Re: South Africa AIDS case

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Re: The case for reparations

>If the capitalists had to >make restitution to everybody from whom they profited -- Black slaves, >native Americans, victims of imperialism, etc., they would have a bill >many times greater than their wealth. > -- >Michael Perelman To bring about this realization, I submit, is the purpose of bl

Re: Re: The case for reparations

> I suspect that captalism is a zero sum game. If the capitalists had to > make restitution to everybody from whom they profited -- Black slaves, > native Americans, victims of imperialism, etc., they would have a bill > many times greater than their wealth. > -- > Michael Perelman > Economic

Re: The case for reparations

I suspect that captalism is a zero sum game. If the capitalists had to make restitution to everybody from whom they profited -- Black slaves, native Americans, victims of imperialism, etc., they would have a bill many times greater than their wealth. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department Cal

Re: The case for reparations

Ken Hanley says: >I don't quite follow your reasoning. Are you saying that since capitalism >will not give any reparations this transitional demand will enable "the mass >movement" to overthrow capitalism and immediately there is socialism there >will be no difficulties? No. Supporters of the r

Re: The case for reparations

Ken Hanley says: >I was responding to Paul Phillips post. That post says nothiing about >percentage of Indian blood or whatever, it is about compensating blacks who >came to Canada as escaped slaves etc. and Iroquois who emigrated to Canada >from the US. Of course this does not matter. Reparatio

The case for reparations

I am in support of the *movement* for reparations for slavery, even though I believe that reparations are impossible under capitalism and that some participants in the movement make arguments with which I frankly disagree. Slavery & racism have harmed not only African Americans, Africans, & a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

- Original Message - From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: [PEN-L:10382] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations Well the communist manifesto does not show Marx as absorbed in the present. As my earlier p

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

I don't quite follow your reasoning. Are you saying that since capitalism will not give any reparations this transitional demand will enable "the mass movement" to overthrow capitalism and immediately there is socialism there will be no difficulties? And why will there be no reparations under

South Africa AIDS case

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

> Come on, Louis. You can do better than this. Everyone must recognize > that the administration of reparations will raise difficulties. I suspect > that the best solution would be to give money to the community rather than > to individuals, but even then I am not sure how it would be admini

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

>Come on, Louis. You can do better than this. Everyone must recognize >that the administration of reparations will raise difficulties. I suspect >that the best solution would be to give money to the community rather than >to individuals, but even then I am not sure how it would be administered.

Draft agreement on FTAA --investment

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

>Are questions wrong because they are difficult to answer? Your reply reminds >me of my late lamented Uncle Ralph who used to avoid difficult questions by >a sort of ad questionem fallacy, attacking the character of the question, >rather than answering it. >Cheers, Ken Hanly Sorry, Ken. I am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

Come on, Louis. You can do better than this. Everyone must recognize that the administration of reparations will raise difficulties. I suspect that the best solution would be to give money to the community rather than to individuals, but even then I am not sure how it would be administered. Bu

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

Are questions wrong because they are difficult to answer? Your reply reminds me of my late lamented Uncle Ralph who used to avoid difficult questions by a sort of ad questionem fallacy, attacking the character of the question, rather than answering it. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message

Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

Frankly, it was a mistake to even bring up the subject of reparations on PEN-L. I did it because the post came from the BRC list, which is meant to circulate widely. I forgot how rightwing and white PEN-L is. It takes something like this to remind me. I won't make the mistake of crossposting anyth

Re: Re: The case for reparations

What was racist about the Horowitz ad was not his position on reparations (about which reasonable people can disagree etc.), but his specific language. For instance, the line about "welfare" being reparations already paid to African Americans is reprehensible. Peter John Henry wrote: > Thanks f

Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

Lou, this is not the sort of exchanges we want here. On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 07:51:30PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: > >Some of the reparation money would go to buy assets or improve the > >financial position of African Americans. A lot of it, however, would be > >wasted by many recipients. Whenev

Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

No. Read what I wrote. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:51:30 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: >>Some of the reparation money would go to buy assets or improve the >>financial position of African Americans. A lot of it, however, would be >>wasted by many recipients. Whenever people of limited means get a >>w

Re: Re: The case for reparations

>Some of the reparation money would go to buy assets or improve the >financial position of African Americans. A lot of it, however, would be >wasted by many recipients. Whenever people of limited means get a >windfall, they tend to waste a good chunk of it. If I won the lottery, >I know I'd buy a

FTAA draft chapter on investmen

The FTAA draft chapter on investment is available online: http://www.wtowatch.org/library/admin/uploadedfiles/FTAA__02_Report_on_Investment_Draft_Investment.htm -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:10:40 -0700 (PDT), Sabri Oncu wrote: >Moreoever I agree with Tom that surprises are usually set up through "leaks" to >the media. I remember seeing many news articles about Iraq' s renewed interest >in arsenal build up in journals such as FT, NYT and the like before Bush bo

Re: The case for reparations

I'm against reparations. Leaving aside the problem of determining who gets a reparation payment (Does a person with a black father and a white mother get half the value? Do descendants of Chinese railroad workers get anything?), the bigger problem in my view is that reparations would sell short th

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is going on?

Brad, you must know, of course, that I receive a good number of complaints about what other people perceived to be your lack of civility. When you ascribe what most is consider to be outlandish accusations regarding political events or movements, some people regard that as a lack of civility.

