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http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1907/19070430.htm
WORLD AFFAIRS
A WAR OF HORRORS
The 'war on terror' led by the United States is perhaps on the
verge of unveiling new horrors that the world could take long to
recover from.
SUKUMAR MURALIDHARAN
In his _Exit, Voice, and Loyalty_, Hirschman places Nader's campaigns in
the EVL approach.
Mohammad Maljoo
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Jim's Thurmon Arnold
Hindustantimes.com
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India's foreign exchange reserves rose by a record $ 1.128 billion in the
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The Europhile resident correspondent in Paris of the International Herald
Tribune promoting European interventionist economics rather than Bush's
liberal world market.
Chris Burford
Bush's remedy is only half a loaf William Pfaff International Herald
Tribune Thursday, March 28, 2002
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Nader is sort of a New Deal (FDR) liberal who used to believe in
competitive
markets, anti-trust, and some kinds of deregulation (e.g., breaking up
the
Civil Aeronautics Administration and the Interstate Commerce Commission,
the
old government cartels in airlines and ground
Ralph Nader is not a leftist. I doubt that he would call himself a
leftist. Is much more in line with the old populists, who believe in the
theory of Adam Smith . . .
Thank god for PEN-L. You learn something every day here.
Yesterday I learned that Nader, who draws thousands of people
to
untrue.
http://www.tap.org/
mbs
[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of
productive assets. . . .
G'day Max,
I'm not an expert, but I would summarize Smith's theory as the
good social effect resulting from narrow, self-seeking activity.
I defy anyone to find support for that among the old populists
or in Nader's movement.
I agree with the thrust of this, Max. You have to be pretty pure
Rob writes:Jim's plenty left for me.
thanks.
BTW, there was a recent effort to pin down the extremely vagud left/right
metaphor by a couple of political scientists (I don't remember their names,
but it was reported by SLATE magazine and by Paul Krugman). Their project
was to draw a map in
Max, I like Nader. I admire him very much. His main refrain is corporate
and government abuse -- people not playing fairly. He is not dogmatic,
but that is his central line. That does not mean that he would not
support labor rights and the welfare state. I would have expected
that you, who
There were two lines in the New Deal. The corporatists were not dominant
at first -- the Thurman Arnold, trust-busting line, was. The idea was
that corporate power caused the Depression by keeping prices high and
curtailing output.
On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 02:29:55PM +, Justin Schwartz
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...The End of Reform discusses the erosion of the New Deal after
the 1937 recession and the experience of World War II. Brinkley
notes how FDR, a consummate pragmatist, had held no design for
recovery but rather relied on bold experimentalism
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There were two lines in the New Deal. The corporatists were not dominant
at first -- the Thurman Arnold, trust-busting line, was. The idea was
that corporate power caused the Depression by keeping prices high and
curtailing output.
But Judge Arnold was no fan of unmbridged free markets.
untrue.
http://www.tap.org/
mbs
[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of
productive assets. . . .
Well, some, maybe, but virtually all? I mean Do you think he'd support
nationalizing all corporations above a certain low level, treating the mines
and the factories and fields and
I'm not an expert, but I would summarize Smith's theory as the
good social effect resulting from narrow, self-seeking activity.
I defy anyone to find support for that among the old populists
or in Nader's movement.
Smith would not accept this characterization, as you perfectly well know.
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Yesterday I learned that Nader, who draws thousands of people
to his rallies to
http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~shgape/sklar2.html
Ian's posting on Bush's commitment (sic) to free trade and
Krugman's comments about antiglobalism brought to mind the
following comment by Bruce Little, a business columnist in the
Globe and Mail, this past week commenting on the steel and
softwood lumber cases. Please note that Little is a
Justin Schwartz wrote:
But Judge Arnold was no fan of unmbridged free markets. Have you head his
The Folklore of Capitalism? A wonderful book. As I said, trust-busting isn't
the same idea as the current Stevens-Bork-Posner line that antitrsutis just
about efficiency.
I stumbled across
Really? Is that what leftistmeans? I'm not sure I would
support such a platform, not given the realities of
political corruption in the US and the experience of large-scale state
ownership in Russia. How exactly
would you sell this vision to the American public?
