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THE NEW WORLD OIL ORDER:
HUGO CHAVEZ TELLS BBC, WE HAVE MORE OIL THAN SAUDI ARABIA

By Meirion Jones
Producer, BBC Newsnight
Monday April 3, 2006

If you thought high oil prices were just a blip think again. In an
exclusive interview with Greg Palast for BBC Newsnight the Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez has ruled out any return to the era of cheap oil.

The colourful Venezuelan leader hosts the OPEC meeting on June 1 in
Caracas and he will ask OPEC to set $50 a barrel - the average price last
year - as the long term level. During the 1990s the price of oil had
hovered around the $20 mark falling as low as $10 a barrel in early 1999.

Chavez told Newsnight "we're trying to find an equilibrium. The price of
oil could remain at the low level of $50. That's a fair price it's not a
high price". Hugo Chavez will have added clout at this OPEC meeting.

US Department of Energy analyses seen by Newsnight show that at $50 a
barrel Venezuela - not Saudi Arabia - will have the biggest oil reserves
in OPEC. Venezuela has vast deposits of extra heavy oil in the Orinoco.
Traditionally these have not been counted because at $20 a barrel they
were too expensive to exploit - but at $50 a barrel melting them into
liquid petroleum becomes extremely profitable.

The US DoE report shows that at today's prices Venezuela's oil reserves
are bigger than those of the entire Middle East including Saudi Arabia,
the Gulf states, Iran and Iraq. The US DoE also identifies Canada as
another future oil superpower. Venezuela's deposits alone could extend the
oil age for another 100 years.

The US DoE estimates that Chavez controls 1.3 trillion barrels of oil -
more than the entire declared oil reserves of the rest of the planet. Hugo
Chavez told Newsnight's Greg Palast that "Venezuela has the largest oil
reserves in the world. In the future Venezuela won't have any more oil -
but that's in the 22nd century. Venezuela has oil for 200 years." Chavez
will ask the OPEC meeting in June to formally accept that Venezuela's
reserves are now bigger than Saudi Arabia's.

Chavez's increased muscle will not go down well in Washington. In 2002 the
Bush administration welcomed an attempted coup against Chavez. He told
Newsnight that the Americans had organised it in an attempt to get hold of
Venezuela's oil.

Ironically by invading Iraq George Bush has boosted oil prices and
effectively transferred billions of dollars from American consumers to
Chavez. Up to $200 million a day - half of it from the US - is flooding
into Caracas. Chavez is spending this on building infrastructure and
increasing the minimum wage and improving health and education in the poor
ranchos which surround the cities. As a result even his opponents accept
that Chavez is extremely popular and will easily win the next Presidential
election in December.

Chavez is also spending billions in the rest of Latin America - exchanging
contracts for oil tankers and infrastructure projects and buying up loans
in Argentina and Brazil. He has made cheap oil deals with Ecuador and the
Caribbean.

He has also spent some of the dollars which have come in from the US
supporting Fidel Castro in Cuba. In return Cuba has supplied the thousands
of doctors and teachers who are transforming conditions in the barrios of
Caracas. Washington accuses Chavez of buying influence in Latin America.

The Newsnight team had to endure the long speeches and marathon six hour
TV shows which Hugo Chavez delights in. Chavez posed for Newsnight posing
with the sword of Simon Bolivar the 18th century liberator who drove out
Spanish imperialists from South America. The symbolism was clear but
behind the showman is a clever political brain.

Chavez has not invaded any foreign countries. He does not have secret
prisons at home or abroad. Chavez has repeatedly won democratic elections
and the opposition operates freely although some members have been charged
with accepting illegal foreign donations. Nonetheless George Bush's
administration repeatedly targets Chavez on human rights and finances his
opponents.

Earlier this year US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld compared Chavez to
Hitler - because he was elected democratically - and last year the
influential American evangelist Pat Robertson called for his
assassination. Robertson later apologized and said that he did not
"necessarily" have to be killed so long as he was kidnapped by American
special forces.

Chavez told Newsnight that he was still concerned that George Bush had not
learnt the lessons of Iraq and would order an invasion to try to secure
Venezuela's oil. "I pray this will not happen because US soldiers will
bite the dust and so will we, Venezuelans". He warned that any such
attempt would lead to a prolonged guerilla war and an end to oil
production. "The US people should know there will be no oil for anyone".

Chavez does not accept Tony Blair's criticism of him for lining up with
Fidel Castro. He told Newsnight "if someone is sleeping together it is
Bush and Blair. They share the same bed."

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