Sometimes it's hard to keep a firm grasp on the suicidal madness of the
gummint, but a posting like hoov's helps a lot. That far-off entity seems
to imagine itself as some permanent metaphysical structure which can go on
severing link after link with the underlying population - until nothing
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote concerning the
demise of the dinos:
...the current scientific
consensus that they got zapped by an asteroid hit is really
coming on strong. Among other major pieces of evidence has
been the discovery of the
Disney's new *Animal Kindom* theme park includes an attraction called
*DinoLand* (wasn't the Flintstones' pet named Dino?)...DinoLand resembles
the roadside attractions that sprouted alongside US highways in the 1950s
- the ones with big, fake dinosaurs that you spotted from the backseat
of the
Most prominent scientists agree that some sort of "deus-ex-machina" event
created the catastrophic climactic changes that killed off the dinosaurs of
the Mesozoic age 65 million years ago and ushered in the modern Cenozoic
Age of Mammals. The differences are over exactly what the nature of
Doug,
In case you didn't know, privatizing money and
eliminating central banks is an old Austrian idea long
pushed by Hayek.
Barkley Rosser
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:02:03 -0400 Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today's TheStreet.com, the market webzine, has an article urging that the
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote concerning the
demise of the dinos:
...the current scientific
consensus that they got zapped by an asteroid hit is really
coming on strong. Among other major pieces of evidence has
been the discovery of the remnants of the hit in the
Doug,
I'd like to second Michael Perelman's point about tenure and downsizing.
This would be especially true in large companies which are more likely
to be unionized.
A lot of the increase in total tenure comes from changes in the pattern
of women's labor force participation - women are less
My files say you are registered. Just to be sure try to resub.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is almost certainly listening for key words
being done, but not by the FBI or the CIA. It is the NSA
that has the budget, mission, technology, and employees for
that function.
I don't know whether there are provocateurs or not. I
am skeptical. But historically Louis P. is
I can't resist throwing in a real irony here. The
main representative for the US Treasury Dept. at Bretton
Woods was Harry Dexter White. He has since been revealed
by Oleg Gordievsky to have been one of the top Soviet
agents in the US government of the time. Of course, the
Soviets
Nathan,
1) I hope you don't feel this is "piling on" but it is important to note
that Keynes was entirely defeated at Bretton Woods (by the American Treasury
Dept., playing with a heavy hand) and the current IMF was created instead.
He went home dejected and quite a bit has been written by
Lou P. send us a citation from Turner, so I thought that I would add
another one to the collection:
Turner, Frederick Jackson. 1911. "The Significance of History."
(November); reprinted in Frontier and Section: Selected Essays,
Frederick Jackson Turner, ed., Ray A. Billington (Englewood Cliffs,
C. RKM,
I'm very familiar with the concept of carrying capacity. I am also
familiar with simplistic understandings of ecology that assume things like
total predator effectiveness, etc.. Prey behavior has as much to do with
predator densities as predator behavior.
In reply to Thomas Kruse's question, Monthly Review has been sponsoring
meetings ...
[snip]
Perhaps Thomas could tell us what is happening where he is.
80% of industry here is concentrated around 3 cities: Santa Cruz,
Cochabamba, La Paz. In each place there are independent leftists, academics
IN THE AMERICAS
Published Monday, April 27, 1998, in the Miami Herald
From Herald Wire Services
BRAZIL
Hunger brings looting in impoverished region
RIO DE JANEIRO -- Police have been called to guard government food depots
throughout Brazil's impoverished northeast region after hundreds of
Oooh, C. Proyect,
May I only say, paraphrasing the Leader of an ancient group of
wayward Jews: "Label not, that you be not labeled. For with the label you
assign you will be labeled and the measure you give will be the measure
you get."
peace
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RELEASED TODAY: In January 1998, there were
Heard this the other night and need to share it.
MBS
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Philosophers song
Immanual Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
To whom,
Nota bene - Nutrient pollution and attendant algae blooms will
become the ecological distraction of the next couple years. Why? The
effects are easy to see and the industries doing it are low value-added.
It's much easier to get after chicken
Lou,
Based on your description I have a feeling that this Murray character is
simply a crackpot who thinks he is on a CIA mission saving the country from
an alien invasion. He might have watched too many James Bonds movies, but
I do not think he is an employee of a government agency -- or if he
Boddhisatva:
Nota bene - Nutrient pollution and attendant algae blooms will
become the ecological distraction of the next couple years. Why? The
effects are easy to see and the industries doing it are low value-added.
