Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread Darren Addy
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the K-3 is going to be the most significant leap in model features in the history of the company. There are really four big components to a DSLR: Sensor, Image Processor, Exposure System, AF system I would suggest that the K-3 is going to be the most

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread Boris Liberman
You appear to not have noticed that with such a support of 24MP sensor the new processor should be possible to (almost seamlessly, at least in terms of computational power) use for 24 MP FF sensors or other FF sensors of similar pixels count. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Darren Addy

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread Darren Addy
I have not mentioned it in this thread, but I did in a similar post I made on PentaxForums this morning. Under the PRIME III family I grouped the K3?, 645DII?, FF? A poster on dpreview's Pentax forum wisely (i think) suggested that Pentax's progress has been delayed in waiting for this Fujitsu

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I dunno, them big pixels might strain it. Godfrey On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: You appear to not have noticed that with such a support of 24MP sensor the new processor should be possible to (almost seamlessly, at least in terms of computational

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread Stan Halpin
On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Darren Addy wrote: . . . I expect the K-3 to have butt-kicking FPS. The best video in a Pentax product EVAR, advanced in-camera HDR, the best AF ever in a Pentax DSLR, and a huge library of corrections possible for Pentax DA DFA lenses. This is a camera that is

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread Stan Halpin
On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Darren Addy wrote: . . . I would expect (as some have conjectured) that this K-3 body type is capable of supporting either an APS-C or a FF sensor within it's cavities. . . Upgradable? Buy a K-3apsc, then later swap in a K-3FF sensor? People keep talking about

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-03 Thread P.J. Alling
That's pretty obvious. On 10/3/2013 11:12 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Darren Addy wrote: . . . I expect the K-3 to have butt-kicking FPS. The best video in a Pentax product EVAR, advanced in-camera HDR, the best AF ever in a Pentax DSLR, and a huge library of

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-02 Thread CollinB
Hump or bump? If it is a bump there will soon be pics on every tabloid at the checkout. But I suspect a hump that houses a connector for something. If you get a remote dashboard connected via a mini din, that would be sooo cool. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-02 Thread Tom C
Yes, of course, Darren. But you see, all we know at this time for sure is the label on the processor. It could be that they just optimized/improved the same old Prime II to be able to work with more pixels, more AF points, more FPS, higher video rate. As it is, we have to wait, and it seems

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-02 Thread Darren Addy
True, we don't *know* yet. But Pentax has been very consistent in their naming conventions and you can see the cameras change in their capabilities as the Image Processor matures. You can find all of this easily by simply Googling. *istD series used Milbeaut version 3. K10D used Milbeaut version

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Makes sense to me. Although you appear to assume few things. E.g. it would seem that the newest engine was given to Pentax at its beta or pre-release stage so that Pentax could develop their system. It is because as you indicated the newest engine was made publicly available just recently. If such

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-02 Thread Darren Addy
I'm more than a little fuzzy on this, but I thought that was part of what firmware updates were for. The components (like the Imaging Processor) don't change, but the tuning and add'l features can be turned on via the updates. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Oh, you're absolutely right. It is just that personally, I rather sit this one out until they do their job. I did not mean to sound like anyone else should do the same, really. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than a little fuzzy on this, but I

New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Zos Xavius
Looks legit. Lots of speculation over the bump and larger prism assembly. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/238387-another-new-image-k-3-a.html No rounded canon look, ala K-50/K-500. In fact I think it looks downright sexy. Time to start dreaming.. -- PDML

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
Yep, that's got to be for realsies. It also appears that whoever did the bad photoshop job on the earlier K-3 image you shared HAD indeed seen one, to make some of the modifications he made (which appear to be accurate). We should only be a week to 10 days away from the official announcement. I

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
Every once in a while you find a comment on PF that makes a LOT of sense: If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder assembly will allow for: - a bigger viewfinder for the APS-C model -

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
pentaprism. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Darren Addy Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 3:38 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New K-3 Image Every once in a while you find a comment on PF that makes a LOT of sense: If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New K-3 Image Every once in a while you find a comment on PF that makes a LOT of sense: If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Zos Xavius
3:38 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New K-3 Image Every once in a while you find a comment on PF that makes a LOT of sense: If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Boris Liberman
It would be way cool if it accepted the same battery and the same grip as K-7, K-5, K-5ii(s)... Other than that - it is good to see that flagship is being truly updated. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Looks legit. Lots of speculation over the bump and

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
http://detail.zol.com.cn/334/333580/param.shtml If you use Chrome or otherwise translate that to english, it is stating 24MP and 27 AF points. It seems that Ricehigh has gotten one thing right (as seen in the comments). http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/safox-xi.html#idc-container Those of you

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
I'll put another guess out there that I haven't seen anyone make yet. I'll bet the K-3 has a faster-than-1/8000th shutter speed and a butt-kicking FPS continuous. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: http://detail.zol.com.cn/334/333580/param.shtml If you use

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Boris Liberman
I much rather Pentax really invented in alleged Prime III picture engine. If they merged the capabilities of Ricoh GXR in terms of tone and color to Pentax K-mount DSLRs - we may be up to a very pleasant surprise. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'll put

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Invented should read inveSted On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: I much rather Pentax really invented in alleged Prime III picture engine. If they merged the capabilities of Ricoh GXR in terms of tone and color to Pentax K-mount DSLRs - we may be up to a

