Re: extra terrestrial interventions.

2002-12-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/27/02 4:13:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am disappointed by Melvin's contribution - Re: [PEN-L:33437] Re: Rael: "atheist, non-profit, spiritual organisation", You do raise an interesting question concerning the rise of commodity production and

RE: Re: Re: Re: Too much PC

2002-12-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33433] Re: Re: Re: Too much PC It is quite hopeless to fight against the use of terms such as crazy, nuts, loony tunes, even lunacy and lunatic, to apply to intellectual, social, or political characteristics. But your (and my) goal can still be achieved. We must attack the

RE: Re: Re: The Economist considers Karl Marx new ref # 33417

2002-12-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33442] Re: Re: The Economist considers Karl Marx new ref # 33417 Joanna writes: But take my word for it, [in the US] there is a level of anxiety, of unrelenting fear and mistrust, the likes of which I have not encountered anywhere else on earth. Michael Moore's BOWLING

RE: Re: The ideological implications of Scorcese's latest film

2002-12-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33463] Re: The ideological implications of Scorcese's latest film for what it's worth, I read that before Daniel Day-Lewis starred in G of NY, he had dropped out of acting to work as an Italian shoe-maker. Jim -Original Message- From: Yoshie Furuhashi To: [EMAIL

Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Carrol Cox
To my mind, the rejection of Mark Twain's HUCK FINN as racist because it uses the N word Just for accuracy's sake. I suppose some label racist for that reason, but the feature of the book focused on by those who read it is not the language but that last terrible section in which Tom Sawyer

RE: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33479] Huck Finn that's my favorite part of the book, not because it's pleasant (it's not) but because it makes the moral message of the book as clear as possible. One the one hand, there's Tom Sawyer, the representative of the conventional morality of the day: Tom follows

Re: Too much PC

2002-12-29 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Eugene Coyle wrote a nice response to me, and I thought I would add some clarification to my somewhat cryptic response to Carrol. There is a good metaphor from Spike Milligan who died this year. Spike was a British comedian post WWII who worked early on with Peter Sellers.

got milk? (last graph)

2002-12-29 Thread Dan Scanlan
Posted on Fri, Dec. 27, 2002 Unmanned drones will guard U.S. coastlines BY DEREK ROSE New York Daily News NEW YORK - Aerial drones have had starring roles in the war on terrorism, but a new generation of the flying robots is going to be deployed to patrol the U.S. coastline for drug

[Fwd: [helpless] Lucent is number 1!]

2002-12-29 Thread ravi
Original Message http://tinyurl.com/3us2 [...] No. 1: Lucent execs Claiming the top spot for the second year in a row (see 2001 Top Ten: Fat Cats ), Lucent Technologies Inc. (NYSE: LU - message board) again demonstrated its ability to richly reward a chosen few while

Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Eugene Coyle
On the Opinion Page of the WSJ, 12/26/02 there is an essay by Peter Huber, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Title: Antitrust's Real Legacy. (read it below.) There are two things that are important about the essay. First, Huber has figured out that deregulation of network

Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Bill Lear
On Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 12:42:17 (-0800) Eugene Coyle writes: Because the right relentlessly preaches competition, competition, competition, competition, as the essence of the free enterprise system, there is no way a politician can come forward

Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Eugene Coyle
Agreed, they want profit -- but they talk competition. Gene Bill Lear wrote: On Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 12:42:17 (-0800) Eugene Coyle writes: Because the right relentlessly preaches competition, competition, competition, competition, as the essence

Re: Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Eugene Coyle wrote: Agreed, they want profit -- but they talk competition. So why did capital back deregulation in so many industries if it's so opposed to competition? Doug

as goes Maine, so goes the nation?

2002-12-29 Thread Dan Scanlan
Anti-Racist Action has called for mass opposition to the Jan. 10 deadline by the INS for nationals from 13 more countries to report, and had been planning a Jan 4 meeting to make further plans, but we are happy to participate in the call for a meeting January 2 at CARECEN, initiated by Not In

Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Bill Lear
On Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 13:19:06 (-0800) Eugene Coyle writes: Agreed, they want profit -- but they talk competition. Yes indeed, and they (corporations) are very good (read, they have lots of money to pay for exquisitely detailed propaganda services) at pretending that what they crave is

Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Bill Lear
On Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 16:51:25 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: Eugene Coyle wrote: Agreed, they want profit -- but they talk competition. So why did capital back deregulation in so many industries if it's so opposed to competition? Because short-term competition can weed out weak ones?

re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Dan Scanlan
So why did capital back deregulation in so many industries if it's so opposed to competition? It needed a bigger playing field? If you've already got most of the marbles, regulations to keep out the competition don't matter. But you do need more space (options) to stash your stuff. Dan