It's much easier to get after chicken farmers than deal with toxic
Today's TheStreet.com, the market webzine, has an article urging that the
Fed be privatized, and that private banks issue their own money! End the
government monopoly over what is just another commodity! Let's have
CitiMarks and JPMorgan dollars, and the rest. Most of the readers who've
posted
-Original Message-
From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A no vote and even a call to dismantle the IMF need
not be taken all that literally. Assuming sufficient
flexibility on the part of the naysayers, it could
be the only way to force the
Louis Proyect wrote:
Interesting how
blue-collar OSU has more guts on this question than Columbia with all its
Marxish professors.
Of course, it may be just the accident of different individuals on the
line, but I wonder if there's also some difference between private and
public institutions on
Doug, the increase in tenure is consistent with downsizing. For instance,
nobody in our department here has less than 10 years on the job. The
young people have been shed. Those with long tenure remain.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
It's easy enough to go off the deep end when theorizing about
the sort of character Louis described. I suspect that harassment _per se_
is the intent, and that left-wingers are chosen because they are conceived
of as ideal victims. That is, they won't go to the police about it,
whether out
My first experience with a provocateur occured when I was first
teaching. I young army reservist, an officer, made an effort to seek me
out, visit my house and attempt to befriend me. One day before class,
he approached me,visibly shaken. He told me that in his work as an
ordinance officer he
At 12:10 PM 4/27/98 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Louis Proyect wrote:
Interesting how
blue-collar OSU has more guts on this question than Columbia with all its
Marxish professors.
Of course, it may be just the accident of different individuals on the
line, but I wonder if there's also some
Louis writes: Now another approach to these sorts of problems is the sort
of fatalistic attitude [which] boils down to "of course, they are snooping.
What else would you expect?"
which suggests another approach: if we talk so much on the internet (or
elsewhere), any spying goons from the FBI,
Since the responsibility for the reproduction of corporate
elites lies primarily with private elite universities, where knowledge and
power become one -- it hardly surprising that Columbia is more eager to use
any pretext to discipline an employee than a State U.
Regards
Wojtek Sokolowski
Oh
I'm puzzled by Bill's post.
There are lists which are private and whose members agree not
to share anything posted with people who are not on the list.
In that case I would understand and share his complaint.
But Pen-L, which is publicly archived, clearly is not such a
list. Anyone can find
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Government harassment of U.S. political activists clearly exists today,
violating our fundamental democratic rights and creating a climate of fear
and distrust which undermines our efforts to challenge official policy.
Similar attacks on social justice movements came to light during the 1960s.
At 01:17 PM 4/27/98 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
Now another approach to these sorts of problems is the sort of fatalistic
attitude that Witold, valis and Barkley Rosser (on Spoons) expressed. This
boils down to "of course, they are snooping. What else would you expect?" I
challenge the notion
At 04:48 PM 4/27/98 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
But there have been legal attacks on repression as well that are very
important, such as the SWP suit that nearly the entire left backed. These
two types of actions are dialectically interrelated and it is silly to pose
one against the other.
When
Boddhi,
Sorry, but you're just off here. Of course we shall
never really know for sure what killed off the dinosaurs
(heck, we'll never know for sure that you even exist or are
not actually "Murray"). But the current scientific
consensus that they got zapped by an asteroid hit is
Louis Proyect has accused me of complacency, or
whatever, regarding internet provocateurs. I sent a
message sometime ago about this to pen-l that has not shown
up yet, but let me say a bit more for now.
1) I reiterate that "they" (and I was more specific
in my other message about
Following our debate on provocation and political represion, below is an
example of an action that really matters -- as opposed to internet
schmoozing. Now is the 5-point multiple choice question.
Facing the possibility of a massive strike involving 10% of the labout
force, the US government
Hello All!
