Imperialist *non*intervention in Chechnya

2000-10-19 Thread Chris Burford
The appeasement of Nazi Germany by Britain and France before the Second World War, was the result of their imperialist nature. Similarly now, the refusal of the West to put pressure on Putin's Russia to observe democratic rights in Chechnya is a fruit of their imperialist desire *in these

BLS Daily Report

2000-10-19 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 18, 2000 RELEASED TODAY: CPI -- The Consumer Price Index for all Urban Consumers (CPI-U) increased 0.5 percent in September, seasonally adjusted, following a 0.1 percent decline in August. The upturn reflects a sharp turnaround in the energy index, which

Re: Re: RE: Suppressed Voices: McReynolds and Nader(fwd)

2000-10-19 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Gar, why we should spend a little time on speculating on the nature of a socialist society, on as old whiskers said "creating recipes for the cookshops of the future". ... Why -- because the myth of TINA (There Is No Alternative) is far more widespread than it ever was in Marxes day. In

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic and privatization

2000-10-19 Thread Dennis Robert Redmond
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everthing I have heard is that he was personally honest (i.e. non- corrupt) though he did not extend his personal standards to those around him, including his immediate family. Well, Bill Clinton hasn't *personally* benefited from slashing

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic and privatization

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
Paul Phillips wrote: ... I would also use this opportunity to respond to some of Chris' comments about Serb policy in the late 1980s re the privatization of the 'socialist' property system. First, the pressure for the end of the 'social property' system came from western-trained economists, many

Administrative Stuff

2000-10-19 Thread JKSCHW
Michael: please sign me up on pen-l at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am changing my ISP. This can also serve as notication to anyone who cares to have my new address. --Justin Schwartz

Re: Milosevic and privatization

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I have another question for Paul. Wasn't the decline in workers' remittances a major factor? Also, when you think about it, penners, try to remove the re re re's from the subject line. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

Re: More on ADM

2000-10-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
I'm reading Eichenwald's book on ADM and it reads like FBI spin or even a print of handouts from the FBI. It is clear that he was fed enormous helpings of FBI genetically engineered pap, and then defecates it for the reader. The premise of his book is that the FBI was doing a great job but got

Re: Administrative Stuff

2000-10-19 Thread michael
Just send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from your new address. sub pen-l Justin Schwartz Michael: please sign me up on pen-l at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am changing my ISP. This can also serve as notication to anyone who cares to have my new address. --Justin Schwartz --

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic and privatization

2000-10-19 Thread phillp2
Jim asks: thanks for this message. I have a question: wasn't one reason for the movement away from workers' control (socialized property?) is that there was excessive decentralization, which led to continuous contracting and re-contracting even within factories? Under the 1976 Law on

Re: More on ADM

2000-10-19 Thread Ken Hanly
This doesn't shed any light on GM crops. It shows that ADM is completely irresponsible in allowing (GM) corn that is approved only for animal feed into human foods. ADM then tries to make some of its opponents responsible for ADM's own misdeeds. Of course the fact that it is GM has implications

Alan G.'s latest...

2000-10-19 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2000/200010192.htm http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2000/20001016.htm ...Unfettered competitive pressures will foster consolidation in the long run as liquidity tends to centralize in the system providing the narrowest bid-offer

US stops Russian Imperialism!

2000-10-19 Thread Ken Hanly
#11 The Globe and Mail (Canada) October 17, 2000 U.S. buttinskyism Letter STEVE GOWANS Nepean, Ont. -- After allowing that Western oil companies have more than $50-billion (U.S.) invested in Azerbaijan and that the country's oil reserves are potentially a vital source of supply for the United

ECB Puts Pedal to Metal

2000-10-19 Thread Dennis Robert Redmond
Hmm, the Eurobourgies seem to be getting their act together at last. Here are official short-term interest rates, minus CPI inflation and minus per capita GDP growth (giving a growth-adjusted proxy of the tightness of monetary policy) for the US, EU and Japan in the 1990s. Note the unprecedented

Democracy Now

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug just posted this to LBO. I'm reposting it here out of self-interest since Democracy Now is a staple in my political education. Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:44:53 -0700 From: Eileen Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AMY GOODMAN UPDATE Free-Speech Comrades: I spoke to Amy Goodman tonight.

