Re: Re: moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
> > It would be refreshing if Cheney did. While the powers that be are > "Machiavellian" in a pejorative sense, they seldom speak as candidly > as Machiavelli did. > > Yoshie === At least not in "public." Ian

Re: moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ian writes to Jim: > > one thing would be hypocrisy. We can emphasize the contradiction between >> the US power elite's rhetoric and its practice. Since they have so much >> power, any claim that we're being "moralistic" is nonsense. > >Hypocrisy is a moral/judgmental concept. Imag

Arms race aporia

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/12/world/12MISS.html May 12, 2001 Talks Don't Calm Foes of Antimissile Plan By PATRICK E. TYLER MOSCOW, May 11 - After a week of consultations with allies and former adversaries, the Bush administration has failed to overcome deep concerns over whether its proposa

Re: Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
  The letter by Engels to Schmidt is presumably on the internet.This is one of a number of late letters by Engels often quoted about the determining nature of the economic base, but well worth reading for the subtlety of the way the argument is worked through. I would be interested i

Re: Bush donates mere $200m to global AIDS fund

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
> Bush has the effrontery to claim he is setting an example by agreeing to > the US giving a mere $200m to a global AIDS fund. > > > > At 27/04/01, Louis Proyect wrote: [Re: Global AIDS "war chest"] > > >With such a staggering economic/medical crisis, it > >is totally obscene for somebody like

Bush donates mere $200m to global AIDS fund

2001-05-11 Thread Chris Burford
Bush has the effrontery to claim he is setting an example by agreeing to the US giving a mere $200m to a global AIDS fund. At 27/04/01, Louis Proyect wrote: [Re: Global AIDS "war chest"] >With such a staggering economic/medical crisis, it >is totally obscene for somebody like Clinton or Blair

Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Chris Burford
At 11/05/01 17:28 -0700, you wrote: Jim Devine writes: -- right, the law is "relatively autonomous" from capitalism, i.e., what serves the long-term (class) interests of capital. A law which serves capital in one era can hurt capital in another. --

Re: RE: Re: Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Justin Schwartz
I agree with your general point, David, but you can overdo it. Underlying the general thrust of the law are power relations that are if not wholly independent of the law, at least explanatorily prior to it. I am now reading Peter Linebaugh's The Many Headed Hydra, which discusses, among other

Latin American Perspectives

2001-05-11 Thread Edwin Dickens
Dear Penners, Most of us are U.S. based and very much interested in hearing from progressive economists based elsewhere. It is thus exciting that Pedro Paez has just joined us. Pedro lives and works in Ecuador, is trained in Marxist theories of economic development, and is particularly well-pla

Floyd Norris: An Exaggerated Productivity Boom May Soon Be a Bust

2001-05-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
> NYT > > May 11, 2001 > > Floyd Norris: An Exaggerated Productivity Boom May Soon Be a Bust > > By FLOYD NORRIS > > [P]roductivity is not what it was cracked up to be. And therein lies one of the >great fallacies of the recent boom and bubble. > > Productivity — at least as measured by th

Timpanaro

2001-05-11 Thread Louis Proyect
[Thanks to Marxism list subscriber Jim Farmelant for bringing my (our) attention to this commemoration of Sebastiano Timpanaro by Perry Anderson in the May 10, 2001 London Review of Books. The article is far too long and too resistant to scanner processing to post in its entirety, but these conclu

Re: RE: Re: Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
> I need clarification. The argument is repeatedly made on this list that > there is no such thing as a "free market" and "private property" because the > market and property is defined by the laws that regulate the market and > property. If so, how can capitalism be autonomous from the law? Is

Re: Re: Re: moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
JD > of course it isn't. My example was only a way of explaining my meaning of > "moralism" with an extreme case. === Ok IM/JD > >Is it not an ethical judgment that > >you are making here, or perhaps a meta-ethical one? > > I don't know, since I don't know your meaning. For a d

Former Yugoslavia: The name of the game is OIL! - Karen

2001-05-11 Thread phillp2
Enough Said Paul Phillips, Economics, University of Manitoba Former Yugoslavia: The name of the game is OIL! By Karen Talbot The Bush administration, with its spectacular connections to oil and energy corporations, is telling the U.S. people they need more oil, gas and nuclear power

