Re: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Gene writes: How do you adjust for the change in capital in telecom companies, before and after the melt-down? What's the denominator? World Com Global Crossing etc. Sabri adds: Hey, it is easy. Look, let there be two times (Did I sound God-like here?), and label them

Re: Exchange value of currencies

2002-04-19 Thread Chris Burford
At 18/04/02 12:35 +0200, RK wrote: The exchange value of currencies is the measure of the relative organic composition of capital. Chris Burford I suppose that everybody had understood the sentence this way. There is something true in this sentence, but it does not make a Marxian

Re: Exchange value of currencies

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
If I might muck this discussion up a bit (please read it and then go back to what you were doing if it has no use). A lot of money is made and lost trading money, so I got curious just what theoretical assumptions the people speculating on exchange rates operate under (goodness the things you

Re: Re: Exchange value of currencies

2002-04-19 Thread Romain Kroes
Although I think politically we share a dislike of US dollar hegemony, I do not quite find the reference you imply. Could you please quote the sentence? Am I looking in the wrong part of Section 2 - the first part only -? The quotes I used are from Dietz's German edition. As for the one

RE: Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Davies, Daniel
-Original Message- From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 April 2002 19:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:25116] Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates What do you meant that poor countries accrue interest liabilities that they don't pay? I was under the

What The Fuck Are You Saying How The Left Has Failed...

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.clamormagazine.org/issue13.3_feature.html Mentioned in the Chron. of Higher Ed. Michael Puggliese

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Ratios of inward and outward FDI stock to GDP, and FDI flows to gross fixed capital formation are tabulated for most countries in the various World Investment Reports of UNCTAD. They also calculate a transnationality index of FDI host countries, which averages the four shares: FDI flows (as a

Re: RE: Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:48:16 +0100, Davies, Daniel wrote: I take your point here (that is, if I understand you correctly as saying that we' re talking about imperialism rather than poverty per se here). But would you have said the same thing about Spain twenty years ago? No. Spain had a rather

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:37:28 +1200, Bill Rosenberg wrote: It's difficult to say what profit figures would show. The ability of TNCs to transfer their profits from one country another for tax, political or internal reasons must make the profit attributed to their operations in any one country

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
LP: But I wouldn't compare what happened in Australia to what happened to Nicaragua, however. The USA could have lived with a Labor government in Australia. It was on the other hand ready to break laws and risk a constitutional crisis to topple a government that it feared would become another

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:46:00 +0900, Charles Jannuzi wrote: US policies toward New Zealand came damn close when NZ objected to US ships not confirming whether or not they carried nukes in NZ waters and harbors. In the case of Australia, the US has taken the place of GB as key 'military ally' and

Prison monopoly threatens Michigan jobs

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Brown
Prison monopoly threatens Michigan jobs http://detnews.com/2002/editorial/0204/16/a13-466062.htm Tuesday, April 16, 2002 By Lawrence W. Reed / Special to The Detroit News Imagine a company that pays its workers as little as 25 cents an hour and often charges more for its goods than any of

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
The CIA in Australia, Part 1 ... and individuals in Australia. Today, in part 1 ... operations against the Whitlam government through the ... for covert actions. Covert Action often means the ... http://www.serendipity.magnet.ch/cia/cia_oz/cia_oz1.htm - 24k - Cached - Similar pages The CIA in

RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Davies, Daniel
To be fair, although there are known serious problems with depreciation, the WorldCom and Global Crossing affaires aren't really relevant to the statistics Doug quoted. The assets of WorldCom and Global Crossing are worth exactly what they were worth before the meltdown, as stock market

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
LP: Perhaps we have a different definition of imperialism. I don't regard US bullying and imperialism as the same thing. Switzerland and Sweden have never bullied anybody in recent years, but they are imperialist powers. US imperialism rules the roost, but it has junior partners including

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
April 5, 1998 THE SWISS, THE GOLD, AND THE DEAD By Jean Ziegler. Translated by John Brownjohn. 322 pp. New York: Harcourt Brace Company. $27. (Review) Gnomes and Nazis An account of Switzerland's role in financing Germany's war machine. By PETER GROSE (Peter Grose, a research fellow at

re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Devine, James
Daniel Davies writes: The assets of WorldCom and Global Crossing are worth exactly what they were worth before the meltdown, as stock market movements don't mean much to cables in the ground. The fact that the stock market's assessment of the future excess returns to be earned from renting out

