Justin said
There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl
Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to attain
particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a short
leash.
Why not take that attitude to experts in general?
A Conference Summary paper summarizing some background papers on the status
of the philanthropic and nonprofit sectors in ten societies throughout Asia
Pacific:
http://www.asianphilanthropy.org/appc/appc_conference.pdf
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Chris Buford:
But it is not the case that there is nothing in the EZ that conforms to
the progressive interests of working people, just because it is a victory
for the ruling class. For one thing they generally appreciate the benefits
of a large market, as Lenin noted,
I know nothing about the US, but in New Zealand our centre-left
Labour-led government is proposing to give local government considerably
wider powers. I'm not sure how that effects the ability to tax, but it
seems to be modelled on the activities of the City Council in
Christchurch (where I
Gar Lipow wrote:
There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl
Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to
attain particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a
short leash.
Why not take that attitude to experts in general?
My
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 Bill Burgess wrote:
The US is being cited as a **positive example** of the ability of (some)
local governments to tax local income, sales, payroll, hotel rooms,
etc., while in Canada local governments are (generally) restricted to
taxing only real property. I'm trying
Ian Murray wrote:
What is a non-circular justification for laws
forbidding people to consume the chemicals of their choice or
purchase sexual pleasure in the market etc. etc.
Reporter: What is?
KM: (Long Pause) Struggle.
Carrol
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Devine, James wrote:
Speaking of expertise, my computer won't start. It tells me Non System
Disk or Disk Error. Replace and strike any Key when ready. Not only
can't I find the any key (usually the enter key will do)
You are joking, right? I don't see a happy face :o)
Original: I guess in one sentence what I'm looking for is a book that describes the
actually-existing Indian model and compares it to those others. Does such a thing
exist?
Reply: I found :
Dennis J Encarnation: Dislodging Multi-Nationals - India's Strategy in Comparative
Perspective:
G'day Justin,
The left should have learned by now to flee--as ordinary working people
will--from the idea of the Vanguard Party as the expert repository of
Political Expertise. It's not a menace any more, as it once was, but it's
political suicide to advocate it.
Whilst I agree entirely and
Here is a question for Doug Henwood or anyone else who may be able to
answer. I apologize if this has already been discussed:
In the stock market run-up in general, or for specific examples, e.g. Enron,
World-Com, etc.
1] How much money was actually placed in the stock during the run-up of the
Today's news here is about a fatal crash - on the ground at a
metropolitan airport, mind - of two light planes at 6.30 in the evening.
After a recent decision, the control tower is no longer manned from
6.00pm on account of typically low traffic after dinner.
And a dirty great tanker has just
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28840] RE: Expertise
--Hurricane (Bob Dylan)
My bad. It's the embarassing song Joey, a tribute to Crazy Joe Gallo.
Same
disc, though (Desire).
--
my impression is that Joey is a joke, a self-satire.
JD
Date sent: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:43:33 +1200
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Subject:[PEN-L:28849] Re: Question on US local government revenues
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28844] Experts vs. Intellectuals?
usually, an expert has narrow technical knowledge of some sort, that's used to solve some specific type of problem. An intellectual makes connections, synthesizes, knowledge of different sorts, an activity that's done for its own sake.
JD
Comrade Miyachi Tatsuo,
The responses to the article criticizing Wu Lien were reread and I am not entirely comfortable with what I have written. The theoretical premise was based on abstracting the "logic" from Marx Critique of the Gotha Program concerning value, exchange, distribution, equality
Title: [PEN-L:28855] Expertise Vanguards
-Original Message-
From: Devine, James
To: 'Rob Schaap '
Sent: 7/30/2002 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: [PEN-L:28855] Expertise
Rob is right. The Stalinist (sometimes called Leninist) conception of
the Vanguard Party is very similar to that of a
Please what? Ravi goes on about sort sort wierd context relative
truth, so I
just quoted Ari's old definition that no one has improved on these
2500
years.