RE: Re: Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread David Shemano
Jim Devine writes: -- right, the law is "relatively autonomous" from capitalism, i.e., what serves the long-term (class) interests of capital. A law which serves capital in one era can hurt capital in another. -- I need clarification. The

Re: Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:06 AM 05/12/2001 +0100, you wrote: >In his famous letter to Schmidt of 27 October 1890, Engels also describes >how the law becomes a new and relatively independent sphere which has to >try to be internally coherent. Engels argues it is rare that a code of >law is the "blunt, unmitigated,

Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Chris Burford
In his famous letter to Schmidt of 27 October 1890, Engels also describes how the law becomes a new and relatively independent sphere which has to try to be internally coherent. Engels argues it is rare that a code of law is the "blunt, unmitigated, unadulterated expression of the domination o

Re: Re: moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: > > Rather, the point is that my colleague jumped in with moral issues -- i.e., > > that we can't say that just because the U.S. engaged in bloody > > counterinsurgency in Vietnam that it's okay for Milosevic to do so (two > > wrongs don't make a right) -- before I could finish my analysi

Re: moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Ian Murray
JD>> > Rather, the point is that my colleague jumped in with moral issues -- i.e., > that we can't say that just because the U.S. engaged in bloody > counterinsurgency in Vietnam that it's okay for Milosevic to do so (two > wrongs don't make a right) -- before I could finish my analysis. He want

Re: Re: Blinder on CA energy emergency

2001-05-11 Thread William S. Lear
On Friday, May 11, 2001 at 13:52:35 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes: >Davis is lucky to get such profound advise. No doubt the same kind of advice as when he pontificated that there are "too many policy decisions in the realm of politics and too few in the realm of technocracy." ["Is Government T

Re: Blinder on CA energy emergency

2001-05-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Davis is lucky to get such profound advise. On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 11:06:16AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: > Don't Write Off Davis Energy Plan > > By ALAN BLINDER > > > Alan Blinder, a Professor of Economics at Princeton University, Was Vice > Chairman of the Federal Reserve From 1994-96. he Is

Re: Brad on Massacres

2001-05-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, we should discontinue this. I would be willing to see some of the Serbians at war crimes tribunals, but what about anybody from NATO? What about Hitchens call for Kissinger? I did not give a defense of atrocities, but I have never seen you call for even handed treatment of all war crimina

Re: Re: Development Question for Brad

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:16 PM 5/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >> In >>the former case, marketization seems to have dramatically improved the >>rate of growth in living standards over the previous 20 years; in the >>latter case, improvement on average looks closer to flat, with several >>dramatic cases of reversal; and

Re: Re: Development Question for Brad

2001-05-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Brad DeLong: >Dominican Rep. 5.8% As I have stated repeatedly, these GDP figures, stripped of historical and social context, are utterly useless. There are one million Dominicans in the USA and 8.2 million in their homeland. No other country in this hemisphere has a higher emigration rate to the

Re: Development Question for Brad

2001-05-11 Thread Brad DeLong
>If, for the purposes of argument, we assume all the growth data are >accurate and properly indicative, and restrict ourselves to the last 20 >years, the neoliberal argument seems to fare much better if one takes >China and India as the rule, and Africa and Latin America as the >exception, where t

RE: Blinder on CA energy emergency

2001-05-11 Thread Max Sawicky
Don't Write Off Davis Energy Plan . . . The governor's plan, while not perfect, has the three elements. It also avoids the wackier suggestions from both the right and the left. . . . Not to worry. In 1991 or so, Blinder was writing that proposals to increase public spending in the face of th

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Airline deregulation

2001-05-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Eugene Coyle wrote: > I liked one sentence in it, though. "Two decades ago, supporters of the >status quo predicted that deregulation would result in higher airfares, poorer >quality service, and a deterioration of safety." > > Well, 2 of those 3 predictions were right and I would argue

Re: Re: Airline deregulation

2001-05-11 Thread Louis Proyect
>The CATO author cites studies showing the airfares are much lower than they >would have been under regulation. The Brookings studies do some clever things >to get their results of lower fares but I find them at the level of hoax. > >I do enjoy flying cheaply, though. I'm in the category

