Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Zos Xavius]

The real danger lies in metal penetrating the cells and short
circuiting them instantly.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:25 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> The chemistry of old single-use batteries and modern rechargeable batteries
> is very different. You could, if you wanted to, cut an old battery in half
> without much happening.  That's not true of something like a lithium ion
> cell (as can easily be seen on youtube), so those tend to be enclosed in
> a reasonably strong airtight and watertight casing.  Old cells were not,
> so if the battery began to degrade you could end up with some fairly nasty
> chemicals forcing their way out of the battery and ending up all over the
> inside of whatever you were using the battery in.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 04:46:19PM -0400, Mark C wrote:
>> I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two
>> without a battery in it, so I left it in.
>>
>> On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>> >
>> > The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
>> > with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
>> > cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
>> > it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
>> > rechargeable batteries?
>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[John Francis]

The chemistry of old single-use batteries and modern rechargeable batteries
is very different. You could, if you wanted to, cut an old battery in half
without much happening.  That's not true of something like a lithium ion
cell (as can easily be seen on youtube), so those tend to be enclosed in
a reasonably strong airtight and watertight casing.  Old cells were not,
so if the battery began to degrade you could end up with some fairly nasty
chemicals forcing their way out of the battery and ending up all over the
inside of whatever you were using the battery in.


On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 04:46:19PM -0400, Mark C wrote:
> I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two
> without a battery in it, so I left it in.
> 
> On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > 
> > The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
> > with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
> > cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
> > it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
> > rechargeable batteries?
> 
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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[P. J. Alling]

But if you leave it long enough the battery will drain anyway. Better to 
be safe and setup the camera when you want to use it.



On 6/5/2017 4:46 PM, Mark C wrote:
I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two 
without a battery in it, so I left it in.


On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
rechargeable batteries? 






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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Mark C]

I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two 
without a battery in it, so I left it in.


On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
rechargeable batteries? 



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Re: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Zos Xavius]

Hah! Well to be fair with modern Li-Ion batteries this sort of thing
shouldn't be a problem if the battery is correctly manufactured.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dammit I forgot to use reply list again!
>
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message ----
> Subject:    Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q
> Date:   Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:23:41 -0400
> From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
> To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
> with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
> cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
> it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
> rechargeable batteries?
>
> On 6/5/2017 9:02 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> My k-3 died with a third party battery in it. I have no idea if that
>> was the problem or not. Never again though. Never again.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 6:38 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the contest winners at Grandfather Mountain this weekend was
>>> shooting with a borrowed camera because a third party battery had fried
>>> the mother board in her camera. I don't think she was a Pentax shooter.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/2017 05:33, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've had a DLI90 battery swell on the flat sides and get jammed inside
>>>> the camera.
>>>> So I first googled and found out what was inside the plastic shell.
>>>> Found it had two Lithium cells
>>>> connected to a tiny motherboard sitting on top.
>>>> So using a drill without caution would go through the motherboard and
>>>> perhaps cause problems.
>>>>
>>>> So I used a craft drill with a 2 mm drill bit at slow speed. I wrapped
>>>> a colored electrical tape 1.5 mm
>>>> from the tip which was about the thickness of the battery shell.
>>>>
>>>> Drilled gently to puncture the shell without touching the motherboard.
>>>>
>>>> Bent 2 #s 2 mm thick steel strip into L-shape and stuck them on top of
>>>> the battery in a T-shape with
>>>> Araldite Epoxy - slow curing type. Let it to cure for 24 hours.
>>>>
>>>> Then drooped just a wee bit of Singer Sewing Machine oil on both the
>>>> sides.
>>>>
>>>> Grabbed the steel strip and slowly pulled out the battery.
>>>>
>>>> The battery shell was swollen on the camera contact side.
>>>>
>>>> Before scrapping it I dared to charge it on a cheap ebay charger. Then
>>>> checked the voltage. Eureka
>>>> 8.4 volts. Checked for heat build up and there was none.
>>>>
>>>> Peeled the sticker on the swollen contact side and rubbed it down on
>>>> an Emery Sheet. Put it inside
>>>> the K-5, and voila the camera showed Full Charge and it was working.
>>>>
>>>> Better sense got hold of me and I scrapped this 3rd Party 3-year old
>>>> battery. Had won it on an evil bay
>>>> bid for $ 3.99. Lesson learnt - use good quality stuff like DSTE or
>>>> Wahabi for $ 6 to 9.
>>>>
>>>> Note: I have used some (9) #s 3rd Part Batteries on my K-20D, K-5 &
>>>> K-5 IIs with just this loss.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Bipin
>>>>
>>>> Photography focuses you to see things you may not notice otherwise.
>>>>
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Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[P. J. Alling]

Dammit I forgot to use reply list again!