US foreign investment

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Brown
US foreign investment by Doug Henwood 18 April 2002 19:43 UTC Doug: It's widely believed that foreign investment is largely about chasing low wages. But most FDI is targeted at high-income countries. It's also widely believed that imperial investment is the source of superprofits that

BATA SHOES (stems from Argentina, Australia and Canada)

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Louis P. pointed out that shoe production in SE Asia for western companies is often done through subcontractors. Bata Shoes has production and retail worldwide and it tries to sell shoes locally based on the income of the avg. worker so as to keep the shoes affordable. Everytime I go to Malaysia

RE: Re: FW: Quote of the day

2002-04-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Apologies for sending the quote before seeing the correction, and thanks to Louis for pointing it out. At least I didn't send the one about Spielberg making a movie on the Intifadah!

Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I would like to expand on what Daniel said. The problem with the BEA accounting is that it presumes that depreciation follows a preset, regular pattern regardless of changing economic conditions. In addition, the depreciation rates apply to broad ranges of capital goods. I do not doubt for a

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2002-04-19 Thread Devine, James
gadalmightee, the on-line ads are getting obnoxious. Today, looking at the on-line version of BUSINESS WEEK, I see this damn animation showing acrobats doing tricks -- between my eyes and the text I wanted to read. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Swedish Labor Market Question -- Dennis Collentine are you there

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I asked Doug Henwood a week or so ago if the Swedish system of retraining workers still existed? He thought that it did. This article seems to suggest that it might not. Temporary Work in Turbulent Times: The Swedish Experience BY: BERTIL HOLMLUND Uppsala University

Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Max Sawicky
I've worked with BEA people in the past. A friend of mine in Gov refers to them as righteous technicians. They are resolutely without political bias in their work. All of their procedures are vetted by panels of outside experts. Without doubt, you can spot all sorts of problems in their

FW: Spielberg to direct feature based on Palestinian Uprising

2002-04-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Title: FW: Spielberg to direct feature based on Palestinian Uprising Bogus, as far as I know. Sofor entertainment only. Spielberg to direct feature based on Palestinian Uprising April 16 2002 at 12:47 AM The Hollywood Reporter (no login) Spielberg to direct feature based on

Re: ads

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Perelman
A cheap program, Adsubtract, eliminates all the adds. Very efficient. On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 08:41:14AM -0700, Devine, James wrote: gadalmightee, the on-line ads are getting obnoxious. Today, looking at the on-line version of BUSINESS WEEK, I see this damn animation showing acrobats doing

Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Brown
Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment) by Bill Rosenberg -clip- Nice synthesis of these threads, Bill. Profits aside, two features of FDI which seem to clearly differentiate developed and developing countries (in the context of the US foreign investment thread, imperial

Re: ads

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
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RE: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Devine, James
I've worked with BEA people in the past. A friend of mine in Gov refers to them as righteous technicians. They are resolutely without political bias in their work. All of their procedures are vetted by panels of outside experts. one problem is that these outside experts are often

Sharon quote

2002-04-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
This one Im pretty sure about: Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them. - Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister,

RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Doug writes: Gee, better contact the folks at the Bureau of Economic Analysis. I bet they never thought of this! In fact, I'm sure they've never thought of many of the objections brought up on PEN-L over the last several days. They are, after all, just a bunch of third-rate public sector

The Gulf press viewpoint!

2002-04-19 Thread Ken Hanly
Gulf press blasts US Dubai April 19 2002 Gulf and Iraqi newspapers lashed out at the United States yesterday following Secretary of State Colin Powell's failure to force Israel to pull out of Palestinian territories it has reoccupied, charging that Washington was in cahoots with the Jewish

RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Max Sawicky
I think you missed Doug's sarcasm, or I have missed his seriousness. the public sector people are quite well educated. sometimes they are given things to do that are impossible to do well. but they still have to do them. they are not paid as well as some in the private sector, but you would be

RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Eric Nilsson
Max wrote, Without doubt, you can spot all sorts of problems in their work. But I would be willing to bet that you would not be able to arrive at a better way of doing it, given the same resources and data that are available to them. I generally agree with this claim. One of the main problems

RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Max wrote: I think you missed Doug's sarcasm, or I have missed his seriousness. the public sector people are quite well educated. sometimes they are given things to do that are impossible to do well. but they still have to do them. they are not paid as well as some in the private sector,

