[this article points up an interesting fact: the Tories are unable to play on the
traditional Atlanticist theme tunes which have served them so well in the past, and
hence are trailing by 20+ points in the polls. Why is this? Behind electoral
cynicism and apathy, a sea-change has happened: now
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The Rise of the West -- or Not critique of Eurocentrism by Professor
Jack Goldstone Introduction to Goldstone Debating Andre Gunder Frank's
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
Like to read her exact words. Know she likes the good life,
Columbia's salary, speaking tours, expensive Indian garments,
servant baths and all.
So should she wear a hair shirt and live on table scraps instead?
Doug
Columbia faculty get servant baths?
Gee. Inequality
The point of Marx's critique of the so-called primitive accumulation (and
people too often miss the significance of the phrase so-called) is that
no amount of accumulation, whether from outright theft, from imperialism,
from commercial profit, or even from the exploitation of labor for
commercial
And the farmers would earn $1 per day? We would be drilling the entire
Cal. coastline. We would no longer export toxic wastes ... Big change
in quality of life/standard of living, as you have insisted in pushing
the benefits of trade.
Brad DeLong wrote:
One thing is clear: if trade with
Furuhashi:
Brenner can't be in support of both stagism socialism from below
at the same time.
What on earth are you talking about? Brenner was connected with the
Analytical Marxist current before it gave up the ghost. These people, G.A.
Cohen et al, are Second Internationalists in cap and
didnt see a post on this so far, and for those who may not yet
have heard: sen. jefferts of vermont has left the republican
party, as predicted, as outlined in his press conference this
morning. of particular interest is that he slammed bush's
education policy. this of course gives the
This proves how much useful knowledge there is on pen-l
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Subject: [PEN-L:12063] Killing Clippy
RE this god-damned little paperclip animation that keeps
Ellen, prediction is very difficult. From my own experience, every time I
try to imagine the democratic strategy, they behave more
stupidly/spinelessly than I could have dreamed.
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:57:01AM -0400, Ellen Frank wrote:
It has always seemed to me that conservative
There is no Dem who would not prefer to be
in the majority, given the power implied by
committee chairmanships and control over
legislative resources. The centrist Dems
will be more powerful, not less.
A big problem is the unreconstructed Repugs
in the House. Their intransigence could mean
I see. Brenner is, or was, an AM. Gerry Cohen, ditto. Cohen is a stagist (he
is, actually). So Brenner is. Lou, did anyone tell you that affirming the
consequent is a fallacy when you back reading James Joyce, superior being
that you are? I am, or was, an AM, too: am I a stagist, even if I
I see. Brenner expressly rejects the primacy of the productive forces; he
builds his whole project around criticizing this, but he's implicitly
committed to it because he rejects autarky. You still haven't answered the
question about socialism from below. Nor have you explained why it is
I am having trouble falling exactly what is going on in this discussion.
The noise of rhetoric is muffling much of the signal.
It has been a long time since I read Brenner on the transformation of the
British countryside. I don't recall that being particularly stagist.
The relationship between
Lou says:
Furuhashi:
Brenner can't be in support of both stagism socialism from below
at the same time.
What on earth are you talking about? Brenner was connected with the
Analytical Marxist current before it gave up the ghost. These people, G.A.
Cohen et al, are Second Internationalists in
Why this dismissal/expulsion of the poor and the minorities of
China? His thesis demands it. The Williams school neglects them.
Europe has been proven guilty. The left has accepted the People's
Republic conviction that the non-Han regions are inalienable parts
of China. The great Czarist
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
Like to read her exact words. Know she likes the good life,
Columbia's salary, speaking tours, expensive Indian garments,
servant baths and all.
So should she wear a hair shirt and live on table scraps instead?
Doug
Columbia faculty get servant
Max Sawicky wrote:
Seems to me Doug's question is what is the
effect of the extra X on the growth rate.
No, I'm not that vulgar, claims to the contrary. I was looking for
some kind of qualitative and quantitative account of the contribution
of imperialism to the maintenance of First World
Yoshie wrote:
Folks who speak of socialism from below (in reaction against the CP
tradition, democratic centralism, etc.) aren't among Second Internationalists.