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Subject:Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q
Date:   Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:23:41 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
rechargeable batteries?

On 6/5/2017 9:02 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

My k-3 died with a third party battery in it. I have no idea if that
was the problem or not. Never again though. Never again.

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 6:38 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:

One of the contest winners at Grandfather Mountain this weekend was
shooting with a borrowed camera because a third party battery had fried
the mother board in her camera. I don't think she was a Pentax shooter.


On 6/3/2017 05:33, Bipin Gupta wrote:

I've had a DLI90 battery swell on the flat sides and get jammed inside
the camera.
So I first googled and found out what was inside the plastic shell.
Found it had two Lithium cells
connected to a tiny motherboard sitting on top.
So using a drill without caution would go through the motherboard and
perhaps cause problems.

So I used a craft drill with a 2 mm drill bit at slow speed. I wrapped
a colored electrical tape 1.5 mm
from the tip which was about the thickness of the battery shell.

Drilled gently to puncture the shell without touching the motherboard.

Bent 2 #s 2 mm thick steel strip into L-shape and stuck them on top of
the battery in a T-shape with
Araldite Epoxy - slow curing type. Let it to cure for 24 hours.

Then drooped just a wee bit of Singer Sewing Machine oil on both the
sides.

Grabbed the steel strip and slowly pulled out the battery.

The battery shell was swollen on the camera contact side.

Before scrapping it I dared to charge it on a cheap ebay charger. Then
checked the voltage. Eureka
8.4 volts. Checked for heat build up and there was none.

Peeled the sticker on the swollen contact side and rubbed it down on
an Emery Sheet. Put it inside
the K-5, and voila the camera showed Full Charge and it was working.

Better sense got hold of me and I scrapped this 3rd Party 3-year old
battery. Had won it on an evil bay
bid for $ 3.99. Lesson learnt - use good quality stuff like DSTE or
Wahabi for $ 6 to 9.

Note: I have used some (9) #s 3rd Part Batteries on my K-20D, K-5 &
K-5 IIs with just this loss.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Zos Xavius]

My k-3 died with a third party battery in it. I have no idea if that
was the problem or not. Never again though. Never again.

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 6:38 PM, John  wrote:
> One of the contest winners at Grandfather Mountain this weekend was
> shooting with a borrowed camera because a third party battery had fried
> the mother board in her camera. I don't think she was a Pentax shooter.
>
>
> On 6/3/2017 05:33, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>>
>> I've had a DLI90 battery swell on the flat sides and get jammed inside
>> the camera.
>> So I first googled and found out what was inside the plastic shell.
>> Found it had two Lithium cells
>> connected to a tiny motherboard sitting on top.
>> So using a drill without caution would go through the motherboard and
>> perhaps cause problems.
>>
>> So I used a craft drill with a 2 mm drill bit at slow speed. I wrapped
>> a colored electrical tape 1.5 mm
>> from the tip which was about the thickness of the battery shell.
>>
>> Drilled gently to puncture the shell without touching the motherboard.
>>
>> Bent 2 #s 2 mm thick steel strip into L-shape and stuck them on top of
>> the battery in a T-shape with
>> Araldite Epoxy - slow curing type. Let it to cure for 24 hours.
>>
>> Then drooped just a wee bit of Singer Sewing Machine oil on both the
>> sides.
>>
>> Grabbed the steel strip and slowly pulled out the battery.
>>
>> The battery shell was swollen on the camera contact side.
>>
>> Before scrapping it I dared to charge it on a cheap ebay charger. Then
>> checked the voltage. Eureka
>> 8.4 volts. Checked for heat build up and there was none.
>>
>> Peeled the sticker on the swollen contact side and rubbed it down on
>> an Emery Sheet. Put it inside
>> the K-5, and voila the camera showed Full Charge and it was working.
>>
>> Better sense got hold of me and I scrapped this 3rd Party 3-year old
>> battery. Had won it on an evil bay
>> bid for $ 3.99. Lesson learnt - use good quality stuff like DSTE or
>> Wahabi for $ 6 to 9.
>>
>> Note: I have used some (9) #s 3rd Part Batteries on my K-20D, K-5 &
>> K-5 IIs with just this loss.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Bipin
>>
>> Photography focuses you to see things you may not notice otherwise.
>>
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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[John]

One of the contest winners at Grandfather Mountain this weekend was
shooting with a borrowed camera because a third party battery had fried
the mother board in her camera. I don't think she was a Pentax shooter.

