Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Chris Burford
At 16:11 19/09/00 -0700, you wrote: I've only read the first 2 1/2 chapters of Charles (Charlie) Andrews' recent book, _From Capitalism to Equality_ (Needle Press, 2000), but so far I am quite impressed. One advantage he has compared to Marx is that he makes it clear from the beginning

Re: the Market as God

2000-09-20 Thread W.R. Needham
You might also like to look at: THE GLOBAL MARKET DOCTRINE: A STUDY IN FUNDAMENTALIST THEOLOGY John McMurtry, College of Arts, Department of Philosophy, University of Guelph http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/ECON/needhdata/McMurtry-2.html and, also by McMutry:: How Unexamined Premises Lead to World

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
One advantage he has compared to Marx is that he makes it clear from the beginning that exchange value is not the same as value. "The magnitude of value is the quantity of abstract labor required to _produce_ a commodity. The magnitude of exchange value, or price, is the amount of

Re: Survivor

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
Louis wrote: I told her that the landlord seemed stupid to be so greedy. If he had simply proposed a rise in rents that would have increased his profits, while leaving nobody in danger of eviction, then everybody would have been spared needless expenses and aggravation. Her response

Re: Re: Survivor

2000-09-20 Thread Louis Proyect
But isn't she right, in the sense that the societal nature of capitalism drives people to make as much profit as possible, no matter what the cost to others? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Except that we got ourselves a real sharp lawyer who bested Donald

Re: Survivor

2000-09-20 Thread Joel Blau
All true, but you omitted the key social ethic of "Survivor:" all alliances are temporary, and no friendships are real. When people work cooperatively to build a shelter, their real goal is to be the last one sleeping there. As a consequence, there can be neither genuine trust nor genuine human

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/19/00 07:11PM I really like the discussion of value in chapter 2. Andrews distinguishes clearly between use-value, exchange value (relative prices), and value (socially-necessary abstract labor time). I knew the distinction, but it was fuzzy at times.

BLS Daily Report

2000-09-20 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2000: Today's News Release: "REGIONAL AND STATE EMPLOYMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT: AUGUST 2000" indicates that regional and state unemployment rates were stable in August. All four regions registered little or no change over the month, and 46 states recorded

Re: BLS Daily Report

2000-09-20 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/00 12:08PM BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2000: -clip- The percentage of young Americans holding summer jobs fell again this year, due to the strong economy, expanded summer-school programs and the growing popularity of unpaid internships, the Labor

Orwellian reforms

2000-09-20 Thread Ken Hanly
Reform = Increased Poverty. Of course the cure for all this is economic growth! Cheers, Ken Hanly Poverty Jumped in Former East Bloc As Reforms Took Hold, Study Finds By PAUL HOFHEINZ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL PRAGUE -- Far from disappearing, poverty in

RE: Re: BLS Daily Report

2000-09-20 Thread Max Sawicky
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Brown Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:2089] Re: BLS Daily Report [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/00 12:08PM BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19,

RE: Re: BLS Daily Report

2000-09-20 Thread Max Sawicky
sure. if your family is wealthy enough so that you don't care about money, they're a way to build your resume. They're a way to use family and other connections. In effect, it's a way that the class origins of the privileged are preserved. mbs (( CB: Gee, I wonder why UNpaid

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. For example, in the first section of ch. 1 of vol. 1, Marx writes that "if we abstract from their value, there remains

[ BLS Daily Report

2000-09-20 Thread Charles Brown
So, we might better call this a "labor" ( ha ha, yea right) statistic ? Really, sometimes I think the bourgeoisie are characterized by inconspicuous, not conspicuous, consumption, compared with some other rich classes. Finesse. CB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/00 01:10PM sure. if your family is

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
JD I wish Marx had been clearer about this. Andrews is, though he presents the issue very differently than I do here. One of the great things about Andrews' book is that he seems to say everything that Marx said, but in a different order that makes everything clearer. Following the 20th century

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Michael Perelman
I want to say that the discussion of Charlie's book is very encouraging. I have only seen some early drafts of the book, but they were already excellent. I think that it is important to discuss and encourage each other's work, but now I have to sign off and go on to Sacramento for the day. --

