This morning on Swiss cultural radio, someone,
possibly a historian, was redefining the state as an
institution and a political discourse a la in the
typical French erudite fashion. He then went on to say
that on both accounts the state is changing. That the
state in developing formations in its
By 1980 the graffiti movement in New York City had reached its high point.
Risking electrocution, ghetto youth would sneak into subway yards after
midnight and paint murals on the sides of cars. Signing their work with
tags like "Juan 233", they sought neither fame nor money, just satisfaction
in
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The mag has hardly shied away from running
denunciations of evil postie thought;...
...It seems strange to me, though, to attack
a whole school of thought - actually many schools grouped under a
single name - including a lot of Marxists without
from an ultra-conservative (but increasingly mainstream, since the mainstream went
rightward) mag:
WEEKLY STANDARD/Feature April 16/April 23, 2001/Vol 6, Number 30
Recession or Depression?
The worst-case scenario . . . and how we might avoid it.
By John H. Makin
Economists are very shy
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Here is the tone of anti-Americanism in an admittedly cynical political
column in the London Evening Standard from last Thursday. Although this
column, by Matthew Norman has to take cheap swipes at everybody,
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"So long as Mr Bush drives the
NY Times, April 12, 2001
Economic Scene: Don't Count on Stocks to Lead the Way Out of Downturn
By JEFF MADRICK
Nothing bothered me more as a viewer of the finance programs on cable TV in
the 1990's than the professional analysts who said that stocks were always
a good investment as long as
I forgot to mention Makin's policy recommendation: even bigger tax cuts than Bush
pushes.
I guess that makes sense, but they don't have to be as regressive as the Shrub ones.
from an ultra-conservative (but increasingly mainstream, since the mainstream went
rightward) mag:
WEEKLY
A news release from the U.S.-based Economic Policy Institute
follows. The EPI has just released a new study entitled "NAFTA at
Seven: Its impact on workers in all three nations."
The Canadian section of the report is written by CCPA Executive
Director Bruce Campbell. The full report is
This is funny except that Blair would probably phone up Bush to get the
answer and the Queen has no significant role in government..
Cheers Ken Hanly
While visiting England, George W. Bush is invited to tea with The
Queen.
President Bush asks her Majesty what her leadership
FYI, has anyone in pen-l had a chance to look at this book?
Ann
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:57 AM
Subject: Vedder on Bernstein, _Only One Place of Redress: African Americans,
Labor Regulations and
Does anybody know if Ruben's History of Economic Thought is still in
print? I can't seem to locate it on the Internet.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
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Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901
My copy was published by Pluto, the Brit SWP publishing house. Check with
them. --jks
Does anybody know if Ruben's History of Economic Thought is still in
print? I can't seem to locate it on the Internet.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Published on Thursday, April 12, 2001 in the Toronto Globe Mail
The Secret Free-Trade Agenda
Accessing cheap foreign labour is good for companies, but only dreamers think it
benefits workers
by John R. MacArthur
The upcoming "free-trade" fest of politicians and their tenured valets (also known
It is not on their list.
Thanks.
My copy was published by Pluto, the Brit SWP publishing house. Check with
them. --jks
Does anybody know if Ruben's History of Economic Thought is still in
print? I can't seem to locate it on the Internet.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, APRIL 12, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY: The Producer Price Index for Finished Goods edged down
0.1 percent in March, seasonally adjusted, the Bureau of Labor Statistics
reports. This decline followed a 0.1 percent rise in February and a 1.1
percent advance in January.
The Top Ten Censored Stories of 2000: www.alternet.org
From army spinmeisters working at CNN to sweatshop-like conditions in
Silicon Valley, this year's Top Ten Censored are huge stories the
mainstream media missed.
.
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
Dear Justin and others,
I have three questions:
1) A short while ago I found this book by Stiglitz in a used book store:
"Whither Socialism?", The MIT Press, 1996. Have not read the book yet, although
skimmed it quickly once. As far as I gathered from this quick look, he is
arguing among other
I'm pretty sure that www.powells.com and www.bolerium.com have
copies.
From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4/12/01 9:57:34 AM
My copy was published by Pluto, the Brit SWP publishing house.