Gus Hall obituary

2000-10-19 Thread Ken Hanly
PRESS RELEASE NEW YORK -- Gus Hall, long time Communist Party leader, died Friday Oct. 13 in New York City. He was 90. Hall was one of the most famous American communists. He led an extraordinary life of working class activism and was a participant in nearly all of the most important social

FW: heckman on diversity in economics

2000-10-19 Thread Max Sawicky
I don't recall if this was posted before, so here it is anyway. max Dear Colleagues, Last year, ICARE (International Confederation of Associations for the Reform of Economics) undertook an effort to query AEA officer candidates on their positions regarding pluralism in economics. Here is

Re: Re: Milosevic and privatization

2000-10-19 Thread Louis Proyect
So how did Slovenia resist the neolib virus? Social democratic parties? Strong unions? A developed welfare state? -- Dennis Actually, the latest Z Magazine has an article by Michael Parenti that describes the stubborn refusal of the Slovenes to go whole hog with "shock therapy". Apparently this

The debates

2000-10-19 Thread Louis Proyect
THE DEBATES: TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN SCIENCE FICTION By Norman Solomon / Creators Syndicate Earthlings have continued a tradition of bizarre rituals during their planet's current season. A columnist from the Galactic Syndicate provides this analysis: From afar, we may be inclined to smirk at

Residue evidence that Weber was wrong.

2000-10-19 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/19/00 12:07PM What is so special about hobbies like hunting and sport that elevates people to a special status in this country, whereas work or protecting work conditions does not. In fact, protecting workers' interests will not even get you the public benefit status

debt relief

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
NewsCenter | NewsWire Share This Article With A Friend Featured Article Published on Thursday, October 19, 2000 Still Hasn't Found What He's Looking

Re: Re: More on ADM

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Ken is correct. The article tells nothing think about the qualities of GM foods in themselves. But it does tell a lot about the companies which have the responsibility for overseeing the quality of the food. Ken Hanly wrote: This doesn't shed any light on GM crops. It shows that ADM is

Re: Re: Milosevic and privatization

2000-10-19 Thread phillp2
Date sent: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:38:27 -0700 From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L:3248] Re: Milosevic and privatization To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have another question

Re: Re: Fwd: BIG Ithaca HOUR News!

2000-10-19 Thread Joanna Sheldon
At 12:22 19-10-00, Martin wrote: The thing that I might find distressing would be if a lawyer was needed - and the same disparity in weighted value of hours exists. A lawyer could get hundreds of hours of labor for a few hours of labored citations. Those who get paid in Ithaca money are

Re: Re: RE: Suppressed Voices: McReynolds and Nader

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Hoover
Lisa Ian Murray wrote: This seems to be a gaping hole in left prescriptions for organizational change at the micro and macro economic level. What would socializing IBM or UPS, or McDonalds for that matter, look like? As opposed to small, locally owned enterprises? What would socializing

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: BIG Ithaca HOUR News!

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:22 19-10-00, Martin wrote: The thing that I might find distressing would be if a lawyer was needed - and the same disparity in weighted value of hours exists. A lawyer could get hundreds of hours of labor for a few hours of labored citations. Joanna wrote: Those who get paid in Ithaca

fun book

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I am reading Bernstein, Peter L. 2000. The Power of Gold: The History of an Obsession (NY: John Wiley Sons). Maybe some of you with more historical knowledge will find this book too superficial, but it is filled with fun stuff. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State

Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Louis Proyect
I've been exchanging email with Mark M. Smith, the author of "Debating Slavery". According to Smith, the debate is mainly between "Marxists" like Eugene Genovese on one side and non-Marxists like Fogel, Engerman, and Oakes on the other. The former tend to put forward the notion that the

Engels' (non)reply to Wicksteed

2000-10-19 Thread Tom Walker
"'To-Day' has become a mere 'symposium', i.e. a review in which everyone can write for and against socialism. Next No. a critique of 'Capital'! I was supposed to reply to this anonymous writer, but declined with thanks." -- Engels to Kautsky, Sept. 20, 1884. The critique in question was titled

Re: Engels' (non)reply to Wicksteed

2000-10-19 Thread michael
As I recall this devastating critique of Marx, Wicksteed concentrated on Marx's lack of the theory of rent. I suspect that he never saw volume 3. "'To-Day' has become a mere 'symposium', i.e. a review in which everyone can write for and against socialism. Next No. a critique of 'Capital'!

Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:49 PM 10/19/00 -0400, you wrote: I've been exchanging email with Mark M. Smith, the author of "Debating Slavery". According to Smith, the debate is mainly between "Marxists" like Eugene Genovese on one side and non-Marxists like Fogel, Engerman, and Oakes on the other. The former tend to

Re: Re: RE: Suppressed Voices: McReynolds and Nader(fwd)

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
Charlie Andrews' book FROM CAPITALISM TO EQUALITY ends with two very interesting chapters on how a "Labor Republic" would be organized. His utopia is very interesting because he is quite conscious of pro-capitalist criticisms of his scheme. So far, it makes a lot of sense. BTW, following his

RE: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Eric Nilsson
RE non-Marxists like Fogel, Engerman, and Oakes . . . . tries to show that the plantation system was both profitable and efficient on capitalist terms. I believe that current mainstream thought on slavery is that: 1) slave holders wanted to make money but they did not seek the highest

The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 16 Oct 2000 -- 4:84 (#477)

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Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Peter Dorman
I don't know what the contemporary take on it is, or even to what extent it can be considered Marxist, but when I was an undergrad eons ago, I read Industrial Slavery in the Old South, 1790-1861: A Study in Political Economy by Robin Starobin. It was quite an eye-opener to me at the time. Peter

Re: Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Louis Proyect
At 04:44 PM 10/19/00 -0700, you wrote: I don't know what the contemporary take on it is, or even to what extent it can be considered Marxist, but when I was an undergrad eons ago, I read Industrial Slavery in the Old South, 1790-1861: A Study in Political Economy by Robin Starobin. It was

Time Magazine poll

2000-10-19 Thread Louis Proyect
Based on who you would vote for today, here are the current percentages: Nader 58.79% Bush29.79% Gore9.17% Buchanan1.89% other .33% http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000 Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/

Re: Time Magazine poll

2000-10-19 Thread Ken Hanly
So this shows that Nader supporters are all tuned in to netvoting and have lots of time to repeat votes. Yeh. I voted for Nader. First US election I ever voted in. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday,

Re: Engels' (non)reply to Wicksteed

2000-10-19 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman wrote, As I recall this devastating critique of Marx, Wicksteed concentrated on Marx's lack of the theory of rent. I suspect that he never saw volume 3. Volume III was published in 1894, Vol. II in 1885. Therefore, Wicksteed could only have seen Volume I.

Re: Time Magazine poll

2000-10-19 Thread Tom Walker
Ken Hanly wrote, So this shows that Nader supporters are all tuned in to netvoting and have lots of time to repeat votes. Yeh. I voted for Nader. First US election I ever voted in. I voted twice (just to check to see if they had any device to block repeat voting). I'm not going to tell you

Re: Re: Time Magazine poll

2000-10-19 Thread Steven Matthews
Ken Hanly wrote, I voted twice (just to check to see if they had any device to block repeat voting). I'm not going to tell you who I voted for because its a secret ballot, eh? What struck me was that the number of votes registered was over 1,000,000. Watch out for RSI, Nader fans! Having said

More on Democracy Now

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
This is appalling. The Institute for Public Accuracy received this today: To: Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash and Board of Directors From: Amy Goodman Cc: Personnel File Date: 10/18/00 CRACKDOWN ON DEMOCRACY NOW! A few days ago, I was given a shocking

Re: RE: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
She claims that the large slave operations were efficient. Field, Elizabeth B. 1988. "The Relative Efficiency of Slavery Revisited: A Translog Production Function Approach." American Economic Review, 78: 3 (June): pp. 543-9. Hoffer, R.A. and S.T. Folland. 1991. "The Relative Efficiency of

Re: Re: Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Peter Dorman
The whole point of the book, as I recall, was to rebut the claim (most famously voiced by the young Frederick Law Olmsted) that slavery was incompatible with the transition to mechanized production. Starobin pointed out that there were at least isolated instances of industrial production in the

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: BIG Ithaca HOUR News!