RE: Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33489] Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost) On Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 13:19:06 (-0800) Eugene Coyle writes: Agreed, they want profit -- but they talk competition. Bill Lear writes: Yes indeed, and they (corporations) are very good (read, they have lots of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Which industries are you thinking about and which regulations? Some regulation limits competition and some put limits on corporations. So deregulation is a fuzzy term. On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 04:51:25PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: So why did capital back deregulation in so many industries if

Re: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
that's my favorite part of the book, not because it's pleasant (it's not) but because it makes the moral message of the book as clear as possible. One the one hand, there's Tom Sawyer, the representative of the conventional morality of the day: Tom follows all the official rules (since he's

Re: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
To my mind, the rejection of Mark Twain's HUCK FINN as racist because it uses the N word Just for accuracy's sake. I suppose some label racist for that reason, but the feature of the book focused on by those who read it is not the language but that last terrible section in which Tom Sawyer

Racial Justice 9-11?

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
I've heard that the second national gathering of Racial Justice 9-11 (Cf. http://www.rj911.org/ http://www.war-times.org/current/6art9.html) was held in Los Angeles. Did anyone attend it? What came out of it? -- Yoshie * Calendar of Events in Columbus:

RE: Re: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Max B. Sawicky
http://www.racetraitor.org/huckfinn.html Seeing Gangs got me to reading How the Irish Became White by Noel Ignatiev, which I like a lot. He also edits the Race Traitor mag/web site (see above). In the book he proposes that Huck Finn is modeled after slave narratives, which by then had been

Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Yes, yes. yes. This is the economics of the economists of the late 19th century, as well as that of Herbert Hoover, who wanted the ceconomy to be regulated by industrial organizations. The all saw that markets could not work with high capital costs and low fixed costs. Wierdly enough, these same

Re: Religion/sex/social space

2002-12-29 Thread joanna bujes
At 06:45 PM 12/28/2002 -0800, you wrote: Good Vibrations is a business, and thriving in a difficult time. What is happening? You bet Good Vibrations is doing great! According to my roommate who works there, they are thriving and expanding. She said the best thing she saw this Xmas were whole

Re: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread joanna bujes
At 09:51 AM 12/29/2002 -0600, you wrote: Just for accuracy's sake. I suppose some label racist for that reason, but the feature of the book focused on by those who read it is not the language but that last terrible section in which Tom Sawyer frees Jim. Try to imagine a book in which two black

Re: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
I always thought a little bit too much had been made of Huck Finn, and not quite enough of Puddinhead Wilson. It's been decades since I read either, but I have a clear recollection of the latter as much more subversive of the times. Ditto for A Connecticut Yankee. Perhaps both were less

Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Michael Pollak
Weirdly enough, these same 19th C. economists wrote neoclassical textbooks that taught just the opposite. Like who? And where did they expound the ideas that were the opposite of what was in their textbooks? I'm sure you've written a book on this so you can just fob me off with the title :o)

Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Michael Pollak
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Michael Perelman wrote: So why did capital back deregulation in so many industries if it's so opposed to competition? Which industries are you thinking about and which regulations? Airlines, telecoms and electricity? Michael

Re: Re: Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Michael Pollak
This subject line looks like Max Headroom tagline. Michael

Re: Re: Re: Right wing sees the light! (almost)

2002-12-29 Thread Eugene Coyle
Michael Pollock asks Like who? And where did they expound the ideas that were the opposite of what was in their textbooks? Like who? A. T. Hadley, Economics, 1896. He wrote The price which will induce new competitors to enter the field is also much higher than that which will lead

Re: Huck Finn

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Just for accuracy's sake. I suppose some label racist for that reason, but the feature of the book focused on by those who read it is not the language but that last terrible section in which Tom Sawyer frees Jim. Try to imagine a book in which two black men subject a white woman to such

Growing U.S. Need for Oil From the Mideast Is Forecast

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
NYT December 26, 2002 Growing U.S. Need for Oil From the Mideast Is Forecast By JEFF GERTH WASHINGTON Dec. 25 - As President Bush seeks to reduce American reliance on oil imported from the Persian Gulf, new government studies predict that in two decades the West will be even more dependent

General Strike in Nepal

2002-12-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* 29 Dec 2002 11:54 Nepal capital paralysed by rebel strike (Recasts with quotes from government official) By Gopal Sharma KATHMANDU, Dec 29 (Reuters) - A general strike called by Maoist rebels paralysed Nepal's capital Kathmandu on Sunday but was generally peaceful. Most shops were