=
Truth is more problematic than issues of representing form and we
frankly have no decision procedure for determining
Justin said
There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl
Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to attain
particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a short leash.
Why not take that attitude to experts in general?
Because
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Subject: [PEN-L:28858] RE: RE: Expertise
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:47:59 -0700
--Hurricane (Bob Dylan)
My bad. It's the embarassing song Joey, a tribute to Crazy Joe Gallo.
Same
Michael Pollak wrote:
Maybe not. It's perfectly possible that some crops are better
industrialized and some not. Or it's possible that all are better
industrialized. I'd just like to see some reliable figures and causal
explanations of why this is so.
But just to take your first example
Michael Pollak wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Devine, James wrote:
Speaking of expertise, my computer won't start. It tells me Non System
Disk or Disk Error. Replace and strike any Key when ready. Not only
can't I find the any key (usually the enter key will do)
You are joking, right? I
Michael Pollak wrote:
I guess in one sentence what I'm looking for is a book that describes the
actually-existing Indian model and compares it to those others. Does such
a thing exist?
I see what you mean and will keep my eyes open for a thing of that sort !
I am not sure models are
Justin Schwartz wrote:
if so, is
that form of truth meaningful in a general context?
What does that mean? There is one one form of truth, which is, as
Aristotle
said long ago, to say of that which is, that it is,a nd that
which
is not,
that it is not.
I can't speak for Ellen, but I suspect she was talking more aboutr
government programs - especially since none of the sectors she mentions
can be universal without heavy government involvement.
I too would be interested if someone does know where such cross
comparisons are available.
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28865] Bob footnote
It's about time that pen-l started debating important issues.
JKS: It's the embarassing song Joey, a tribute to Crazy Joe Gallo.
Me:my impression is that Joey is a joke, a self-satire.
JKS: One hopes. Joey, Joey, why did they have to come and blow
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28867] Re: Re: Expertise
Michael Pollak writes:
Put a diagnostic disk in your disk drive. Hopefully one
came with your
computer. That should have a DOS system file on it that
will let you boot
and look around and hopefully see what's wrong. If it's a hardware
or is
this all just an issue of the advantages and disadvantages of the
division of labour... etc.
That's exactly what it is. Truth has nothing to do with it.
jks
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Title: Afghanistan wedding bombing
from SLATE's daily news summary: The NY [TIMES] stuffs news that the U.N., in a rare move, is investigating the U.S.'s airstrike earlier this month in Afghanistan that killed about 50 civilians. The NYT says that the Times of London first broke the story.
Doug Henwood wrote:
ravi wrote:
so what is wrong with sitting at home and mashing lentils? isn't the
point that the choice be available? as for shiva's point: it's
unimportant whether its men who are doing it or women (she says
women because they are doing it today). the point she makes is
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28864] Re: RE: Expertise
Justin said: There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to attain particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a short leash.
someone asked: Why
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28868] Re: Re: Kerala
Ulhas writes: I am not sure models are useful. I don't want to sound trite, but I think each society is a unique combination of economic, political and ideological elements. That's why I am sceptical of claims of global theories. I believe in
I used to live down the street from Joey Gallo. The gangsters combined with a
hard boiled and tight-knit working class presence to make it a quiet enclave in
a rough area.
Gene Coyle
Justin Schwartz wrote:
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Abject apologies in advance for this breach of etiquette, but I promised I'd
help out a pal ...
