Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: From: Tom C On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:01 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: They want information. ?THEY WON'T GET IT! By hook or by crook, they will ! Rumpole is number two, WHO IS NUMBER ONE? Thomas Knoll, apparently. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Feb 26, 2010, at 06:30 , Mark Roberts wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me where to install and I specified the D: drive. Now I have several

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Feb 26, 2010, at 17:27 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: I have no beefs with Adobe. Their software installs easily, quickly, and works very well. They support it when I call with a question. I bank my living on it. 80% of malware

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/27/2010 5:47 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Feb 26, 2010, at 06:30 , Mark Roberts wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me where to install and I

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
Maybe you could just spread peanut butter all over the road at the main gate. Tell 'em it's from the PDML. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Feb 26, 2010, at 06:30 , Mark Roberts wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread Scott Loveless
On 2/27/10, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you could just spread peanut butter all over the road at the main gate. Tell 'em it's from the PDML. Mark! I just started a Photoshop Elements 8 download. The wife-type has for several years just used Picasa. The last time we

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread Tom C
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:01 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: They want information.  THEY WON'T GET IT! By hook or by crook, they will ! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tom C On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:01 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: They want information. ?THEY WON'T GET IT! By hook or by crook, they will ! Rumpole is number two, WHO IS NUMBER ONE? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread Tom C
You are number six. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:36 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom C On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:01 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: They want information. ?THEY WON'T GET IT! By hook or by crook, they will ! Rumpole is number two,

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-27 Thread steve harley
On 2010-02-25 21:09 , paul stenquist wrote: I've been using Vuescan with my Epson 3200 for the few scans I still do. I couldn't get the Epson Twain plug in to work with CS4 on the Mac. Paul +1 for VueScan -- the UI is a bit clunky at first, but it is reliable and very productive -- it's

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Tanya Love wrote: As for Marks original post, where he said the following: I'm thinking all along, I paid $$$ for this when I probably could have found a torrent with a crack that would have installed with less trouble!, I am wondering, Mark, have you been spying on me again?!? ;-) I've been

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Mark Roberts
News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me where to install and I specified the D: drive. Now I have several gigabytes of application files clogging up a drive which

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me where to install and I specified the D: drive. Now I have several gigabytes of application files

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread mike wilson
Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me where to install and I specified the D: drive. Now I have several

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread mike wilson
Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me where to install and I specified the D: drive.

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
If you do punch him, tell him Steve says Hey On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: News flash: Besides the other installation nightmares, I just discovered that the CS4 suite installed itself on my C: drive even though the installation/setup process asked me

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson wrote: So it's not really suprising that Adobe's pdf reader (yes, that's _all_ it does) application takes up one quarter of a gigabyte. Double damn. Don't even think about using Acrobat Reder: Go with the free Foxit PDF viewer instead: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ --

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Bob Sullivan
And the damned pdf reader keeps wanting to update to version 9, even if I update it. And then there's the emails offering enrollment in Adobe seminars/classes at $1,500+ a crack. What a bunch of asses... Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:34 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
On 2/26/2010 9:43 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: So it's not really suprising that Adobe's pdf reader (yes, that's _all_ it does) application takes up one quarter of a gigabyte. Double damn. Don't even think about using Acrobat Reder: Go with the free Foxit PDF viewer

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Sorenson Subject: Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe. Or try this one - http://www.nuance.com/imaging/products/pdf-reader.asp - only a 42mb footprint. NOO. Friends don't let friends use Nuance products. Seriously

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-02-26 9:30, Mark Roberts wrote: If I ever meet a programmer from Adobe it'll take all my willpower to resist immediately punching him in the face. What assholes. Let me know if you need backup, or bail. :-) Adobe's development practices imply that they think it's their computer to

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread David Savage
On 26 February 2010 23:34, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: I'm really glad I make regular Norton Ghost image backups of my C: and D: drives. So it's not really suprising that Adobe's pdf reader (yes, that's _all_ it does) application

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Adobe Reader does a lot more than just read PDFs. It's essentially an interactive PDF multimedia viewer, capable of handling the full range of features that PDF file are capable of doing which includes being able to contain music, show video, etc. For instance, none of the other PDF viewers on the

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Graydon
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 02:46:58PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit: I have no beefs with Adobe. Their software installs easily, quickly, and works very well. They support it when I call with a question. I bank my living on it. 80% of malware exploits in 2009 targeted Adobe Reader. It's worth

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: I have no beefs with Adobe. Their software installs easily, quickly, and works very well. They support it when I call with a question. I bank my living on it. 80% of malware exploits in 2009 targeted Adobe Reader. It's worth

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Graydon
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 05:27:30PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: I have no beefs with Adobe. Their software installs easily, quickly, and works very well. They support it when I call with a question. I bank my living on

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread David J Brooks
You to. I keep getting those to Dave On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: And the damned pdf reader keeps wanting to update to version 9, even if I update it. And then there's the emails offering enrollment in Adobe seminars/classes at $1,500+ a crack.