Check with
them. --jks
Does anybody know if Ruben's History of
full piece at:
http://www.frontlineonline.com/fl1807/18070820.htm
BOOKS
Ecology and capitalism
SUSAN RAM
Late Victorian Holocausts: El Nino Famines and the Making of the Third World by Mike
Davis; Verso, London and New York, 2001; pages 464, 20 (hardback).
EVERY age has its prevailing
Workers challenge Yale alumni for a voice
By Art Perlo
NEW HAVEN, Conn. - In an unprecedented coordinated union drive, 3,000 workers at Yale
New Haven Hospital and Yale University have combined forces to win representation. On
April 20, thousands of workers and students from Yale will be
[I don't know about Chase-Dunn and 'market socialism'. In this 1999 article
on "Globalization: a World Systems Perspective", he calls for soft-pedaling
opposition to WTO and throwing one's support behind a 'global state'
whatever its class character. Although I lack sufficient motivation to read
Gas crisis for Chicago poor
By Emile Schepers
CHICAGO - The scheduled April 2 cutoff of natural gas to thousands of Chicago
residents who have not been able to pay skyrocketing heating bills has been postponed
for two weeks but the struggle will go on, activists here are promising.
Natural
Dear All,
Over sixteen thousand members of the Hawaii State Teachers Association
(HSTA), and University of Hawaii Professional Assembly (UHPA) have been
on
strike since April 5. For the first time in U.S. history, the entire
public
education system, from kindergarten through university, of a
Dear Sabri,
Stiglitz's book is strangely uninformed for such an intelligent economist. S
is right that the Oskar Lange model of "market socialism," formulated in
reply to Mises and Hayek on the calculation problem, is neoclassical in
inspiration, quite consciously. Lange used to say that
--- Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about Chase-Dunn and 'market socialism'. In this 1999 article
on "Globalization: a World Systems Perspective", he calls for soft-pedaling
opposition to WTO and throwing one's support behind a 'global state'
whatever its class character.
On the other hand, Louis, I don't know how realistic it is to expect in these
days that the working class can be armed to smash the structures of
capitalism,
whether they are at the national or global level, either. In the not so near
future, maybe. But any such attempt now in my country would
Sabri,
I concur with Justin that the NCE version of market socialism is
just as flawed as NCE itself and therefore of little use as a model
for a real economy, in particular a socialist real economy. I would
disagree with Justin that there is no role for planning. Obviously,
for instance,
Sometime ago, we had a long debate on market socialism, which eventually
ended up with a great deal of repetition. The first part might well be
useful to you.
It is very easy for us here to plot out the proper course for Indonesia.
I don't feel confident that I really u an nderstand the micro
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From: "Sabri Oncu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is pretty much what Boswell and Chase-Dunn suggest in "The Spiral of
Capitalism and Socialism" as well. I am not at all comfortable with the
strategy they are suggesting to the global movements, as, for example, it
involves
I don't say that there is no role for planning. I am an advocate of the
Schweickart model, which calls for investment planning--there are no capital
markets in the model; and in addition, for planning of public goods, such as
electric power. I disagree with Philip about the lack of capital
I think that most of us regulars know where you each other stand regarding
market socialism. Unless we have something new to say, why don't we wait
and see what sort of questions Sabri has.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
Michael,
I think I unknowingly openned a can of worms and agree with you that it is
better to postpone this topic. I did not know that you had discussed this topic
in the past. Given the regulars know where everybody else stands regarding
market socialism, I don't see much point in furthering
Louis writes:Since the art of politics is knowing what has to be done *next*, our
efforts
should be focused on the immediate class struggle and not blueprints for a socialist
society. That is in fact what Marx said.
I thought we got beyond quoting Marx as if doing so settled questions.
In any
Jim Devine:
In fact, I think that Lenin did a lot of thinking about how socialism
should be organized,
in his STATE AND REVOLUTION. I'm sure this attitude was shared by other
Bolsheviks,
especially as they found that power was in their hands.
Yes, Lenin did a lot of thinking about how socialism
Louis writes: I don't think such talk [about how socialism is to be run] among people
like us does very much good. It is much better to figure out how to deal with immediate
questions such as deregulation, the stock market, IMF austerity, etc. At least on
questions such as these, we can exchange
Jim Devine:
automatical sent to the trash can.) But just because you're not interested
in a topic
doesn't mean that pen-l can't discuss it. As far as I can tell, the only
person who has
that kind of say is Michael Perelman.
