This is for all those who take themselves far too seriously, and the rest
who need a little relief from those who take themselves far too seriously.
Cyber Culture - Many times forwarded, copied, and resposted.
POE REVISITED
Regarding the ongoing EU-versus-NAFTA discussion:
What has been the experience of the trinational labor and environmental
bodies established by NAFTA? As I recall, the Clinton administration
appointed a number of left-of-center individuals to the environmental
organization, including persons
I don't like the identification of polemic with testosterone.
Doug! Lighten up!
Maggie and Elaine have raised important issues. One of the ways
they raise these issues is with a bit of gentle chaffing. Of course
polemic per se is not the same as testosterone, but there *are* problems
Friends,
I'd like to second the views of Steven and Michael about failure to respond
to many of the postings. I find much of what crosses the screen to be
fascinating and I often print it out for later consideration. Sometimes I
suppose we like to display our knowledge, and sometimes the
On Thu, 15 May 1997, Michael Perelman wrote:
snip
I often hear people express disappointment that their postings seem to
fall flat. Nobody responds. The reason is not necessarily
disinterest. It can also be that the post makes a point so well that
nothing more need be said.
This is
Elaine Bernard wrote:
Holy Binary Males, Doug. So, there are only
two approaches to network discourse, excessive violence
and excessive length (you boastful fellow) or silence.
No Elaine, it's exactly my point that there should be more than these two
binarily (?) opposed, gendered caricatures.
On Thu, 15 May 1997, Elaine Bernard wrote:
snip
Did anyone notice that one of the few
exceptions in NAFTA is the special status
given to breweries and beer.
Mexican tequila and Tennessee whiskey also get special treatment.
Steven Zahniser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, Breweries are a very interesting example
of the expansion and contraction and "niche"
marketing evolution of an industry. The first
breweries were local. Refrigeration and bottling
technology made possible regional beers.
Breweries were the first businesses to hire
full time lobbists
Max says: 'On the whole the EU project is more negative than positive in
content'.
Well, that depends on what you compare it with. For the last ten years, the
very few (and limited) advances in workers rghts in Britain are all ones
that orginated in the EU and which Thatcher and Major were
On Thu, May 15, 1997 at 09:40:22 (PST) Wojtek Sokolowski writes:
RE: Bill Lear:
...
I guess my own thinking goes on a much lower level of abstraction. What
really interests me is how different people perceive and use social
institutions, rather than how such institutions are labeled. From
Holy Binary Males, Doug. So, there are only
two approaches to network discourse, excessive violence
and excessive length (you boastful fellow) or silence.
And if the excessive, aggressive types ( of both male and female
persuasion) retreat, we'll be left to boring, nurturing
network syllabus
**
Ron Baiman
Dept. of Economics
Roosevelt UniversityFax: 312-341-3680
430 Michigan Ave
Chicago, Illinois 60605 Voice: 312-341-3694
**
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Ajit Sinha wrote:
Ron, I don't
Marshall Feldman wrote:
Now there's a
resurgence of local breweries, but their market share is small and
production does not have to be local. The "local" content is the recipe.
For instance, I think Boston's Sam Adams is brewed under license in PA.
Sam Adam's is, I believe, part of a
Hey, Marshall, Taco Bell (whose food is not produced locally, I presume)
has outlets in Mexico!
Sid
I wouldn't be surprised if some tortillas are shipped frozen across country.
Maybe the Hispanic population in LA can tell the difference, but how come
you can buy tortillas in Cleveland?
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Elaine Bernard wrote:
Anyway, before the lads get all self-conscious (we should
be so lucky) I was just trying to comment on my
perception about the lack of women's participation
on Pen-L (which I believe is a problem, and yes I do
recognize that I have a role as do the rest of you
in trying to
The Financial Times (5/15/97) reports that two Sinn Fein MPs (Gerry Adams,
party president, and Martin McGuinness, chief negotiator) were told they
would be denied access to parliamentary facilities and privileges unless
they took the oath of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker of the House
Right on Maggie, not surprising, you understood completely
what I was saying. Maybe it's a "girl thing" -- ok, yes,
that is a joke guys.
There is in fact, another action which women (and some
men too take) which is to have "off line," private
discussions. A colleague of mine (yes, I admit to
This is to let people on this list know that I shall
be removing myself from all internet lists for the
remainder of this calendar year. Until August 5 I shall be
accessible at my regular email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From August 5 to December 29 I expect to be email
incommunicado.
6. It would be helpful to take a more differentiated view. Not all
industries are equal with respect to their vulnerability to globalization.
Tortilla mfg. in LA can't be relocated because the market requires and
demands daily delivery of fresh product. Pool cleaners can be recruited
anywhere
Tavis Barr writes:
This is true. But it's not the same kind of export competition.
Harvard, MIT, and Mass general don't argue to their workers that they
have to lower wages to compete with Berkeley or Oxford. None of these
places are threatening to close down and move their work to Mexico.