BLS Daily Report

2002-04-19 Thread Richardson_D
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 2002: RELEASED TODAY: In May 2001, about 29 million full-time wage and salary workers had flexible work schedules that allowed them to vary the time they began or ended work, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports. The proportion of

tapes from 2002 Socialist Scholars Conference

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
( eCLEANER got rid of the ) tapes from 2002 Socialist Scholars Conference From: Mark Pavlick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Fri Apr 19 2002 - 11:33:30 EDT Next message: Michael Pugliese: Re: Hardliners turn against Putin the reformer Previous message: pms: Bullish on the Euro Messages sorted by: [

BLS Daily Report

2002-04-19 Thread Richardson_D
RELEASED TODAY: Regional and state unemployment rates were generally stable in March, but were higher than a year earlier. All four regions reported little or no change form February, and 43 states recorded shifts of 0.3 percentage point or less, the Bureau of Labor statistics reported today. The

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Burgess
Grant wrote: country inward FDI stock/GDPoutward FDI stock/GDP Canada 23.9% 26.9% Australia 28.117.1 UK 23.335.9 France 11.715.9 Singapore 85.8

Fortune on Pakistan

2002-04-19 Thread F G
Pakistan: Kidnapped Nation http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtmldoc_id=207350 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Taubman gets VIP allies in bid for leniency

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Brown
Taubman gets VIP allies in bid for leniency U.S. Probation Office joins Gerald Ford, Henry Kissinger in opposing prison term By Francis X. Donnelly / The Detroit News http://www.detroitnews.com/2002/business/0204/19/a01-469409.htm Taubman sentence Citing his age and declining health, the U.S.

RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
First of all, except from a few occasions, I have not dealt with government agencies producing statistical information here in the US. On the other hand, I have some friends who worked at The State Planning Agency of Turkey, The Turkish State Statistics Organization (my translations) and the

Re: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Max Sawicky wrote: I've worked with BEA people in the past. A friend of mine in Gov refers to them as righteous technicians. They are resolutely without political bias in their work. All of their procedures are vetted by panels of outside experts. I've talked with scores of BEA and other USG

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- FromMichael Ya tes

2002-04-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Davies, Daniel wrote: To be fair, although there are known serious problems with depreciation, the WorldCom and Global Crossing affaires aren't really relevant to the statistics Doug quoted. The assets of WorldCom and Global Crossing are worth exactly what they were worth before the meltdown,

Re: Sharon quote

2002-04-19 Thread ALI KADRI
The other was his as well. Oz is lying to cover up so he pinned it on the dead man. --- Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one I'm pretty sure about: Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because

Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
But they've always struck me as serious, honest people who are completely aware of the strengths and limits of their work, and are very open about it. They deserve more respect than they get from lots of lefties. Doug Doug, I don't think anyone on this list would think that I am an

RE: Re: Sharon quote

2002-04-19 Thread Max Sawicky
The other was his as well. Oz is lying to cover up so he pinned it on the dead man. how do you know? don't you think there is enough to indict Sharon with, even without the quote? mbs

RE: RE: Re: Sharon quote

2002-04-19 Thread Devine, James
The other was his [Sharon's] as well. Oz is lying to cover up so he pinned it on the dead man. how do you know? don't you think there is enough to indict Sharon with, even without the quote? mbs also, it's hard to imagine that Sharon would be self-conscious enough to say what he

RE: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Eric Nilsson
Sabri wrote, And I worked at money management firms and other firms that provide analytics to them. ... But, there are those who are dishonest liars. I know it. I have worked with them. In my experience private sector data producers--particularly those in the financial sector--sometimes

Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
But, there are those who are dishonest liars. I know it. I have worked with them. Sabri Here is one more thing: I don't think Max can become the President of the US, nor can you, nor Jim Devine, nor Michael Perelman, nor Louis Proyect. Because you are too honest, my friends, too honest!..

RE: RE: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Devine, James
Didn't Merrill-Lynch financial advisors recently get in trouble for selling info that was inaccurate -- but helped the investment-banking side of the business? JD Eric writes: In my experience private sector data producers--particularly those in the financial sector--sometimes produce a

RE: RE: RE: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Eric Nilsson
Jim wrote, Didn't Merrill-Lynch financial advisors recently get in trouble for selling info that was inaccurate -- but helped the investment-banking side of the business? I know the LA Times has covered this at least twice a week or so ago, but I haven't see much in the WSJ about it. Eric .