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
Boris, the chinese page I linked to states in the K-3 specification: Image Processor : Prime III On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Invented should read inveSted On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: I much rather Pentax

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
Boris has hit on the perhaps the biggest upgrade that makes possible the K-3. What Pentax calls Prime III is actually 7th generation of the Milbeaut processor, which Fujitsu just made *public* in Sept. http://jp.fujitsu.com/group/fsl/en/release/20130904-1.html Of course, Fujitsu partners have

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread CollinB
The K-3 is going to be a *significant* upgrade from the K-5 family in many respect[s]. And upgrade is the word. These specs mean that it will not replace the K5 series cameras. It will surpass them. If Ricoh treats Pentax well, this level of upgrade could be a step toward pro-grade units to

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
Evolution: K-7 14.6MP Samsung sensor, PRIME II, 12-bit, Dynamic Range 10.6 EV K-5 16.3MP Sony sensor, PRIME II, 14 bit, Dynamic Range 14.1 EV (HUGE leap) K-3 24.3MP? Sony sensor, PRIME III, ???, ??? The 7th gen image processor claims The chip delivers greatly improved optical correction

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread P.J. Alling
If Ricewhine gets this right, he'll be a great pundit with inside information, while everyone forgets all of the other things he's gotten wrong, and his all too apparent suppressed Canon love. On 10/1/2013 10:34 AM, Darren Addy wrote: http://detail.zol.com.cn/334/333580/param.shtml If you

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread John Celio
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Looks legit. Lots of speculation over the bump and larger prism assembly. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/238387-another-new-image-k-3-a.html Here's my take on three notable differences between this and

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Bruce Walker
Marc Newson's token contribution? On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: - Lump under the K-3 logo. My first inclination is to assume this has something to do with the mechanism that flips the mirror up and down, such as a stronger motor to make it

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread CollinB
- Lump under the K-3 logo. My first inclination is to assume this has something to do with the mechanism that flips the mirror up and down, such as a stronger motor to make it move faster. I really don't know what it is, though. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it on a camera

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread P.J. Alling
On 10/1/2013 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Marc Newson's token contribution? On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: - Lump under the K-3 logo. My first inclination is to assume this has something to do with the mechanism that flips the mirror up and

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
Yeah, no, CollinB. O-GPS1 will not work with the 24MP sensor and so that the lump is the functionality of the O-GPS1 *built-in to the K-3 . On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:32 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: - Lump under the K-3 logo. My first inclination is to assume this has something

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread P.J. Alling
On 10/1/2013 2:32 PM, CollinB wrote: - Lump under the K-3 logo. My first inclination is to assume this has something to do with the mechanism that flips the mirror up and down, such as a stronger motor to make it move faster. I really don't know what it is, though. I don't think I've ever seen

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Zos Xavius
A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite Okay, so before the reality dampens the rampant speculation: The hump is a wifi receiver and sending unit. This is needed, because the LCD screen is removable and usable as a remote with full depth-of field preview as well as focus peaking.

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 03:02:56PM -0400, Zos Xavius wrote: A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite Okay, so before the reality dampens the rampant speculation: The hump is a wifi receiver and sending unit. This is needed, because the LCD screen is removable and usable as a

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread P.J. Alling
How perfectly silly, and requires that the rear screen have it's own independent power supply. I just don't buy that part. It's much more reasonable to suppose that if WiFi is involved that Ricoh would supply an APP/application for a tablet device, (Phone, iPad/Pod, etc.), or PC/MAC laptop or

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Zos Xavius
Yeah. Not all that practical, but awesome sounding IMO. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: How perfectly silly, and requires that the rear screen have it's own independent power supply. I just don't buy that part. It's much more reasonable to suppose

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
If we go back to the original fuzzy picture posted by Zos (which now appears to really be of the K-3 but with a different lens photoshopped on the front) and you look at the right side of that hump, you will see a thin line and what appears to be a larger slot at the bottom (for opening with a

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Zos Xavius
Possibly! The plot thickens LOL On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: If we go back to the original fuzzy picture posted by Zos (which now appears to really be of the K-3 but with a different lens photoshopped on the front) and you look at the right side

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread kwaller
A hump rumor Should have saved it for tomorrow when its.. HUMP DAY ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New K-3 Image A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Zos Xavius
zosxav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New K-3 Image A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite Okay, so before the reality dampens the rampant speculation: The hump is a wifi receiver and sending unit. This is needed, because the LCD screen is removable and usable as a remote with full

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
its.. HUMP DAY ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New K-3 Image A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite Okay, so before the reality dampens the rampant

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Darren Addy
have saved it for tomorrow when its.. HUMP DAY ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New K-3 Image A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite Okay, so before

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread P.J. Alling
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New K-3 Image A hump rumor Originally posted by moray-eel-bite Okay, so before the reality dampens the rampant speculation: The hump is a wifi receiver and sending unit. This is needed, because the LCD screen is removable and usable as a remote with full depth

Re: New K-3 Image

2013-10-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/1/2013 6:27 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Boris, the chinese page I linked to states in the K-3 specification: Image Processor : Prime III Yes, of course, Darren. But you see, all we know at this time for sure is the label on the processor. It could be that they just optimized/improved the