If anyone knows of any research assistant/office admin level vacancies which
might suit a hard-working, seemingly able recent political science graduate,
in the general area of North America, please
Title: PK on banana finance
New York TIMES/July 30, 2002
Our Banana Republics
By PAUL KRUGMAN
[N] ew Jersey has always been a good state for scandals, and last week provided two. One, the case of Web-snooping by a Princeton admissions officer, which involved a total of 11 applicants to
Suckers
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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Subject: [PEN-L:28809] Re: Re: RE: Expertise
science does not think -- martin heidegger
(thought i would throw that one out and see what kind of
An interesting side issue re municipal power. In Alberta municipal
governments have had some of their powers removed to
regulate local development, specifically hog industries. There have been
effective campaigns in some Allberta municipalities
to restrict large hog operations. It is my
I am afraid Encarnation's book is very dated. There is not much in it
to talk about current India. You might check a book by
Kirit Parikh et al comparing East Asia and India. I can't seem to recall
the book. Kirit Parikh (now retired) was the Director of the Indira
Gandhi Institute of
Eugene Coyle wrote:
I used to live down the street from Joey Gallo. The gangsters combined with a
hard boiled and tight-knit working class presence to make it a quiet enclave in
a rough area.
I was told by someone who had been researching a book on the 'inner
cities' of Milwaukee
Title: Joey Gallo and the state
[was RE: [PEN-L:28884] Re: Re: Bob footnote]
Eugene Coyle wrote:
I used to live down the street from Joey Gallo. The gangsters combined with a hard boiled and tight-knit working class presence to make it a quiet enclave in a rough area.
Carrol writes: I
Devine, James wrote:
I understand that Windows software doesn't run as well on Macs, too.
http://www.connectix.com/products/vpc5m.html.
As noted in the Conference Summary Paper, philanthropic funding sources
supporting NGO activities in China, Hong Kong, and Korea consist of
individuals, corporations, foundations, and the like as well as of
government. Isn't the latter a government social program, a heavy
government
Yes I do object. With regard to reserach, neither I nor anyone here wants
to be told what to work on. Now, there is some democratization possible in
the decision to fund kinds of projects. The legislature can (and does)
decide to alot a certain amount of funds to, say, cancer research. Or
At 09:16 AM 07/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
4] To what degree has the bubble (aka new) economy been nothing more than
an elaborate and calculated scheme to steal money from employees and middle
class investors, or was it more fortuitous accident of history for those who
got rich at every one else's
I don't want to make you angry. You were being helpful. And sure,
government funding of NGO activies is one social program. But it is not
that much of a clue to overall size. I mean in the US, we have president
who is strongly committed to two principles - cutting overall funding of
social
[I wrote:]
It is a popular bourgeois myth that there is no place for expertise in
politics. Actually, there is room for knowledge, wisdom, a scientific
approach, and expertise everywhere, and certainly in politics.
[In a message dated 7/29/02 9:17:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL
Devine, James:
To say that models aren't useful is basically saying that theory and
abstraction have no role. But people can't think without abstraction. A
mere list of facts doesn't help at all.
The key is to combine abstract knowledge (theories, model) with concrete
knowledge of the real world.
Well, I'm glad we can agree on one thing--you are indeed a bourgeois
liberal.
Why you hang out on pen-l is still a mystery to me, however. I think very
few
people here regard themselves as bourgeois liberals. What is your
program--to wise up the left??
Oddly enough, I am on the left too. I am
What do you think of juries? Is this an example of the hoi polloi
interfering in your area of expertise?
Joanna
No. Juries find facts, they don't decide questions of law. Neither I nor any
other lawyer has any expertise in hwta happened in a particukar case. jks
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28894] Re: RE: Expertise
Is the fact that juries find facts while judges determine the law set in a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai? whatever happened to juries that reject unjust laws? is it always possible to make a hard-and-fast distinction between the
Justin Schwartz wrote:
I am in fact a socialist.
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you
reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist
one?
Doug
Justin Schwartz wrote:
I am in fact a socialist.
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you reconcile
a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist one?
Doug
As I have explained, liberal democracy (the politics we bourg libs support)
involves
The New York correspondent of the Swiss journal Neue Zuercher Zeitung (NZZ)
today reports on the recently published Fed paper Preventing Deflation:
Lessons from Japan's Experience in the 1990s.
A couple of days ago the NZZ also reported on a rumour going around that
the Fed could have
Justin Schwartz wrote:
What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral
suffrage? Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you
reject none of it. You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of
the people on this list.