Re: Re: Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

Yes Doug, The risk you mention below exists and it is a serious risk. Indeed, it is possible that this "surprise" rate cut will hurt their ability to intervene in the future. Who knows? At least to me, they look scared and desperate. But maybe, they are! Sabri >It makes no sense for the Fed to

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

> >Tribal councils are the creation of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and >blatantly anti-democratic. > >Louis Proyect >Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/ That may be true (though it is a pretty sweeping statement given the large number of tribes) but it is beside the point. If you a

Re: Re: Re: Re: What is going on?

>Brad, please refrain from the personal jibes. If you want to delete >somebody, you are welcome to do so, but there is no reason to announce it. > >On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:04:04PM -0700, Brad DeLong wrote: >> >While I agree that Brad's original note was certain to provoke, this >> >discussio

Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

>Indians are in a different situation. If you are certified as Iroquois by >the Iroquois tribal council you are Iroquois. If you are not certified, you >are not Iroquois. Different tribes have different requirements for >certification but the key is that if you are a member of a tribe, you are

Re: Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

>Also, what about the black population in the maritimes and in >southern Ontario who escaped via the underground railway? > >I am not trying to be argumentative here Louis but to ask a serious >question about redistributive justice. > >Paul Phillips, These are the wrong questions. They remind m

Re: Re: Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

--- Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was a total surprise to me. It surprises me that Greenspan and the guys > share my pessimistic view of the near future of the US business cycle and > so act in such a panicked way. And their information is much, much better > than mine is. > Jim

Re: Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

Tom Walker wrote: >Oh Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug! Did you forget that one of the classic uses of >'leaking' to journalists is to set up 'surprises'? It makes no sense for the Fed to want to surprise the markets with a rate cut. Yes, with foreign exchange intervention - that's a case where a centra

Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

Louis wrote: It is not only about > African-Americans, it is about American Indians as well. For that matter > the same kind of legalistic flim-flammery would apply to Indians as well. > How can we give land to the Iroquois unless we can prove that they are 100 > percent Iroquois? As a rule of th

Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

Oh Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug! Did you forget that one of the classic uses of 'leaking' to journalists is to set up 'surprises'? Whatever game the fed has still got is one that needs to be orchestrated by raves from the attending toad swallowers or else it's no game. In and of itself the cut can not s

Re: Re: Re: The case for reparations

> >This is not a legal question, but a political question. It is a political question too but in terms of who gets the actual checks, it is primarily a legal question. Someone is going to have to determine who qualifies for the checks. How can we give land to the Iroquois unless we can prove

Re: Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

At 05:09 PM 4/18/01 -0400, you wrote: >Sabri Oncu wrote: > >>They call this inter-meeting rate cut a surprise but why am I not >>surprised at >>all? Sabri > >Well if it was no surprise to you, you should get a job on Wall Street! >Yesterday's WSJ had an article suggesting a cut was unlikely, and

Re: Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

>Well if it was no surprise to you, you should get a job on Wall >Street! Yesterday's WSJ had an article suggesting a cut was unlikely, >and the Washington Post's John Berry said the same thing just last >Sunday - and both Berry and the WSJ are regularly leaked to by the >Fed. So it's very lik

Re: Re: Re: Talking Points on the FTAA?

Apropos John Henry's comments on free trade, who wrote the statement below? "What is clear is that for the next generation opponents of free trade will say: 'Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. did not adopt free trade--and look how fast they grew.' And at the level of economic policymaking and public ide

Re: Bloomberg: Fed Shows It Still Got Game

Sabri Oncu wrote: >They call this inter-meeting rate cut a surprise but why am I not surprised at >all? Sabri Well if it was no surprise to you, you should get a job on Wall Street! Yesterday's WSJ had an article suggesting a cut was unlikely, and the Washington Post's John Berry said the same

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Re: Re: The case for reparations

John Henry: >Am I black? If you knew me (I am blonde haired and blue eyed fair skinned >Scotch-Irish-German descent) you would answer definitely not. I have never >claimed to be. However, under federal law and as clarified via some >personal correspondence with the chief counsel of the EEOC in

Re: Re: Talking Points on the FTAA?

> >One should be that this is not really about "free trade", but, like >NAFTA, is mainly concerned with investor rights. Chomsky has written >a fair amount on this topic. > > >Bill There is probably nobody more in favor of free trade than I am but I agree with you (and Louis) about the FTAA an

Re: The case for reparations

Thanks for posting this, Louis. I have frankly been puzzled by the people calling Horowitz and his ad "racist". Factually, it seemed fairly solid to me and it certainly seems that there is room for legitimate debate on both sides of this issue without stooping to calling the other side (whichev

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is going on?

> Brad, Argentina's success was largely a result of favorable terms of trade > rather than any structural advance. Sort of like the success of Brunei or > Kuwait. that makes sense to me. Just as with the former Confederacy after the US Civil War, when the relative price of the key export commod

Re: Re: What is going on?

> Brad DeLong wrote: > > > > > And I do not understand the appeal of the BJP... > > ravi replies: > why not? isnt it the same as a lot of the appeal of the republican > party here? religious fundamentalism, nationalism, etc? yeah, why not? if Thomas Friedman and his ilk want to knock down all t

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Re: Talking Points on the FTAA?

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 01:14:05 (-0400) Yoshie Furuhashi writes: >Has any of you written an article, given a talk, organized a >teach-in, etc. on the FTAA (Free Trade Area of Americas)? If you >have an article, could you post it here or send it to me offlist? I >got invited to be on a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is going on?

>Argentina was in "G7 ranks" back before World War II. IIRC, Argentina >was fifth in the world in automobile ownership per capita in 1929, >and B.A. was twelfth in the world in telephones per capita in 1913. Ownership? G7 is about production, not consumption. >I don't see anything "structural"