Re: Re: reigniting the inequality debate

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
>Why would one ever want *not* to count people rather than countries? Why >would one ever want to *not* use PPP? We are interested in what's >happening to people, aren't we? And people don't eat exchange rates: they >use their income as a source of purchasing power over goods and services. on

Blinder on CA energy emergency

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
L.A. TIMES/May 11, 2001/Op-Ed (http://www.latimes.com/news/comment/20010511/t39703.html) Don't Write Off Davis Energy Plan By ALAN BLINDER Might Californians finally be seeing a dim light at the end of the energy tunnel? This spring and summer will be difficult times unless every

Re: Silver

2001-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
No time left to go on with China's internal windfall, just enough to consider the less complicated subject of silver and the obvious benefits China enjoyed from its import but which P refuses to recognize. He says that Europe was fortunate that China was increasingly adopting silver as a stor

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Airline deregulation

2001-05-11 Thread Eugene Coyle
I took a look at the CATO paper David Shemano cites below. It is a polemic, using bits of things to make points -- . I liked one sentence in it, though. "Two decades ago, supporters of the status quo predicted that deregulation would result in higher airfares, poorer quality service, and a

Re: Brad on Massacres

2001-05-11 Thread Brad DeLong
>Brad, it would be fine, except for the selectivity. Why do "enemies" of >the U.S. imperialists get so much attention? I have to run in a minute, >so I must be brief. What serbia did was a fraction of the harm >Clinton/Bush did to the children of Iraq. I know that you don't support >that polic

Re: reigniting the inequality debate

2001-05-11 Thread Brad DeLong
>This article gives a nice summary of some of the issues in >measuring inequality. > >Wade, Robert. 2001. "Winners and Losers." The Economist (28 >April). >Global inequality is worsening as the distribution of income >becomes more unequal. >The answer to what is happening to world income distribut

Re: moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:19 PM 5/11/01 +, you wrote: >Jim, I agree that it doesn't make sense to focus organizing activity on >the crimes of governments we can't much affect--although AMnesty Intnatl >shows that in individual cases, btw, you can make more difference than you >would think. But that doesn't mea

Brad on Massacres

2001-05-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, it would be fine, except for the selectivity. Why do "enemies" of the U.S. imperialists get so much attention? I have to run in a minute, so I must be brief. What serbia did was a fraction of the harm Clinton/Bush did to the children of Iraq. I know that you don't support that policy.

Markets again

2001-05-11 Thread Rob Schaap
One last quickie before bed. I see all this concerted bull (in both senses) palaver in the media hasn't done a thing for the equity markets (they're a bit down). Could it be that the punters' preoccupation with the Fed's next step has occasioned the thought that more than ever depends on Greensp

Rosenfield on CA energy crisis

2001-05-11 Thread Tim Bousquet
>From Harvey Rosenfield's FTCR daily newsletter on developments in the California energy crisis. Back issues are available at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/st/ When will this crisis come to a head? So long as the Gov. has access to billions of dollars of taxpayer money (see bond

moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Justin Schwartz
Jim, I agree that it doesn't make sense to focus organizing activity on the crimes of governments we can't much affect--although AMnesty Intnatl shows that in individual cases, btw, you can make more difference than you would think. But that doesn't mean that critical facilities show go into co

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Airline deregulation

2001-05-11 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Ken, > Deregulation surely does not minimize transportation costs for smaller communities >and to distant communities. For them deregulation is often a disaster. Before >deregulation many smaller cities had to be served as the price airlines had to pay >for lucrative routes. Now these ci

Re: Re: RE: Re: Airline deregulation

2001-05-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Christian Gregory wrote: >Hope of what, exactly? Dereg is supposed to bring lower prices and more >competition. But neither of these has happened. I suppose this goes with >being an ideologue, but why is this kind of competition good if even the >things that boosters say are good about it don't c

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic Terrorism---Michel Chossudovsky

2001-05-11 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Brad, > Why should pointing out that there are apologists for the > would-be-genocidal neo-fascists of Serbia cause "trouble"? It seems > to me that people need to hear *more* about "ethnic > cleansing"--whether by the Serbian government, the Croatian > government, Kosovar Albanian guerrill