Ellen
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Greetings Economists,
First off sorry about the mix up the other day sending my unsubscribe
message to Pen-L. Sent my temporary unsubscription to the wrong address.
Had to go out the door for Los Angeles in a hurry, and of course got tangled
up.
Charles J. wrote an interesting set of
Greetings Economists,
Ellen F writes,
Really? Is that what leftistmeans? I'm not sure I would
support such a platform, not given the realities of
political corruption in the US and the experience of large-scale state
ownership in Russia. How exactly
would you sell this vision to the American
1) Paul Phillips writes:The problem has arisen in Canada as a result of declining
fish stocks. Apparently, it is not a problem of flushing pills
down the drain but with so many women taking birth control pills, the concentration of
hormones in waste water (sewage) that is not neutralized
by
I know about Arnold. My point was merely that the trustbusters had a very
different analysis of the cause of the Depression than the corporatists. They
believed that the large corporations cut production and kept prices high causing
the Depression to be as destructive as it was. Who brought up
This is a very interesting report about how government agencies have
supported Enron's vile activities around the world.
http://www.seen.org/PDFs/pawns.PDF
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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More malls hire bunnies to lure children, parents into
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Associated Press
03/29/2002
The Easter Bunny is making tracks on Santa Claus'
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From Financial Times, 30-31/3:
...the Saudi leader [Crown Prince Abdullah], who is scheduled to
meet with Mr Bush at his Texas ranch next month, insists that
the US president will help. 'I have confidence that once Bush is
aware of the circumstances and understands the situation,
he will do
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Sun Mar 31, 8:20 PM ET
By Beti Bilandzic
BELGRADE (Reuters) - Facing a freeze in U.S. aid for failing to meet a
deadline to hand over war crimes suspects, Serbian reformers said Monday
that Yugoslavia was in its worst crisis since they ousted Slobodan
Really? Is that what leftistmeans?
Never proposed to define it.
I'm not sure I would
support such a platform, not given the realities of
political corruption in the US and the experience of large-scale state
ownership in Russia.
Wasn't proposing the Soviet model, you know that. I like
Friends,
I read Nader, left, public ownership, etc., discussion with great
interest and hope that it doesn't end here. But now, I would like
to ask an unrelated question that you may want to discuss in
paralel.
Here is that unrelated question, not necessarily for our American
friends only: Is
Sabri, the housing bubble is real. Some of the bubble has deflated near
you, say in Palo Alto. Greenspan has been pushing the idea, and a number
of studies support him, that housing wealth has been much more important
than stocks in propping up consumption.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
Sabri, the housing bubble is real. Some of the bubble has deflated near
you, say in Palo Alto. Greenspan has been pushing the idea, and a
number of studies support him, that housing wealth has been much more
important than stocks in propping up consumption.
it's possible that the housing
http://www.outlookindia.com
Seeking Pain And Reducing Pleasure
In most situations, people tend to seek pleasure and avoid pain, which generally makes
sense. I want
to suggest that at this moment in history, U.S. citizens need to invert that..
Robert Jensen
In most situations, people tend to
I'm not an expert, but I would summarize Smith's theory as the
good social effect resulting from narrow, self-seeking activity.
I defy anyone to find support for that among the old populists
or in Nader's movement.
Smith would not accept this characterization, as you perfectly well know.
jks
I agree with the thrust of this, Max. You have to be pretty pure and
very lonely to be a proper lefty by some lights. But, I'd argue that
Smith reckoned the good social effects would only come if the
self-seeking business fraternity were very closely watched by state
agencies, else they'd
[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of
productive assets. . . .
Well, some, maybe, but virtually all? I mean Do you think he'd support
nationalizing all corporations above a certain low level, treating the mines
and the factories and fields and offices as belonging to the government and
Max, I agree with your characterization of Smith. I see the populists
as being like the Ricardian socialists in England in the mid 19th
Century. In both cases, they saw themselves as believing in markets.
Regulations were required to undue the damage created by people or
corporations that were
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