Re: Orwellian reforms

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:01 PM 9/20/00 -0500, you wrote: The report also says that income inequality [in the former Soviet-bloc countries] is increasing, and approaching the levels usually experienced in Latin American countries. awhile back, MONTHLY REVIEW had an article titled "The East goes South." Jim

Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/00 02:46PM CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. For example, in the first section of ch. 1 of vol. 1, Marx writes that "if we

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
Originally, Charles Brown (CB) wrote: CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. I wrote: For example, in the first section of ch. 1 of vol. 1, Marx writes that "if

Re: Poli. Sci. and the Corporations

2000-09-20 Thread Michael Hoover
The following shows that poli. science ignores the roles of corporation. Economics goes one step further. We talk about "firms," but almost nothing in the economics literature ever mentions the role of corporate power. A Not So Academic Oversight By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Re: Re: Survivor

2000-09-20 Thread Brad De Long
All true, but you omitted the key social ethic of "Survivor:" all alliances are temporary, and no friendships are real. When people work cooperatively to build a shelter, their real goal is to be the last one sleeping there. As a consequence, there can be neither genuine trust nor genuine

Re: Re: BLS Daily Report

2000-09-20 Thread Joel Blau
These figures sound like an underestimate. I thought the figure in the latest edition of State of Working America was an additional 250 hours a year, with couples in $30,000-$75,000 range averaging 3800 hours annually. Time pressures like these mean that it is ever harder to maintain the myth

The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2000 -- 4:76 (#469)

2000-09-20 Thread Paul Kneisel
__ The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 19 September 2000 Vol. 4, Number 76 (#469) __ Action: Privacy

Re: Prostitution, Disease, and Race (was Fall of Communism sparksjob growth)

2000-09-20 Thread Timework Web
There is an immaculate conception between this topic and the "Market as God" thread. Tom Walker Sandwichman and Deconsultant 215-2273

Interesting article on World Bank

2000-09-20 Thread Ken Hanly
I thought that the Summers' memo was supposed to have been written by someone else and generous Lawrence bravely accepted the fallout from it. In a discussion on Pen-L a while ago someone advanced this viewpoint. Now we have a different story from the horse's mouth or is it more hot air from the

This is cool...

2000-09-20 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[full article at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2000-09/strike210900.shtml ] New EU charter toughens 'right to strike' By Stephen Castle in Brussels 21 September 2000 Europe's new charter of citizens rights has been toughened to enshrine the explicit right to strike and union

Accounting politics of the new economy

2000-09-20 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[full article at http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/THU/FIN/rules.2.html ] Paris, Thursday, September 21, 2000 New Accounting Rules For the New Economy? Changing U.S. Business Climate Spurs Shift By Albert B. Crenshaw Washington Post Service WASHINGTON - A clash of cultures has set off a heated

Kakistocracy update

2000-09-20 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[full article at http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/21/world/21KORE.html ] September 21, 2000 South Korean Aide Resigns Over Loan Accusations By SAMUEL LEN SEOUL, South Korea, Sept. 20 — In the latest scandal involving high- ranking members of the South Korean government, a close aide to

Re: Survivor

2000-09-20 Thread Michael Perelman
What the audience did not know was that this deserted island also had a 4 star hotel on the other side. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Prostitution, Disease, and Race (was Fall of Communism sparks jobgrowth)

2000-09-20 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
NY Times, Sept. 19, 2000 The Oldest Profession Seeks New Market in West Europe By ROGER COHEN snip For Dr. Hana Duchkova, an expert on sexually transmitted diseases at Usti Hospital, the collapse of Communism and the order it imposed have been a "recipe for many problems." Foreigners have no

Paula Rabinowitz: Film Noir, Social Welfare, National Defense(was Re: RM Conf: Selection of Panels)

2000-09-20 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Carrol posted some Rethinking Marxism panels of interest, and I spotted among them: Paula Rabinowitz (University of Minnesota), Domesticating Art in the Age of the Trademark Rabinowitz has done a lot of good work on left-wing women art. There are better examples of her work (_Labor Desire: