At 13/11/02 20:47 -0500, you wrote:
Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage with the real
world, and perhaps prefer not to.
Chris Burford
Then I am opposed to engaging with the real world, if this means taking
the side of NATO against Yugoslavia.
Louis Proyect, Marxism
Didn't Marx say somewhere that the only capitalist phenomenon that the
bourgeoisie would nationalise, is debt? Can anyone help with the quotation?
The story below is about the bourgeois state having to step in to supervise
the writing off of vast sums of dead capital, in order to ensure the
The sentence is symbolic as well as ridiculous. Aghajari had brilliantly
resorted to the more or less identical argument that had been used by Marx:
religion is the opium of both the people and state. Aghajari had criticized
the Islamic principle of emulation (Taqlid) from religious leaders,
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New Zealand's Pharmac agency buys prescription pharmaceuticals on behalf
of the government for subsidised sale through pharmacies. It is detested
by the pharmaceutical companies (and the US government) because of its
hard nosed and efficient tactics which force down their prices. The
following
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat
The Cave by Jose Saramago? New translation reviewed in today's Christian
Science Monitor.
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat
* ...In the morning I walked to the bank. I went to the
automated teller machine to
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mat Forstater wrote:
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts.
I think the greatest of all time is _JR_ by William Gaddis.
Hey Mat,
A friend (you know who you are) recently turned me on to Gaddis' _JR_. [It's
difficult, but (so far) interesting.] If your student doesn't want something
quite so formally experimental, he might try Richard Powers' _Gain_ (which is
really great); Paul Erdman wrote dimestore econ novels
The Scarlet Empire, David M. Parry, 1906. This one is definitely not post
WWII, but it is notable for its explicit treatment of the point of view of
American right-wing industrialists. Parry was president of the National
Association of Manufacturers at the time he wrote the novel and the N.A.M.
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32176] Re: RE: Re: soc. from below
Michael Perelman, I can't respond to you directly (for some silly e-mail reason). But I must continue this for a little bit, since I want to make sure that misrepresentations don't end up unanswered.
I wrote:
Louis, if you want to set
At 02:56 AM 11/13/2002 -0500, Michael Pollak wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Diane Monaco wrote:
The G8 countries presently expropriate two times what they give in
aid
to the sub-Saharan African countries.
Diane, do you have a URL or other cite that lays out the stats for
this?
Michael
At 12:45 AM 11/13/2002 -0800, soula avramidis wrote:
see that is a capital revolving door account,
but a terms of trade account ould give you more. and a price/ value
analysis (cissors like) would give even more. it is a lot in any case
than what the price fetish conceals.
see barrat brown i
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat
* ...Our sentence does not sound severe. Whatever commandment
the prisoner has
Devine, James wrote:
Michael Perelman, I can't respond to you directly (for some silly
e-mail reason). But I must continue this for a little bit, since I
want to make sure that misrepresentations don't end up unanswered.
Back in the early '70s I read extensively in the exchange of
At 01:47 AM 11/14/2002 -0800, soula avramidis wrote:
foreign aid is the transefer of money from poor people in rich countries
to rich people in rich countries
Oh so true, Soula! And there are several ways to look at it:
1) Trade practices by rich countries that prevent poor countries from
At 08:31 PM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat
These three are roughly about the same time period:
At 02:34 PM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote:
The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent
on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation
magazine such urgent enemies?
Doug
Who says they're enemies? I think Carrol and I are saying, in different
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
(Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony
The Christian criticism of the 1940s and 1950s turned this work upside
down, into a justification of Divine Justice.
Carrol
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32210] Aesopian Language on Maillists
cbcox writes:
Back in the early '70s I read extensively in the exchange of polemics
between the USSR and PRC (actually between the Central Committees of the
two parties). In the earlier stages (before a formal break occurred),
the
Stephen Hymer's Monthly Review article on Robinson Crusoe is an excellent
example of using novels to teach economics.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:32217] Re: Re: economy in novels
no, they count as propaganda. They use a lot of references to things that are true (according to current knowledge) to back up a world-view that says that markets are the natural state of the world and the best way of doing things (perhaps
Do most economics principles texts count as fiction?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Devine, James wrote:
Do most economics principles texts count as fiction?
No, they count as propaganda.
It's possible for something to be both, even to be great at both, to be
great literature and great propaganda. Shakespeare's _Richard III_, for
example.
Michael
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
(Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony
The Christian criticism of the 1940s and 1950s turned this work upside
down, into a justification of Divine Justice.
Carrol
Here's a bit about Kafka's life that Mat might pass to his student,
in case s/he gets hermeneutically
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/02 02:17PM
I am quite sure that Toni Negri's terminology stands a very good chance of
becoming part of everyday academic discourse down the road.
Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
probably not, but how can one not like a guy who writes that
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat
J.K. Huysmans, _Against the Grain [A Rebours]_ (1884), Chapter 16:
* After the
Perphaps Goebels succeeded utterly in hijacking the word propaganda,
but in the 70 years or so since that hijacking, no one has really come
up with a word to serve the original quite neutral or even positive
meaning of the term -- namely, truthful writing intended to deepen the
understanding of
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carrol Cox wrote:
Perphaps Goebels succeeded utterly in hijacking the word propaganda,
but in the 70 years or so since that hijacking, no one has really come
up with a word to serve the original quite neutral or even positive
meaning of the term -- namely, truthful
In a message dated 11/14/02 8:44:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The fact is that the Russian Revolution failed, leading to the rise of a
powerful new stratum, a self-selecting elite (the CPSU). There were lots
of things that happened that were out of socialists' control
I am impressed by both the scope of offerings - and the volume of
replies to this question!
I am surprised however, by the lack of The Jungle by old Upton
Sinclair;
the lack of Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressel
(altho' I guess it could be classed as old - tho' if Shakespeare's
Michael Pollak wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carrol Cox wrote:
Perhaps so, but that's not what's going on in the case of Richard III.
It's propaganda in sense of being a lie.
I agree it was a lie -- but sticking to the old vocabulary, it was
(lying) agitation rather than (lying)
Chris Burford wrote:
At 13/11/02 14:34 -0500, you wrote:
The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics
hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri
and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies?
Doug
Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage
Doug Henwood wrote:
Chris Burford wrote:
At 13/11/02 14:34 -0500, you wrote:
[clip] Why are Toni Negri
and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies?
Doug
Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage with the real
world, and perhaps prefer not to.
By the way, the editor of
Devine, James wrote:
If CJ is Charles Januzzi (sp?), I don't equate him with Louis (LPN?)
at all. As for Satan, he doesn't exist.
the death of Satan was a tragedy for the imagination
-- Wallace Stevens
Oh, of course, I left out the old testament of capitalism
Robinson Crusoe
and the new testament
Lost Illusions (Balzac)
cause you said you wanted more modern stuff.
Joanna
[preparing for GATS]
(11-14) 12:32 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --
President Bush plans to subject as many as 850,000 federal jobs to
competition from the private sector, administration officials said Thursday,
a sweeping reform long sought by Republicans and stiffly opposed by labor
unions.
Nearly
the death of Satan was a tragedy for the imagination
-- Wallace Stevens
Satan is NOT dead, 'e's just pinin' for the fjords.
Tom Walker
604 255 4812
well, wouldn't you be?
Joanna
At 05:50 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:
the death of Satan was a tragedy for the imagination
-- Wallace Stevens
Satan is NOT dead, 'e's just pinin' for the fjords.
Tom Walker
604 255 4812
This is inherent to getting the taxpayers the best deal for their dollars
and the best service from the government, said Trent Duffy, spokesman for
the Office of Management and Budget.
It's called building a permanent Republican party gravy train. The only
thing inherent in the plan is the stench
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:09 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:32236] Re: outsourcing the State
This is inherent to getting the taxpayers the best deal for their dollars
and the best service from the government,
http://www.theonion.com/onion3842/marxists_apartment.html
At 07:47 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3842/marxists_apartment.html
OK. That was too, too silly. How could three male roommates ever achieve
socialism? Now with three female roommates, things might be different :)
Besides, is it possible to have socialism in one
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:32239] Re: why marxism doesn't work
At 07:47 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3842/marxists_apartment.html
OK. That
The Repugs may well overreach themselves.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh that's easy. Whoever doesn't get the chocolate gets the next fuckable man.
Joanna
At 08:07 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:
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From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:32239] Re: why
I received an email asking for suggestions of books which discuss the
relevance of Marxism for an understanding of contemporary political
economic circumstances. Any suggestions?
Michael Yates
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel.
Title: here's how to criticize Corn
from the L.A. Weekly 11/14/02, in response to David Corn's article there (last week @ http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/50/news-corn.php):
"COMMIES" AND OTHER ANACHRONISMS
In "Behind the Placards" [November 1-7], David Corn alleges, I believe correctly,
--- Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Didn't Marx say somewhere that the only
capitalist phenomenon that the
bourgeoisie would nationalise, is debt? Can
anyone help with the quotation?
The story below is about the bourgeois state
having to step in to supervise
Basic deal is a
pretty silly stuff...there's a problem of aggregation...not to mention
imagining a pocket of apartment socialism in a sea of capitalism
Cheers, Anthony
xxx
Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor
Comparative
I am surprised however, by the lack of The
Jungle by old Upton
Sinclair
There are other worthwile works (I mean authored
by others) of the muckraking period to consider.
I'd start listing some, but, to be honest, I'm
not paid to maintain my interest in 19th and
early 20th century American
The whole book is at gosh.com
Sister Carrie, by Theodore Dreiser
The Lure Of The Material--Beauty Speaks For
Itself
The true meaning of money yet remains to be
popularly explained and comprehended. When each
individual realises for himself that this thing
primarily stands for and
Joanna Bujes wrote:
well, wouldn't you be?
Joanna
At 05:50 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:
the death of Satan was a tragedy for the imagination
-- Wallace Stevens
Satan is NOT dead, 'e's just pinin' for the fjords.
Not really. I'm one hour away from 'em by bus,
From today's Cryptic Crossword in the Guardian:
3, 14 down: King showing affection to his daughter is widely seen as a
warmonger. (5,9)
Answer: Henry Kissinger
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