2000-10-19 Thread Justin Schwartz
If those few labored citations saved you from time in jail, or saved you a lot of money in liability, or won you a lot of money in a settlement, well, maybe it would be worth it. A lot of people seem to think that law isn't so hard--as a friend of mine from my days as a philosophy professor

Re: Re: RE: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread enilsson
Michael wrote, ... claims that the large slave operations were efficient ... Field, Elizabeth B. 1988. "The Relative Efficiency of Slavery Revisited: A Translog Production Function Approach."... Hoffer, R.A. and S.T. Folland. 1991. "The Relative Efficiency of Slave Agriculture:

WSJ on teaching economics

2000-10-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
Today's Wall St. Journal has a front page feature on teaching economic with romance and mystery books. I found the following paragraph interesting. "The kids" are discerning. Gene Coyle Each year, about 1.4 million U.S. college students enroll in an introductory economics course. It's

Re: Re: Re: Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread enilsson
Peter wrote, So you could say that the deeper question was whether slavery confined the South to a plantation-based economy, whether cotton or sugar or tobacco. Bateman, Fred and Thomas Weiss, ”A Deplorable Scarcity: The Failure of Industrialization Industrialization in the Slave South•

Re: Re: Engels' (non)reply to Wicksteed

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:00 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, you wrote: Michael Perelman wrote, As I recall this devastating critique of Marx, Wicksteed concentrated on Marx's lack of the theory of rent. I suspect that he never saw volume 3. Volume III was published in 1894, Vol. II in 1885. Therefore, Wicksteed could

Re: Re: Re: RE: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:30 PM 10/19/2000 +, you wrote: Michael wrote, ... claims that the large slave operations were efficient ... Field, Elizabeth B. 1988. "The Relative Efficiency of Slavery Revisited: A Translog Production Function Approach."... Hoffer, R.A. and S.T. Folland. 1991. "The

Re: WSJ on teaching economics

2000-10-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:34 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, you wrote: Each year, about 1.4 million U.S. college students enroll in an introductory economics course. It's "easily one of the most difficult subjects to teach. It's advanced calculus in disguise," says Murray Wolfson of California State University, Fullerton.

Re: Fwd: BIG Ithaca HOUR News!

2000-10-19 Thread martin schiller
Justin Schwartz said on 10/19/00 7:28 PM If those few labored citations saved you from time in jail, or saved you a lot of money in liability, or won you a lot of money in a settlement, well, maybe it would be worth it. A lot of people seem to think that law isn't so hard--as a friend of mine

Re: Re: Engels' (non)reply to Wicksteed

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.qut.edu.au/arts/human/ethics/conf/flat.htm A relatively large number of references to distributional issues can be found in Wicksteed’s ‘non-economic’ works in this later period. It is of some interest to record, for example, Wicksteed’s views of the distribution of income at about

Re: Re: Re: RE: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Eric, isn't your critique true of a good deal of econometric work? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael wrote, ... claims that the large slave operations were efficient ... Field, Elizabeth B. 1988. "The Relative Efficiency of Slavery Revisited: A Translog Production Function

Corporations Pay no Taxes: Robert McIntyre in the NYT

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/20/business/20TAX.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: WSJ on teaching economics

2000-10-19 Thread michael
Absolutely, yes. At 08:34 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, you wrote: Each year, about 1.4 million U.S. college students enroll in an introductory economics course. It's "easily one of the most difficult subjects to teach. It's advanced calculus in disguise," says Murray Wolfson of California

Re: Re: Re: Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Does he tell how Irish workers were used when the work was too dangerous, since their lives were worth less than the slaves? Peter Dorman wrote: The whole point of the book, as I recall, was to rebut the claim (most famously voiced by the young Frederick Law Olmsted) that slavery was

Re: WSJ on teaching economics

2000-10-19 Thread Justin Schwartz
Wolfson is the author of a pretty good book on Marxisn economics, btw. So one wonders what he is teaching them, and what they are not believing. --jks From: Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pen-L Pen-l [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:3288] WSJ on teaching

Re: Query on slavery

2000-10-19 Thread Peter Dorman
Michael, you are taxing my aging memory. I don't recall that particular detail, but it sounds plausible. BTW, I had heard that Starobin committed suicide shortly after writing this book. A depressing topic indeed Peter Michael Perelman wrote: Does he tell how Irish workers were used

Re: Re: WSJ on teaching economics

2000-10-19 Thread Justin Schwartz
Jim asks: Murray Wolfson of California State University, Fullerton. isn't he the author of a worthless screed against Marxian economics? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine I haven't read his 1964 Reappraisal of Marxisn Economics in many years, although I have

Re: Re: Fwd: BIG Ithaca HOUR News!

2000-10-19 Thread Justin Schwartz
From the point of view of the working class (the margins) the lady with the scale has taken a hike. When Alan G puts the brakes on, as someone suggested earlier in the thread, he'll use the law to effect his agenda. The exchange in hours between lawyer and defendant will be counter-productive,