On 6/3/2017 05:33, Bipin Gupta wrote:

I've had a DLI90 battery swell on the flat sides and get jammed inside
the camera.
So I first googled and found out what was inside the plastic shell.
Found it had two Lithium cells
connected to a tiny motherboard sitting on top.
So using a drill without caution would go through the motherboard and
perhaps cause problems.

So I used a craft drill with a 2 mm drill bit at slow speed. I wrapped
a colored electrical tape 1.5 mm
from the tip which was about the thickness of the battery shell.

Drilled gently to puncture the shell without touching the motherboard.

Bent 2 #s 2 mm thick steel strip into L-shape and stuck them on top of
the battery in a T-shape with
Araldite Epoxy - slow curing type. Let it to cure for 24 hours.

Then drooped just a wee bit of Singer Sewing Machine oil on both the sides.

Grabbed the steel strip and slowly pulled out the battery.

The battery shell was swollen on the camera contact side.

Before scrapping it I dared to charge it on a cheap ebay charger. Then
checked the voltage. Eureka
8.4 volts. Checked for heat build up and there was none.

Peeled the sticker on the swollen contact side and rubbed it down on
an Emery Sheet. Put it inside
the K-5, and voila the camera showed Full Charge and it was working.

Better sense got hold of me and I scrapped this 3rd Party 3-year old
battery. Had won it on an evil bay
bid for $ 3.99. Lesson learnt - use good quality stuff like DSTE or
Wahabi for $ 6 to 9.

Note: I have used some (9) #s 3rd Part Batteries on my K-20D, K-5 &
K-5 IIs with just this loss.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

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Didn't mean that to be a response to mark's post..

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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Zos Xavius]

Drilling into the battery is probably a really bad idea and will
likely make your problem worse or even start an uncontrollable fire.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> If the freezer doesn't shrink the battery I might try this approach, though
> I think I'd prefer Paul's idea re gluing a handle to the battery. The
> problem with that approach is that the battery surface is small and a
> miscalculation on the amount of glue would probably just glue it in place.
>
> I can see setting up a piece of plexiglass between my face and the battery -
> mounting the plexi with plastic spring clamps that could easily be mounted
> onto a tripod. Heavy leather leather gloves for my hands and  maybe a couple
> wet towels on my arms while doing the drilling and inserting screws might
> cover things.
>
> Only concern is with the battery exploding. You mention that the battery
> might explode if not vented - given that the battery is enclosed on 5 sides
> by the Q's battery compartment, I assume there is a chance of it exploding
> with the exposed side (what I would be drilling into) being the vector for
> the blast. That does not sound appealing.
>
> I'll think about it. I watched some videos of people blowing up lithium
> batteries and was surprised at how forceful they can be. But these were
> folks dropping the batteries in front of blow torches. But buying a
> replacement camera for $150 or just selling off my lenses and exiting the
> system may be better options.
>
> I hope it just shrinks in the cold overnight.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 6/2/2017 7:33 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>> Ouch, you're between a rock and a hard place there. If it was me I
>> would take the brutal approach, the battery is toast so I would opt to
>> destroy the battery however there is a danger to it. If you open the
>> battery and it gets sufficient oxygen even if discharged it can
>> spontaneously combust (burn, not generally explode if there is a
>> vent).
>>
>> I would take it outside and bring a drill, electric screw driver, a
>> screw with good deep thread, a pair of robust pliers and a drill bit
>> slightly smaller than the screw. Drill into the battery, quickly screw
>> the screw in and yank the lot out. Otherwise send it in for service
>> (where they would very likely do exactly the same thing).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 June 2017 at 08:20, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Paul - sounds like it might work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/2/2017 5:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You might be able to attach a handle of sorts with two/part epoxy. I
>>>> would
>>>> rough up the battery surface a bit first.
>>>>
>>>> Paul via phone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been
>>>>> sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is
>>>>> installed
>>>>> in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know any
>>>>> tricks to
>>>>> removing a swollen battery?
>>>>>
>>>>> The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but
>>>>> has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was
>>>>> able
>>>>> to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let me
>>>>> pull on
>>>>> it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not so strong.
>>>>> Here
>>>>> is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a
>>>>> straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage
>>>>> while
>>>>> holding the latch in the open position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it
>>>>> to
>>>>> shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or
>>>>> so
>>>>> hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there
>>>>> overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the
>>>>> belief
>>>>> that it gives them new 

Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Bipin Gupta]

I've had a DLI90 battery swell on the flat sides and get jammed inside
the camera.
So I first googled and found out what was inside the plastic shell.
Found it had two Lithium cells
connected to a tiny motherboard sitting on top.
So using a drill without caution would go through the motherboard and
perhaps cause problems.

So I used a craft drill with a 2 mm drill bit at slow speed. I wrapped
a colored electrical tape 1.5 mm
from the tip which was about the thickness of the battery shell.

Drilled gently to puncture the shell without touching the motherboard.

Bent 2 #s 2 mm thick steel strip into L-shape and stuck them on top of
the battery in a T-shape with
Araldite Epoxy - slow curing type. Let it to cure for 24 hours.

Then drooped just a wee bit of Singer Sewing Machine oil on both the sides.

Grabbed the steel strip and slowly pulled out the battery.

The battery shell was swollen on the camera contact side.

Before scrapping it I dared to charge it on a cheap ebay charger. Then
checked the voltage. Eureka
8.4 volts. Checked for heat build up and there was none.

Peeled the sticker on the swollen contact side and rubbed it down on
an Emery Sheet. Put it inside
the K-5, and voila the camera showed Full Charge and it was working.

Better sense got hold of me and I scrapped this 3rd Party 3-year old
battery. Had won it on an evil bay
bid for $ 3.99. Lesson learnt - use good quality stuff like DSTE or
Wahabi for $ 6 to 9.

Note: I have used some (9) #s 3rd Part Batteries on my K-20D, K-5 &
K-5 IIs with just this loss.

Regards.
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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Mark C]

If the freezer doesn't shrink the battery I might try this approach, 
though I think I'd prefer Paul's idea re gluing a handle to the battery. 
The problem with that approach is that the battery surface is small and 
a miscalculation on the amount of glue would probably just glue it in place.


I can see setting up a piece of plexiglass between my face and the 
battery - mounting the plexi with plastic spring clamps that could 
easily be mounted onto a tripod. Heavy leather leather gloves for my 
hands and  maybe a couple wet towels on my arms while doing the drilling 
and inserting screws might cover things.


Only concern is with the battery exploding. You mention that the battery 
might explode if not vented - given that the battery is enclosed on 5 
sides by the Q's battery compartment, I assume there is a chance of it 
exploding with the exposed side (what I would be drilling into) being 
the vector for the blast. That does not sound appealing.


I'll think about it. I watched some videos of people blowing up lithium 
batteries and was surprised at how forceful they can be. But these were 
folks dropping the batteries in front of blow torches. But buying a 
replacement camera for $150 or just selling off my lenses and exiting 
the system may be better options.


I hope it just shrinks in the cold overnight.

Mark

On 6/2/2017 7:33 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Ouch, you're between a rock and a hard place there. If it was me I
would take the brutal approach, the battery is toast so I would opt to
destroy the battery however there is a danger to it. If you open the
battery and it gets sufficient oxygen even if discharged it can
spontaneously combust (burn, not generally explode if there is a
vent).

I would take it outside and bring a drill, electric screw driver, a
screw with good deep thread, a pair of robust pliers and a drill bit
slightly smaller than the screw. Drill into the battery, quickly screw
the screw in and yank the lot out. Otherwise send it in for service
(where they would very likely do exactly the same thing).



On 3 June 2017 at 08:20, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:

Thanks, Paul - sounds like it might work.


On 6/2/2017 5:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

You might be able to attach a handle of sorts with two/part epoxy. I would
rough up the battery surface a bit first.

Paul via phone


On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:

Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been
sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is installed
in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know any tricks to
removing a swollen battery?

The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but
has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was able
to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let me pull on
it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not so strong. Here
is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9

I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a
straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage while
holding the latch in the open position.

Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it to
shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or so
hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there
overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the belief
that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds like
freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries require some
caution, so sinking a small screw into it to get enough leverage to pull it
out is not an option.