We've got a job opening here at Portland State (Oregon). It's better
than it looks, as the plan is for it to be made tenure-track if this
initial position works out well. The position is a new attempt to join
the work of the local Council of Economic Education with our Econ
Hey Fikret:
Could you be convinced to send URL's but NOT whole web pages in your
posts to pen-l? much appreciated if you dont.
thanks
--
Les Schaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Theoretical and Applied Mechanics
Center for Radiophysics and Space Research
Cornell
At 10:15 AM 4/27/98 -0700, Michael Perelman wrote:
My first experience with a provocateur occured when I was first
teaching. I young army reservist, an officer, made an effort to seek me
out, visit my house and attempt to befriend me. One day before class,
he approached me,visibly shaken. He
At 12:13 PM 4/27/98 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Richardson_D wrote:
Average job tenure of American workers at medium and large companies has
reached 13.1 years, nearly a year longer than earlier in the decade,
according to a study by a management consulting firm. Examining the
employment records
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April 27, 1998
Bitter Dispute Pits Garment Union Against Its Workers
By DIANA B. HENRIQUES
NEW YORK -- As recently as five years ago, the sprawling Brooklyn plant
operated by Mademoiselle Knitwear Inc. was a showcase -- clean,
air-conditioned, with a cafeteria for workers
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Valis wrote:
It's easy enough to go off the deep end when theorizing about
the sort of character Louis described. I suspect that harassment _per se_
is the intent, and that left-wingers are chosen because they are conceived
of as ideal victims. That is, they won't go to the police about it,
Doug says that public institutions may show more courage. Absolutely not.
Public universities are suseptible to wild political witch hunts. The
Jesuits probably offer much more refuge to academics.
Sorry to disagree with Doug so much today.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California
Richardson_D wrote:
Average job tenure of American workers at medium and large companies has
reached 13.1 years, nearly a year longer than earlier in the decade,
according to a study by a management consulting firm. Examining the
employment records of 1.1 million workers at 59 companies, Watson
At 11:31 AM 4/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
Lou,
Based on your description I have a feeling that this Murray character is
simply a crackpot who thinks he is on a CIA mission saving the country from
an alien invasion. He might have watched too many James Bonds movies, but
I do not think he is an
Most prominent scientists agree that some sort of "deus-ex-machina" event
created the catastrophic climactic changes that killed off the dinosaurs of
the Mesozoic age 65 million years ago and ushered in the modern Cenozoic
Age of Mammals. The differences are over exactly what the nature of the
. . .
One thing this is doing (and this was very much part of Thatcher's agenda
when she floated BT) is creating a class of share-holders - the idea being
that their vote against any pro-public sector party (such as
Kinnock's mob)
can be assured in return for but a couple of thousand
At 03:13 p.m. 4/26/98 -0400, Max wrote:
Liberals don't get excited about investment.
According to the current [May 4] issue of BUSINESS WEEK, there's
a new wing
of the [US] Democratic Party that's very excited by investment, led by
Barry Bluestone, Bennet Harrison, James K. Galbraith, and
Liberals don't get excited about investment. That's
for the Clintonoids. I suspect my folks will find an
traditional Keynesianism perfectly appropriate.
The IMF is a pro-austerity leg-breaker for bankers,
anti-public sector, anti-democratic, etc.
No?
Everyone knows the
Bill Mitchell's post reminded me to fill in some background on the
dissolution of the Spoons Marxism-lists, which is indirectly related to his
problem. In either case, we are dealing with people attempting to curtail
free speech in cyberspace. My switching to a panix account from Columbia is
Esteemed Comrade Father Devine,
I wrote that socialists will use the resources of *human society*
more effficiently than capitalists The resources of *human society* are not
only modes of natural resource utilization, but all the strategies for
keeping the tribe
C. Proyect,
Oh I forgot. Punctuated equilibrium has become the saving grace
of those who want to anti-scientifically idealize nature. In their minds
nature chugs along in perfect balance and order until "deus ex machina"
some mighty event comes along. Nonsense.
forwarded by Michael Hoover
THE INCARCERATION INDUSTRY:
TEEMING PRISON ROLLS BODE WELL FOR PRIVATE JAILS
3.12 p.m. ET (1912 GMT) April 22, 1998
By Jeremy Quittner, Fox News
NEW YORK - As federal and state governments struggle to
cope with a soaring prison population, a handful of
G'day Penners,
Australia is following NZ into a black hole of across-the-board
privatisation. We've just flogged 1/3 of our erstwhile public monopoly
telco ('Telstra') and we're about to chuck the other 2/3 after it.
One thing this is doing (and this was very much part of Thatcher's agenda
Dear pen-l
Today I emailed Micheal and asked for a particular person to be removed from
pen-l. It is not an action that I took without thought.
The person has seen fit to send email that I have sent to pen-l in the past
(Feb 1997)
and also another list (pkt) to senior staff in my university as
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