Right. The social democracy of the 2nd International emphasizes the role of
parliamentary representatives, party functionaries, and
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Ricardo is implying that if you are born rich in the Third World,
you are of necessity forever trapped in the aristocratic ideology of
enjoying leisure dependence upon servants, moreover endorsing the
social relations that give you many servants who wait upon you,
Imperialism 101
(Chapter 1 of Against Empire by Michael Parenti)
What is called underdevelopment is a set of social relations that has
been forcefully imposed on countries. With the advent of the Western
colonizers, the peoples of the Third World were actually set back in their
development
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Doug Henwood wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Ricardo is implying that if you are born rich in the Third World,
you are of necessity forever trapped in the aristocratic ideology of
enjoying leisure dependence upon servants, moreover endorsing the
social relations that
Stephen E Philion wrote:
I had the chance out here in Hawaii to see Harvey and Spivak speak last
month. Harvey, as dry as his speaking style is, was clearly making links
between issues of globalization, culture, envronment and political
economy. Spivak's talk was very frustrating on the other
One of the explanations for the poor quality of Woody Allen's movies, Saul
Bellow's novels, etc., is that when you become a mega-star, an editor or
critic has a tendency to fawn over everything that is produced because of
prior reputation. Since these artists are ego-driven to begin with, you
The Big Boys she meant were left political economists and such, not
the ruling class. But you're right that her comments on political
economy aren't any great shakes.
Doug
Spivak isn't a political economist, but she's willing to engage
political economy. Her work and informed critique of
Aidan Foster-Carter, "Foster-Carter, Aidan (1978) "The Modes of Production Controversy," New Left Review, 107,
January-February.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Aidan+Foster-Carter+articulation+of+modes+of+production+New+Left+Review
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Michael Perelman wrote:
Keynes, Treatise on Money
139: The booty brought back by Drake in the Golden Hind may fairly be
considered
the fountain and origin of British foreign investment. Elizabeth paid off
out of
the proceeds the whole of her foreign debt and invested a part of the
balance
The issue is that Laclau was not putting forth a position, as you
originally
claimed, that third world economies were, en toto, pre-capitalist or
feudalist [whichever you prefer], but that they involved articulations of
capitalist and other modes of production. The only position in the
http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticleartid=58
Feudalism
Bibliography
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Subject: [PEN-L:12145] Re: Reply to
Brenner/Wood, part 2
The
Well no, but since you characterize Wood's students in such a sneering
fashion, I was just wondering if you characterize Comninel in that
fashion. After all, he was Wood's student and had a good working
relationship with her.
Steve
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
I dunno, I seem to
I don't do utility.
Not even between consenting adults? Mutually beneficial and desired acts?
And the farmers would earn $1 per day?
Labor remains a scarce factor in the U.S. Coffee gets very expensive...
We would be drilling the entire
Cal. coastline.
Indonesia and Nigeria aside, we don't import oil from poor countries.
We import oil from rich countries.
Big change
in quality of
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Louis wrote:
Why can't we discuss questions such as whether the colonial 'mita' was
feudal or capitalist rather than who I admire or don't admire.
Wow, a 180 degree turn! and I'm glad. Before, Louis' main concern seemed to
be
Many thanks to Justin for the corrections and clarifications. I am
pretty sure that the jury system was in use in Anglo-Saxon England, in
the form however of the hundreds. Regardless of the form it took juries
are a decentralization of power. It is true, as Justin points out,
that the juries
You make it sound like these are bad things. Yes, life and liberty
depend on skill in rhetoric. That is preferable to dependence on skill
in shooting and stabbing. Let us not ignore the development of the
meaning of the word rhetoric. In the 20th Century certain evil men
successfully associated
I recommend Norman Cantor's Imagining the Law to all. Cantor is a cranky
right wing medeivalist of note who is a Marxist malgre lui --his account his
pure historical materialist, but he doesn't know this. He writes in a
a deceptively colloquial and accessible style, and, from what I can tell,
I and my fellow common lawyers are certainly flattered by the idea
that we
have the best justice system in the world. It's a prejudice that is
part of
the ideological underpinnings of my trade. However, I really doubt
that it
is true. I suspect the Code systems of Europe are just fine. I
In a message dated 5/24/2001 9:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[] The origination (usually relative
onset) of most things on a major scale has a macro timing factor, a fatal
counterevidentiary suspicion of the basic wrongness of all views of
cultural
evolution
At 24/05/01 15:02 -0700, you wrote:
I do not want to call a halt to this debate. A good number of people seem
to be interested.
But, I am worried when a discussion centers so much on personalities
rather than ideas. Whether somebody is an academic superstar or a naive
Trotskeyist or any of the
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