A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the shop
is not an option.

Any suggestions?

Mark



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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[P. J. Alling]

If it were anything other than a lithium battery I'd suggest drilling a 
small relief hole in the battery base.  That might relieve some pressure 
and allow the battery to shrink a bit. However releasing the stuff 
inside a lithium battery is probably one of the worst things you could 
do for your immediate environment.



On 6/2/2017 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:
Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been 
sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is 
installed in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody 
know any tricks to removing a swollen battery?


The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber 
but has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I 
was able to get a needle under the label so I have something that will 
let me pull on it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is 
not so strong. Here is a photo of the battery with needle under the 
label:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9 



I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a 
straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage 
while holding the latch in the open position.


Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it 
to shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour 
or so hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in 
there overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on 
the belief that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and 
it sounds like freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium 
batteries require some caution, so sinking a small screw into it to 
get enough leverage to pull it out is not an option.


A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the 
shop is not an option.


Any suggestions?

Mark






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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Paul Stenquist]

I would probably go Rob's way, wearing safety goggles. Would be nice if you had 
a face mask like drag racing funny car drivers wear. But I would guess you will 
experience no serious problems.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 2, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Rob Studdert <distudio.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ouch, you're between a rock and a hard place there. If it was me I
> would take the brutal approach, the battery is toast so I would opt to
> destroy the battery however there is a danger to it. If you open the
> battery and it gets sufficient oxygen even if discharged it can
> spontaneously combust (burn, not generally explode if there is a
> vent).
> 
> I would take it outside and bring a drill, electric screw driver, a
> screw with good deep thread, a pair of robust pliers and a drill bit
> slightly smaller than the screw. Drill into the battery, quickly screw
> the screw in and yank the lot out. Otherwise send it in for service
> (where they would very likely do exactly the same thing).
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 June 2017 at 08:20, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, Paul - sounds like it might work.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/2/2017 5:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> 
>>> You might be able to attach a handle of sorts with two/part epoxy. I would
>>> rough up the battery surface a bit first.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been
>>>> sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is installed
>>>> in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know any tricks 
>>>> to
>>>> removing a swollen battery?
>>>> 
>>>> The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but
>>>> has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was able
>>>> to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let me pull 
>>>> on
>>>> it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not so strong. Here
>>>> is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9
>>>> 
>>>> I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a
>>>> straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage while
>>>> holding the latch in the open position.
>>>> 
>>>> Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it to
>>>> shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or so
>>>> hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there
>>>> overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the belief
>>>> that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds like
>>>> freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries require some
>>>> caution, so sinking a small screw into it to get enough leverage to pull it
>>>> out is not an option.
>>>> 
>>>> A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the shop
>>>> is not an option.
>>>> 
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Rob Studdert]

Ouch, you're between a rock and a hard place there. If it was me I
would take the brutal approach, the battery is toast so I would opt to
destroy the battery however there is a danger to it. If you open the
battery and it gets sufficient oxygen even if discharged it can
spontaneously combust (burn, not generally explode if there is a
vent).

I would take it outside and bring a drill, electric screw driver, a
screw with good deep thread, a pair of robust pliers and a drill bit
slightly smaller than the screw. Drill into the battery, quickly screw
the screw in and yank the lot out. Otherwise send it in for service
(where they would very likely do exactly the same thing).



On 3 June 2017 at 08:20, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> Thanks, Paul - sounds like it might work.
>
>
> On 6/2/2017 5:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> You might be able to attach a handle of sorts with two/part epoxy. I would
>> rough up the battery surface a bit first.
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been
>>> sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is installed
>>> in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know any tricks to
>>> removing a swollen battery?
>>>
>>> The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but
>>> has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was able
>>> to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let me pull on
>>> it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not so strong. Here
>>> is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9
>>>
>>> I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a
>>> straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage while
>>> holding the latch in the open position.
>>>
>>> Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it to
>>> shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or so
>>> hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there
>>> overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the belief
>>> that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds like
>>> freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries require some
>>> caution, so sinking a small screw into it to get enough leverage to pull it
>>> out is not an option.
>>>
>>> A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the shop
>>> is not an option.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Mark C]

Thanks, Paul - sounds like it might work.

On 6/2/2017 5:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

You might be able to attach a handle of sorts with two/part epoxy. I would 
rough up the battery surface a bit first.