Different people post to the list in different ways. I, for one enjoy
Maggy's insights about the realities of working at NYNEX, although I do
not think that I have ever responded to them. She is also correct that
some women have dropped off because of the testosterone charged missives
that fly
The Globe and Mail May 15, 1997
CEOs warned fat pay cheques will bring government action
--
Survival of capitalism at stake, corporate governance expert says
by John Partridge, Financial Services
In a previous post Sid S. said that the progressive internationalists on
Pen-l "supported NAFTA". I was not involved in that previous edition of
the debate and would not necessarily identify with all of the PI position,
but I think Sid`s characterization is not entirely accurate.
Bill, the
In a message dated 97-05-15 12:48:38 EDT, you write:
How has Maggie exhibited stamina just for
posting? I mean, I'm glad she does, but I don't recall anyone ever
singeing
her ever.
Well, it hasn't happened in quite some time--but I do recall some pretty
flamey stuff around the French rail
Dear Elaine;
Many times I put messages out there just because I get annoyed at the all
boys nature of the discussion. While some of the list participants do
discuss points with me, I note that frequently my comments receive no
response whatsoever--which is why most of my 'debating' gets done on
according to a very short blurb in May 15's L.A. TIMES, "Mother Nature is
giving humanity $16 trillion to $54 trillion worth of services a year to
the world, a new report says [in the May 15 edition of NATURE]. That's
bigger than the global gross national product, which the World Bank
estimates
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From: James Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:10112] locality -- loyalty?
Max, Bill is right that you seem to be rejecting democracy (at least
today). However, you don't seem to be a totalitarian or even an apologist
for management. I
Responding to several comments posted on this topic
RE: Jim Devine
At 05:51 PM 5/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
Wojtek, if I read you right, you're saying that being in the same
geographical area, especially in face-to-face contact, breeds solidarity.
Maybe, but that predicts that the plant
From: "Rosenberg, Bill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:10117] EU, globalization and all that
. . .
power to redistribute. That implies a degree of democracy to which
that cental authority responds: difficult in the EU, non-existent
with NAFTA, almost impossible to imagine
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: elaine Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:10113] Re: The EU: against wishful thinking
in the EU. There's a very good paper on this by
Andy Martin and George Ross.
Could you
Doug Henwood wrote:
Elaine Bernard wrote:
Whose Politics Gerry? That was sarcasm. Specifically
it was a shot at what I view, as a long time pen-ler
who tends not to intervene very much (which by the
way is true of most of the women on the list --
god bless you Maggie for your stamina) as
From: "William S. Lear" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:10111] Re: Kasparov's defeat
How graciously you avoid argument. Thank you for your considerable
patience.
The last thing I can be accused of on this list is
avoiding argument. It is true that patience is
sometimes in
Elaine Bernard wrote:
Whose Politics Gerry? That was sarcasm. Specifically
it was a shot at what I view, as a long time pen-ler
who tends not to intervene very much (which by the
way is true of most of the women on the list --
god bless you Maggie for your stamina) as the
style of argument which
Gerald Levy wrote:
elaine Bernard wrote:
I fear in these discussion on globalization or on
the EU, we tend to construct straw arguments and
then put them to the torch with much fast heat
and little light, and nothing enduring. But hey,
that's politics.
Whose politics? It is not in the
I wrote: ...democracy is an end in itself. ... democracy is the only
legitimate political principle.
Terry McD COMMENTs: While I agree that democracy is the political
principle which should be applied in a socialist or communist context, I
don't think democracy is either meaningful or
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, MAY 14, 1997
RELEASED TODAY: The Producer Price Index for Finished Goods declined
0.6 percent in April, seasonally adjusted. This followed decreases of
0.1 percent in March and 0.4 percent in February. Prices received by
domestic producers of intermediate goods
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MAY 13, 1997:
The pace of growth for the nation's top black-owned businesses slowed
considerably from a year ago because of a backlash against affirmative
action and economic troubles, Black Enterprise magazine reported.
Sales of the black-owned companies ranked as
Whose Politics Gerry? That was sarcasm. Specifically
it was a shot at what I view, as a long time pen-ler
who tends not to intervene very much (which by the
way is true of most of the women on the list --
god bless you Maggie for your stamina) as the
style of argument which I have observed on the
Greetings,
On Thu, 15 May 1997, Terrence Mc Donough wrote:
Jim D. writes:
..democracy is an end in itself. ... democracy is the only
legitimate political principle.
COMMENT: While I agree that democracy is the political principle
which should be applied in a socialist or communist
I am on vacation this week, but will give you the citation when I return.
Lou
At 06:09 AM 5/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
Can you give a source for this statement?
. Thomas Watson went to prison in the early
years of IBM because of price-fixing and industrial sabotage. In one case,
he sold
In a message dated 97-05-14 21:45:26 EDT, you write:
Sid:
Wasn't Charlene Bareshevsky involved, Maggie?
Maggie:
(Ah, the token woman. Did she take notes? :-)))
Seriously, this still doesn't take away from my basic argument which is that,
while not perfect (I noted in my original message
An analogy I like to use when thinking about the effects of free
trade and investment is to the region of a country. I'd appreciate any
comments on this approach.
It goes like this.
We have plenty of examples of the effect of free trade and free
movement of investment on different areas of
Jim D. writes:
...democracy is an end in itself. ... democracy is the only
legitimate political principle.
COMMENT: While I agree that democracy is the political principle
which should be applied in a socialist or communist context, I don't
think democracy is either meaningful or
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