Tom says:
The anxiety isn't over pleasure and sensuality per se, but over the
commodification of pleasure and sensuality -- a process that is no doubt so
far advanced that it becomes hard to conceive of pleasure and sensuality in
any other terms.
Non-commodified pleasure and sensuality under
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Tom says:
The anxiety isn't over pleasure and sensuality per se, but over the
commodification of pleasure and
Hi Charles,
I'm not sure which article of Michael Perelman's you are referring
to. But he's on this list, of course, so perhaps the best way to
clarify matters is for Michael to indicate whether there's
anything in my account he disagrees with.
Andrew Kliman
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Dear Comrade Melvin:
Let me try to explain my viewpoint more clearly.
1) However I do not think I should have to explain myself any further, for
asking a question - any further. After all Marx writes: If it is scientific
task to resolve the outward visible movement into the inward and
There is a very powerful argument against the existence of a a 3-A God: the
problem of evil.
jks
^
CB: Yes, and are those who are agnostic about God agnostic about the Devil ?
Suppression of Marx
by Drewk
26 February 2002 13:51 UTC
Hi Charles,
I'm not sure which article of Michael Perelman's you are referring
to. But he's on this list, of course, so perhaps the best way to
clarify matters is for Michael to indicate whether there's
anything in my account he
Doug Henwood wrote:
I'll bet a
lot of PEN-Lers don't approve of makeup or stylish clothes either.
Doug
^
Depends on the style. I have discriminating tastes.
Charles
There is a very powerful argument against the existence of a a 3-A God:
the problem of evil.
jks
^
CB: Yes, and are those who are agnostic about God agnostic about the
Devil ?
***
JD: I wasn't raised as a Christian, but as I understand that faith, it's
humanity that's the source of
Hey! What is this Yoshie? Theory of inevitable progress? Let me assure
Yoshie and Daniel that I am not a woozy pre-capitalist romantic. But I will
continue to wonder why such assurances are necessary at all. Look at my
primitive tools, youse guys: notebook computers, scanners, printers,
Doug Henwood wrote:
I'll bet a lot of PEN-Lers don't approve of makeup or stylish clothes
either.
Hold on. Readers of the WSJ (a few days ago) know that the _newest_ fashions
have rips, tears, and wrinkles and look, in general, very beat up and old.
Because of this fashion development, I am
North Carolina, at 5.5%, had the highest unemployment-rate increase among
states last year from the year before, says the Bureau of Labor Statistics
(The Wall Street Journal, page A1).
The home-buying market remained strong in January, as existing home sales
across the U.S. surged to a monthly
There is a very powerful argument against the existence of a a 3-A God:
the problem of evil.
jks
CB: Yes, and are those who are agnostic about God agnostic about the
Devil ?
JD: I wasn't raised as a Christian, but as I understand that faith, it's
humanity that's the source of evil. (The
Tom Walker wrote:
Hey! What is this Yoshie? Theory of inevitable progress? Let me assure
Yoshie and Daniel that I am not a woozy pre-capitalist romantic.
This thread had (mostly) developed in terms of characterizations of
either the participants in the thread or of leftists-in-general.
Let's simplify this discussion:
undialectical critique of capitalism: bad
undialectical apology for capitalism: bad
dialectical critique of capitalism: good
dialectical apology for capitalism: intellectually dishonest
The latter proceeds by mistaking a dialectical critique for an undialectical
Justin Schwartz wrote:
Or
maybe He doesn't want to, or can't do anuthing about it, or doesn't know?
Any of these hypothese are inconsiastent with the usual three-A God.