Paul via phone


On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:

Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been sitting in 
the bag for some time. The third party battery that is installed in it appears 
to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know any tricks to removing a 
swollen battery?

The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but has a 
label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was able to get a 
needle under the label so I have something that will let me pull on it, but it 
seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not so strong. Here is a photo of 
the battery with needle under the label:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9

I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a straight 
pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage while holding the 
latch in the open position.

Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it to 
shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or so 
hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there overnight. 
From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the belief that it gives 
them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds like freezing the 
battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries require some caution, so 
sinking a small screw into it to get enough leverage to pull it out is not an 
option.

A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the shop is not 
an option.

Any suggestions?

Mark



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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Mark C]

The short sides are stuck as well. All I can do is get a small needle 
down the corners, where the battery is slightly rounded but the 
compartment is square, but that doesn't allow for any leverage.


On 6/2/2017 5:54 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

Ouch.
Did you try a pair of needles or pointy blades to its short sides to lever it 
out?
Jostein

Den 2. juni 2017 23.46.47 CEST, skrev Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net>:

Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been
sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is
installed in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody
know
any tricks to removing a swollen battery?

The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but

has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was
able to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let
me pull on it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not
so strong. Here is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9

I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a
straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage
while holding the latch in the open position.

Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it
to
shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or
so hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there
overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the
belief
that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds
like freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries
require some caution, so sinking a small screw into it to get enough
leverage to pull it out is not an option.

A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the
shop
is not an option.

Any suggestions?

Mark




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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Paul Stenquist]

You might be able to attach a handle of sorts with two/part epoxy. I would 
rough up the battery surface a bit first.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been sitting 
> in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is installed in it 
> appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know any tricks to 
> removing a swollen battery?
> 
> The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but has a 
> label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was able to get a 
> needle under the label so I have something that will let me pull on it, but 
> it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not so strong. Here is a 
> photo of the battery with needle under the label:
> 
> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9
> 
> I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a straight 
> pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage while holding 
> the latch in the open position.
> 
> Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it to 
> shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or so 
> hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there overnight. 
> From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the belief that it gives 
> them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds like freezing the 
> battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries require some caution, so 
> sinking a small screw into it to get enough leverage to pull it out is not an 
> option.
> 
> A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the shop is 
> not an option.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Jostein Øksne]

Ouch.
Did you try a pair of needles or pointy blades to its short sides to lever it 
out?
Jostein 

Den 2. juni 2017 23.46.47 CEST, skrev Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net>:
>Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been 
>sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is 
>installed in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody
>know 
>any tricks to removing a swollen battery?
>
>The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but
>
>has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was 
>able to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let 
>me pull on it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not 
>so strong. Here is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:
>
>http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9
>
>I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a 
>straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage 
>while holding the latch in the open position.
>
>Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it
>to 
>shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or 
>so hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there 
>overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the
>belief 
>that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds 
>like freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries 
>require some caution, so sinking a small screw into it to get enough 
>leverage to pull it out is not an option.
>
>A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the
>shop 
>is not an option.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Mark

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Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Mark C]

Jostein's post motivated me to pull out my Pentax Q, which has been 
sitting in the bag for some time. The third party battery that is 
installed in it appears to have swollen and is stuck tight. Anybody know 
any tricks to removing a swollen battery?


The battery is pressed very firmly against the sides of the chamber but 
has a label that wraps around the two large sides and the back. I was 
able to get a needle under the label so I have something that will let 
me pull on it, but it seems to be wedged in tight and the label is not 
so strong. Here is a photo of the battery with needle under the label:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-q-stuck-battery?blog=9

I can tied some fishing line around each end of the needle to get a 
straight pull on the battery - its a little difficult to get leverage 
while holding the latch in the open position.


Given how tightly its stuck I'm wondering if there is a way to get it to 
shrink, at least temporarily. I stuck it in the freezer for an hour or 
so hoping it would shrink, but so far no luck. I'll leave it in there 
overnight. From what I read people freeze laptop batteries on the belief 
that it gives them new life (learn something every day) and it sounds 
like freezing the battery is safe. But otherwise litihium batteries 
require some caution, so sinking a small screw into it to get enough 
leverage to pull it out is not an option.


A used body would probably cost less than a repair, so going to the shop 
is not an option.


Any suggestions?

Mark



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