lot of flatulence of late. There's no sound and no odor, but as it's a new condition, it bothers me. Why, I've passed gas three times since I entered your office! The doctor thought for a moment, wrote a prescription and said, Here, try these capsules. I'm sure they'll help. Make an appointment to come back and see me in a week. A week later, the elderly lady returned to the doctor and said, I took the capsules as you prescribed, but I still have the odorless flatulence, only now it's... it's noisy! The doctor replied, Now that we've remedied your hearing problem, let's work on your sense of smell. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7126973.stm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Old Farts Take Note!
Ah yes, the musical fruit. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bean's, bean's, good for the heart, the more you eat the more you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cameras you wish you still had
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: What cameras have you owned that you wish you had never gotten rid of? I still have every camera I've ever owned. B: And, just for fun, what cameras have you lusted for but never had? None. If I lust for them, I buy them, so I have them. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting turn of events on www.pentaximaging.com
I don't rely on the Pentax USA site for information any more. Tyy: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/index.php Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Under explore our products-cameras-digital cameras-DSLR Only one product is now listed, the K10D Maybe there will be two new bodies in January, a Top end replacement or body above the K10d and a replacement for the K100D super. After all Pentax USA, ( http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/digital/digital_slr/ ), usually keeps older products around for a very long time... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Yea, I know the law generally, and I'm probably wrong in thinking I know where you're comming from. Nevertheless, she did not go to a photographer (or photographera) requesting nude portraits of herself. She posed at the request of the club and for a fee. Whining that she got burned when someone placed the photos for public viewing is a lot like the whining of the woman who burned herself when the coffee she placed between her legs spilled at the takeout window at McDonnald's! Yea, I know some foolish jury awarded her damages. I believe it's about time folks learn to accept personal responsibility for the natural consequences of their actions. What did she think these photographers were going to do? Did she really think these photographers were going to keep their blowups of her privately pinned to their bedroom ceilings for their own personal nocturnal amusement? If this woman is blonde, this would be a joke! Children blame the natural consequencies of their actions on others. Grownups accept responsibility for the natural consequencies of their actions! This is really the only defining difference. No, I don't want to hear any buts. I have a but. I sit on it. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even though she got paid - if she didn't sign a model's release it would mean to me she would not have wanted those pictures circulated. Especially since she was naked. Leave it alone and apologize to her William Robb wrote: A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Legalese, Canadian Style
Mess with nekkid wimmins, get screwed. Seriously, check with the club for paperwork concerning exactly what the model signed up for, especially anything regarding limited distribution and/or use of the photos. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cameras you wish you still had
I have modest lusts. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Jim King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Blakely wrote on Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0800 B: And, just for fun, what cameras have you lusted for but never had? None. If I lust for them, I buy them, so I have them. Must be nice... My lust exceeds my finances. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
I have one. They're more expensive than golden goose eggs too. FYI, 67-645-K mount works too, but you have to play the same game as with SMCK on K10D (crippled KA2 mount). Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a 645 to k adaptor, but they seem to be significantly rarer than hen's teeth. David Savage wrote: 645 = 6 x 4.5cm negative/transparency. On Nov 29, 2007 8:11 PM, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