Jacques Soustelle

2001-05-11 Thread Louis Proyect
[Thanks to Colin Danby for bringing to my attention that Jacques Soustelle, author of a sensitive book on the Aztecs, was much less sensitive when it came to the people of Algeria. He became, despite his earlier leftwing associations, a leader of the terrorist, quasi-fascist OAS.] The Washington

Re: Land Productivity

2001-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Michael Perelman: Ricardo, I know of nothing to say that China had an ecological advantage. Almost all of its good land is on a narrow strip along the coast. Most of its land had to be "manufactured" into rice paddies. The interior is mostly desert or mountain. - You're right and that'

moralism

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:11382] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic Terrorism---Michel Chossudovsky] Brad wrote: >Why should pointing out that there are apologists for the >would-be-genocidal neo-fascists of Serbia cause "trouble"? It seems to me >that people need to hear *more* about "ethnic cleansing"--whe

Geertz on the ecology of wet-rice

2001-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
P effectively smothers this whole question re the impact of evironmental factors in China's land productivity. One may think the ecological superiority of wet-rice is too obvious to be hidden completely. But P is excellent, and the only occasion he refers to the ecological fertility of wet-ri

Re: Re: Economic Terrorism---Michel Chossudovsky

2001-05-11 Thread Louis Proyect
>Why should pointing out that there are apologists for the >would-be-genocidal neo-fascists of Serbia cause "trouble"? It seems >to me that people need to hear *more* about "ethnic >cleansing"--whether by the Serbian government, the Croatian >government, Kosovar Albanian guerrillas, or others-

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-11 Thread Brad DeLong
>RE Brad's >> It is a >> perfect illustration of how >> monopolistically competitive markets >> with entry do not produce >> anything like the social optimum... > >It is also a clear example of how firms, seeking >to make profits, shape market structure: market >structure is often endogenousl

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic Terrorism---MichelChossudovsky

2001-05-11 Thread Brad DeLong
>You are correct. This is absolutely flame bait. We do not need >this here. We >have been over this many times. Please do not even bother refuting this >message. Why would you even bother to put something on that you >know is almost >certain to cause trouble? > >Michael Pugliese wrote: > >>

is the Bear Market an illusion?

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
In an article dated Fall 2000, Ellen R. McGrattan and Edward C. Prescott write: "Some stock market analysts have argued that corporate equity is currently overvalued. But such an argument requires a point of reference: overvalued relative to what? In this study, we use as our reference point th

Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
[corrected & amended -- see the end.] In response to David's questions ..., Louis Proyect writes: This is a very interesting theory you have. Whatever the government does, by definition, is in the long-term class interests of industry/business/bourgeois/guys who wear tophats/play golf, even if t

Re: Taxes, Qui Bono?

2001-05-11 Thread Michael Perelman
I had always thought that the existence of public housing, transportation and health in many European countries made wage comparisons difficult. "William S. Lear" wrote: > Suppose Mr. Boss pays $1 million in taxes, much of which goes to > support "infrastructure" projects, such as transportation

Re: Land Productivity

2001-05-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo, I know of nothing to say that China had an ecological advantage. Almost all of its good land is on a narrow strip along the coast. Most of its land had to be "manufactured" into rice paddies. The interior is mostly desert or mountain. On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 11:10:12AM -0300, Ricardo

RE: Taxes, Qui Bono?

2001-05-11 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . Questions: 1) Are these reasonable "multipliers" and/or is this the right term to use? mbs: not sure what this means. 2) Has anyone written about this in accessible form? Anyone written about this with good empirical data? mbs: there is tons of research on the dist

Land Productivity

2001-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Wittgenstein once commented that the most important truths are usually right in front of you. The land productivity differential between Europe and China was basically a function of their environmental resource endowments. Explaining this will demonstrate it was China which enjoyed the greate

Taxes, Qui Bono?

2001-05-11 Thread William S. Lear
Suppose Mr. Boss pays $1 million in taxes, much of which goes to support "infrastructure" projects, such as transportation systems, health care, etc. Since much of what he pays taxes for really is a way to socialize costs he would otherwise have to pay out in wages, this is in some respects a ver