I reject none of it except your label. It's too good
-0700
Is the fact that juries find facts while judges determine the law set in
a
stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?
No, but it's a rule of American law.
whatever happened to
juries that reject unjust laws?
It happens, We don't know about it unless the jurors say something
At 08:42 PM 07/30/2002 +, you wrote:
What do you think of juries? Is this an example of the hoi polloi
interfering in your area of expertise?
Joanna
No. Juries find facts, they don't decide questions of law. Neither I nor
any other lawyer has any expertise in hwta happened in a
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28899] Re: Re: Re: Expertise and Vanguard Parties
Doug writes: And what about that word liberal? It carries with it the now
largely forgotten modifier Manchester, no? An atomized competitive
system with no real room for notions of social solidarity.
there are two main
In a message dated 7/30/02 1:38:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I'm glad we can agree on one thing--you are indeed a bourgeois
liberal.
Why you hang out on pen-l is still a mystery to me, however. I think very
few
people here regard themselves as
Title: Legal Expertise
Me: Is the fact that juries find facts while judges determine the law set in
a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?
Justin: No, but it's a rule of American law.
and we should take US law as the only way things can be done?
JD
Hi Ellen (and Gar) - although it's not a web-resource, you might check-out
Gosta Esping-Andersen's well-known book _The Three Worlds of Welfare
Capitalism_ (Princeton UP, 1990). It covers at least some of the things
you're looking for, although it focuses more on policy regimes than
specific
Name calling and the like from both of you serves no purpose.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 08:38:05PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote:
Well, I'm glad we can agree on one thing--you are indeed a bourgeois
liberal.
Why you hang out on pen-l is still a mystery to me, however. I think very
few
The father of bourgeois liberalism (I put bourgeois in quotes here,
since if we mean industrial bourgeoisie, this would be inaccurate) - John
Stuart Mill - was also a socialist. And in fact, a market socialist, like
Justin Schwartz. When you extend liberalism to the workplace, things like
Devine, James wrote:
Me: Is the fact that juries find facts while judges determine the
law set in
a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?
Justin: No, but it's a rule of American law.
and we should take US law as the only way things can be done?
I know bourgeois liberals are
Hinrich Kuhls wrote:
A couple of days ago the NZZ also reported on a rumour going around
that the Fed could have directly intervened on stock markets and
could have bought large amounts of stocks
That one's always floating around. RIght-wing bears are particularly
fond of it. Who knows?
What happens outside the courthouse can make a lot of difference. Back
in the '70s a Normal cop framed for armed robbery a black student who
had offended him by beating a stupid traffic ticket. He got sentenced to
a fairly long prison term. At that point his mother told the story to a
woman who
Justin doesn't pollute my mind at all, in fact he has enlightening things
to say from which I, being ignorant about the USA, benefit. Every vanguard
party should have at least one Justin in it. Justin is in the vanguard
-regardless of whether you agree with him -, because he has been through
At 08:55 PM 07/30/2002 +, you wrote:
What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral suffrage?
Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you reject none of it.
You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of the people on this list.
Explain the bourgeois part.
Thanks,
there are two main types of liberalism:
(1) Manchester, classical, or neo liberalism, which embraces
_laissez-faire_; and
(2) New Deal, Keynesian, or modern liberalism, which embraces the state as
the solution to capitalism's various problems. (Most social democracy fits
here, BTW.)
These
Me: Is the fact that juries find facts while judges determine the law
set in
a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?
Justin: No, but it's a rule of American law.
and we should take US law as the only way things can be done?
JD
It's the way we do things here. Actually I think
Justin Schwartz wrote:
What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral
suffrage? Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you
reject none of it. You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of
the people on this list.
I reject none of it except your label.
See, Scott?
Juries are very much the hoi polloi you are so
contemptuous of and yet, according to many, they do a very creditable job.