The key lines (God himself speaking)in Milton's dramatization of the
Free Will Defense are:
But yet all is not don;
3) You wrote: A new qualitative development must take place within the
working class whose growth and development is prevented by the framework of
capital. Electronic-digital production is its trajectory of development is
absolutely incompatible with a system based on the buying and selling
God
by Devine, James
26 February 2002 15:10 UTC
JD: I wasn't raised as a Christian, but as I understand that faith, it's
humanity that's the source of evil. (The Devil is most important to the
fundamentalists, not the more sophisticated Christians.) God gave us free
will and we mostly
Charles writes:Your view sounds like Marx's. Marx doesn't say God doesn't
exist, but that God is alienated man ( which I take to be humanity). And
directly to what you say, he says the basis of irreligious criticism is man
(sic) makes religion, religion doesn't make man. ( A feminist critique
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On the necessity of socialism
by Waistline2
22 February 2002 19:17 UTC
Melvin:
On and off I have followed the politics of the CPUSA a little over thirty years; met
some wonderful members of their party and engaged in common work; used to live at
their old bookstore off Wayne Campus and
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We demand change in society along the direction of the productive forces,
No. Not true. _Many_ Marxists but by no means all put central emphasis
on the productive forces. Others argue that this proposition about the
necessary growth of productive forces applies
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Devine, James quoted an AIMS paper by Fred McMahon
saying:
Beginning in the late 1960s, the Dutch economy was damaged by what
should have been good news -- the discovery of natural gas in the
Slochteren offshore fields. Offshore revenues did not increase the
economy's
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4349061,00.html
I always liked Lennon's (not Lenin's) definition:
God is a concept by which we measure our pain.
Though I'm not exactly sure what it means.
Forstater, Mathew wrote:
I always liked Lennon's (not Lenin's) definition:
God is a concept by which we measure our pain.
Though I'm not exactly sure what it means.
And there's Wallace Stevens' line - sad men made angels of the sun
Doug
See Jeffrey Russell Burton's 5 vols. on the Devil from Cornell
U. Press. And, yup, I can't imagine say, Hans Kung or Jurgen
Moltmann, say believing in that guy with horns and pitchfork.
BTW, Proctor Gamble has for yrs. been, 'er, bedeviled, with
allegations over the yrs. by Xtian fundies
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We demand change in society along the direction of the productive forces,
No. Not true. _Many_ Marxists but by no means all put central emphasis
In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:54:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Charles Brown
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On the necessity of socialism
by Waistline2
22 February 2002 19:17 UTC
Melvin:
On and off I have followed the politics of the CPUSA a little over thirty years; met
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Good points below (Jim and Charles). It could be said that God exists is so far as it
is a projection of (hu)man
Greg Schofield wrote:
It could be said that God exists is so far as it
is a projection of (hu)man (which puts a different
twist on atheism then the simple contention that
it does not).
No it doesn't; the claim that god is a human projection _presupposes_
the non-existence of god, the
2) You say, Virtually all of us with a little gray in our heads developed a
conception of Marxism based on boundaries within capital that no longer
exist. I think as a vestigial die-hard, that the fundamentals have NOT
changed, that all economic avenues for capital are ultimately doomed.
Beginning in 1978 Zecharia Sitchin - one of the world renown linguist,
revolutionized this field of inquiry - including a substantial translation of
Gilgsmesh, with his 12th Planet, The Stairway to Heaven. The Wars of
Gods and Men, The Lost Realms, When Time Began, Devine Encounters,
The
Yoshie wrote,
Tom, we can't focus on the individual's role when discussing
solutions to the planet's problems (as Shawna Richer says Sut Jhally
does) such as the individual's consumer choices. That's not a
dialectical critique of capitalism. That's more like a program of
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PEN-L:23220
necessity of god, goddess,...
25 February 2002 21:40 UTC
Charles: I don't know if this is an interesting response (replying to Robert
Scott Gassler and not to Doyle's remark that was the subject of Robert's
reaction), but what popped into my head when I
I wonder what's happening. The two most active threads concern god and
fashion. Another long-running thread seems to involve only two people and
seems to be repeating itself quite a bit.
I was expected Jim Devine's little article that he posted from Business
Week to have created more interest.
Michael Perelman wrote:
I wonder what's happening. The two most active threads concern god and
fashion.
Face it, Michael - economics is boring. Even economists would rather
discuss almost anything else.
Doug
Face it, Michael - economics is boring. Even economists
would rather discuss almost anything else.
Doug
Doug,
Sorry but this time we found something to disagree. I think
economics is very interesting. Not neoclassical economics
though. There I agree with you: I know enough to say that it
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