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
On 2/26/2010 1:11 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Sorenson Subject: Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe. Or try this one - http://www.nuance.com/imaging/products/pdf-reader.asp - only a 42mb footprint. NOO. Friends don't let

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
They want information. THEY WON'T GET IT! On 2/26/2010 12:20 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: On 2/26/2010 9:43 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: So it's not really suprising that Adobe's pdf reader (yes, that's _all_ it does) application takes up one quarter of a gigabyte. Double damn.

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Now he tells me. On 2/26/2010 10:43 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: So it's not really suprising that Adobe's pdf reader (yes, that's _all_ it does) application takes up one quarter of a gigabyte. Double damn. Don't even think about using Acrobat Reder: Go with the

Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
There's nothing about the CS3 applications that doesn't suit me. But... the courses I'm teaching are built around the CS4 Adobe apps and it's becoming increasingly difficult to plan lessons for classes that use the CS4 interfaces while I'm working with the CS3 interfaces... so, even though it's

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist
On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: There's nothing about the CS3 applications that doesn't suit me. But... the courses I'm teaching are built around the CS4 Adobe apps and it's becoming increasingly difficult to plan lessons for classes that use the CS4 interfaces while I'm

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
paul stenquist wrote: I had no problems installing CS4, but that was on a Mac. No flame intentions here:-). Good, because I'm ready for a Mac rant, too: The Mac at school still won't let me log in on the first try and it won't *ever* recognize the scanner through Photoshop - I have to use the

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Paul Ewins
There isn't a PS plug-in for my Epson 2450 using CS4, so I'm stuck using the Epson software. Mostly it won't recognise the scanner first up and I have to restart the scanner and software. I think that is Epson's way of telling me to upgrade. On 26/02/2010, at 1:34 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Brendan MacRae
, February 25, 2010 6:13:27 PM Subject: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe. There's nothing about the CS3 applications that doesn't suit me. But... the courses I'm teaching are built around the CS4 Adobe apps and it's becoming increasingly difficult to plan lessons

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Adam Maas
Shouldn't need a plugin, just a properly TWAIN-compliant Epson App. PS supports any TWAIN-compliant scanner and has for years. It's an awful way to scan though, batch scanning is severely crippled from inside PS. Which is why I batch-scan and monitor the output directory via Bridge. -Adam On

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist
On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:34 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: paul stenquist wrote: I had no problems installing CS4, but that was on a Mac. No flame intentions here:-). Good, because I'm ready for a Mac rant, too: The Mac at school still won't let me log in on the first try and it won't *ever*

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Brendan MacRae wrote: CS4 has been plagued with install issues, as you've seen firsthand. I have the entire suite here that absolutely refuses to install on my Mac. I tried the Adobe forums first, then tech support (free for installation issues) and spent a good 6-7 hours of my life on the

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist
Deluxe on both my Macs with no problems. Paul - Original Message From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 6:13:27 PM Subject: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe. There's nothing about the CS3

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread drd1135
Hell was designed by Adobe. Steve Desjardins -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:13:27 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe. There's nothing about the CS3 applications

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Adam Maas
Hell was designed by BMC Software and implemented by Blackboard Inc. Adobe's positively wonderful in comparison to those two. -Adam On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hell was designed by Adobe. Steve Desjardins -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Brendan MacRae
- Original Message From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 6:50:05 PM Subject: Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe. Brendan MacRae wrote: CS4 has been plagued with install issues

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Paul Ewins
TWAIN isn't supported by CS4 on Intel Macs. The plug-in is on the disk but isn't installed in the default install. In my case it didn't work even after I had manually put it in the appropriate folder. Apparently if you run CS4 in Rosetta mode it should work, but as that slows PS down I see no

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread David Savage
at the moment I'd rather bitch about having to leave the air conditioned comfort of the office to go measure up a clients piece of equipment on a very humid 40 degree day... On 26/02/2010, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: There's nothing about the CS3 applications that doesn't suit me.

RE: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Tanya Love
trouble!, I am wondering, Mark, have you been spying on me again?!? ;-) tan. :) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Friday, 26 February 2010 2:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist
On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Paul Ewins wrote: TWAIN isn't supported by CS4 on Intel Macs. The plug-in is on the disk but isn't installed in the default install. In my case it didn't work even after I had manually put it in the appropriate folder. Apparently if you run CS4 in Rosetta

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I installed Photoshop CS4 the other day. I don't use any plugins, I just saved out my CS2 actions, did the install, and reloaded my actions, then installed the latest Camera Raw. Done, no drama at all. Works fine (although CS4 has some known color management glitches). Much faster loading and a

Re: Let's not bitch about Pentax... Let's bitch about Adobe.

2010-02-25 Thread David Mann
On Feb 26, 2010, at 5:04 PM, David Savage wrote: at the moment I'd rather bitch about having to leave the air conditioned comfort of the office to go measure up a clients piece of equipment on a very humid 40 degree day... At least your office is air conditioned :( This week's been hot