I have been very impressed with the juries who have served before my judge.
jks
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28913] Expertise and Vanguard Parties
moi:there are two main types of liberalism:
(1) Manchester, classical, or neo liberalism, which embraces
_laissez-faire_; and
(2) New Deal, Keynesian, or modern liberalism, which embraces the state as
the solution to capitalism's
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28122] Re: democracy, language, and power
[This discussion isn't very coherent. If you're not interested, delete now.]
Awhile back, Ian wrote: Doesn't every democracy try to implement some set of abstract principles-and just what those principles shall be are themselves
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hinrich Kuhls wrote:
A couple of days ago the NZZ also reported on a rumour going around that
the Fed could have directly intervened on stock markets and could have
bought large amounts of stocks
That one's always floating around. RIght-wing bears are
In a message dated 7/29/02 6:27:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hari:
iii) Finally, I use this post to raise a matter re Project's article. To
Project, I would simply say that the whole problem of
the comprador- national-bourgeoisie divergence is ignored by him -
In a message dated 7/30/02 1:47:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Justin Schwartz wrote:
I am in fact a socialist.
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you
reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist
one?
Doug
I am a
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
You could be right about cotton production in Mali. My point is not about
cotton production for exports. My point was about textile industry
I don't think that changes the basic equation, Ulhas. The question still
is, how best to produce cotton of
At 12:00 AM 07/31/2002 +, you wrote:
What?! The Federal Reserve is explicitly authorized to take equity stakes
in private enterprise? My God, is there anything the sovereign state of
the Fed is *not* entitled to do?
I'm confused. The Federal Reserve, despite its name, is very much a
THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION has posted to its Web site a list
of the 947 companies whose top officials are required to file sworn
statements attesting to the accuracy of their companies' most recent
annual and quarterly financial reports. The list will link to the sworn
statements as
From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 12:00 AM 07/31/2002 +, you wrote:
What?! The Federal Reserve is explicitly authorized to take equity stakes
in private enterprise? My God, is there anything the sovereign state of
the Fed is *not* entitled to do?
I'm confused. The Federal Reserve,
Many of you are familiar with the story of the Tower of Babel, but just so
we all start on the same page, here it is (from King James version):
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they
found a
Justin:These (Manchester and New Deal liberalisms) are economic
liberalisms. I'm a political liberal, like Mill
and
Rawls.
please explain.
OK. Manchester liberalism is what we now call libertarianism, favoring a
nightwatchman state and unfettered free markets with private property. New
Carl Remick wrote:
What?! The Federal Reserve is explicitly authorized to take equity
stakes in private enterprise? My God, is there anything the
sovereign state of the Fed is *not* entitled to do?
The big financial dereg act of ca. 1980 authorized the Fed to buy
pretty much whatever paper
At 08:55 PM 07/30/2002 +, you wrote:
What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral suffrage?
Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you reject none of it.
You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of the people on this list.
Explain the bourgeois part.
Thanks,
Michael Pollak wrote:
snip
The second is whether GM crops should be admitted to the fields of India.
And specifically in this case, whether Bt cotton use should be expanded.
The argument for as I understand it is that it's cheaper because you can
spend less on pesticides. The
Justin Schwartz wrote:
As I said before, almost everyone here--you too--favors
univ. suffrage --- Yes
extensive civil rights and liberties Yes
representative govt - NO
This form of democracy has never produced democracy -- and it never
will.
It's replacement
A book review on Chinese economy in current Dissent:
Stephen F. Diamond on Joe Studwell's The China Dream and Azizur Rahman Khan
and Carl Riskin's Inequality and Poverty in China in the Age of
Globalization
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/
Stephen F. Diamond
School of Law
Santa Clara
At 09:16 AM 07/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
4] To what degree has the bubble (aka new) economy been nothing more than
an elaborate and calculated scheme to steal money from employees and middle
class investors, or was it more fortuitous accident of history for those
who
got rich at every one
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you
reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist
one?
Doug
dialectic?
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