Economics as religion

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
H-NET BOOK REVIEW Published by H-Business and [EMAIL PROTECTED] (April, 2002) Robert H. Nelson. _Economics as Religion: From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond_. University Park: Pennsylvania State University Press, 2001. xxvi + 378 pp. Index. $35.00 (cloth), ISBN 0-271-02095-4. Reviewed for

Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread ravi
a la michael pugliese ;-): - http://www.usatoday.com/money/finance/2002-04-19-merrill.htm No quick deal likely in Merrill Lynch case By Thor Valdmanis, USA TODAY NEW YORK -- The dark cloud hanging over the securities industry just got darker. Hopes of quickly achieving a final

Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread christian11
The WSJ has pretty much dropped the ball on the MS investigation. The most they've done is dribble stuff like below out a little at a time. I actually am surprised at this--they are generally more conscientious and interesting about stuff like this. AG's Probe Against Merrill Muddies

Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doug, Gee, Solow and Samuelson never thought of it either, when defending the idea of the production function. Luckily they had Joan Robinson to call it to their attention. But you and I are talking about different profit rates, as Daniel Davies has just pointed out. Gene Coyle Doug Henwood

Re: Exchange value of currencies

2002-04-19 Thread Chris Burford
At 19/04/02 11:02 +0200, RK wrote: This is not a theorem from Marx nor from Engels, but of mine. I have demonstrated it in a paper that is published on irép's website, the title of which is Asymmetry and Accumulation, or World System's Entropy. The rates of change are not exclusively linked to

With tax credits, now almost 1/3 of UK on benefits

2002-04-19 Thread Chris Burford
Hostile article in the Telegraph shows the extent to which New Labour's Gordon Brown has been extending tax credits so that almost 1/3 of the UK population are on some sort of benefit. Among the advantages to him of tax credits are 1) the burden of administration falls on the employer and the

Koehler grovels

2002-04-19 Thread Chris Burford
With the Chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change falling to White House atack yesterday, and the Chair of the International Inspection Agency on Chemical Weapons about to fall, the IMF Managing Director, Horst Koehler, knew how to sing for his supper this week. According to an

Koehler bullies

2002-04-19 Thread Chris Burford
Cowards are often bullies Speaking before the start Saturday of the semiannual meetings of the IMF and World Bank, where economic turmoil in Argentina is expected to be a major issue, Koehler said he was deeply concerned about the developments in Argentina and, in particular, the social

Koehler smarms

2002-04-19 Thread Chris Burford
How is this for an argument designed to ingratiate with the existing dominant powers, and perpetuate, and intensify such inequality. Koehler said Europe's leaders should stop being content with growth rates of 2 percent to 2.5 percent and raise the potential to 2.5 percent to 3 percent, which

Vietnam: Cash Carry

2002-04-19 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Far Eastern Economic Review Issue cover-dated April 25, 2002 VIETNAM Cash Carry An international wholesale chain is welcomed to Ho Chi Minh City. But will it thrive? By Margot Cohen/HO CHI MINH CITY Issue cover-dated April 25, 2002 FOREIGN INVESTMENTS OF $120 million don't come bouncing

Re: Economics as religion

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Tollison has written extensively about the Catholic church as a monopoly in the market for salvation. He is very conservative (of the Austrian variety) and so would not be sympathetic to the book. That he was as positive as he was suggests that the book might be good. -- Michael Perelman

Re: Koehler smarms

2002-04-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doesn't Koehler have this backwards? If Europe's production is growing faster, Europe needs more opportunities to sell its goods in Argentina. That means more loans from the IMF, doesn't it? Gene Chris Burford wrote: How is this for an argument designed to ingratiate with the existing dominant

Re: profit rates

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Didn't Merrill-Lynch financial advisors recently get in trouble for selling info that was inaccurate -- but helped the investment-banking side of the business? JD Well Jim, don't get me started. What is going on there is very sad, to say the least, very sad. I used to like the number 5 a

Argentina

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Top Financial News 04/19 19:44 Argentina Closes Banks Indefinitely to Block Deposits (Update4) By David Plumb Buenos Aires, April 19 (Bloomberg) -- Argentina closed banks indefinitely in an effort to block a rising outflow of deposits. Central Bank Vice President Aldo Pignanelli told the

Re: Economics as religion

2002-04-19 Thread phillp2
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: m [EMAIL PROTECTED], pen-l pen- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:16:51 -0400 Subject:[PEN-L:25197] Economics as religion Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At times

To Gene and Charles J.

2002-04-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
I don't know if you realized that, but I set my home page to Bloomberg some years ago. Note the words interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization down below. You progressive economists must be on to something. See you next week. Best from your mathematician friend, Sabri Top