Actually, I think that Michael just said that the topic has been done
Dow Jones Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal, also announced layoffs of 202
people,
or 2 percent of its staff. Dow Jones also eliminated 300 open positions.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Devine:
BTW, what type of people _should_ be discussing issues of how socialism
should be run?
Don't you think a bunch of professional economists and
economically-literate folks could
add something?
Naw, it can wait.
Louis Proyect
Friends,
I am not writing this to pour
I did not intend to be a censor, but I did not think that it would do much good to
rehash our
old arguments. The debate between Jim and Lou was interesting.
I recall how Marx scrupulously tried to avoid discussions about how to organize the
future,
since it would just set off squabbling.
At
The reason why I am writing this is that back home, we, the left (not only
the
socialists but also the social democrats, excluding third-wayers, and even
the
tiny groups anarchists, ecologists and the like), are being challenged by the
counter party to offer an alternative in these days.
Sabri, the people demonstrating in the streets are not really interested in
a discussion about the feasibilty of socialism versus capitalism, I would
surmise. The single event that seems to have energized the recent PROTESTS
was
a florist hurling an empty cash register at Ecevit.
Louis Proyect
This afternoon, on US National Public Radio, there was an interesting story about the
process of over-investment in movie screens in the US. The movie theater chains were
all
competing to introduce multiplexes into the many local markets. They introduced such
innovations as drink holders and
Michael Perelman wrote:
. . . much success in communicating with a broader audience.
"Broader audience" is too vague -- it seems usually to mean large,
nondescript, miscellanmeous audience consisting of isolated individuals
sitting at home. There is such an audience, and reaching it may
This afternoon, on US National Public Radio, there was an interesting
story about the
process of over-investment in movie screens in the US. The movie theater
chains were all
competing to introduce multiplexes into the many local markets. They
introduced such
innovations as drink holders and
any thoughts on the possibility that Argentina will end the submission of its currency
to
the US dollar and will instead hook it to a basket of the US$ and the Euro??
It sounds a little bit like bimetallism: "we will not be crucified on a cross of
dollars!"
-- Jim Devine
I wrote:This afternoon, on US National Public Radio, there was an interesting story
about the process of over-investment in movie screens in the US. The movie theater
chains
were all competing to introduce multiplexes into the many local markets. They
introduced
such innovations as drink
Michael, I don't have the energy to get into the MS debate right now. But I
am curious about why you are so eager to cut it off when it arises. --jks
I think that most of us regulars know where you each other stand regarding
market socialism. Unless we have something new to say, why don't we
you are absolutely correct.
Carrol Cox wrote:
so the main
task of authors of books and articles is not to reach a broader audience
but to provide ammunition (information, tactical and strategic training,
perspective, etc.) to those who write the leaflets or who talk with the
readers of
Justin, I asked that the discussion be put on hold, because it became
repititious last time.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 04:07:11AM -, Justin Schwartz wrote:
Michael, I don't have the energy to get into the MS debate right now. But I
am curious about why you are so eager to cut it off when
I agree with Sabri. My own interest in models of socialism is due to the the
fact that in my own twenty years of organizing, whenever I engage with
ordinary people in a way where my socialism is more than a quaint fact about
me, a religious quirk to be tolerated in a useful (hopefully)
I dunno, Michael, My impression is that you are anxious to squash it.
Whenever it comes up, you want to postpone it. As it happens, I haven't the
time or inclination to get into it now. But if people are engaging in
something, even going over the same ground, and they are interested, what's
I agree with Sabri. My own interest in models of socialism is due to the the
fact that in my own twenty years of organizing, whenever I engage with
ordinary people in a way where my socialism is more than a quaint fact about
me, a religious quirk to be tolerated in a useful (hopefully)
At 10:53 12/04/01 -0400, Charles wrote:
Charles: Good column by Norman, Chris.
However , on this last swipe at the Mongol hoardes, we might recall that
the sun never set on the British empire because God didn't trust the
British hoardes in the dark , and it's no accident that the American
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