Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: G. William Domhoffreplies...Thewhole thing?

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Hoover
From: Michael Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] re. domhoff, his study of social backgrounds of powerful white men was significant contribution to wright's 'power elite' theory for what little it's worth, i meant wright mills above, i know my theorists, really i do... mh

death toll and media watch

2003-03-22 Thread Chris Burford
In response to Kendall Clark Re: [PEN-L:35870] Re: The politics underlying the war It may be useful to keep a running toll of deaths. 12 allied troops killed in a helicopter crash a day or so ago, (8 british marines, 4 US - probably commandos) 2 US soldiers killed by enemy fire this morning 7

Turkish troops into Kurdistan

2003-03-22 Thread Chris Burford
Tureky has moved more troops into Iraqi Kurdistan. The US is said to have opposed this. The Iraqi Kurds are said to have offered to put their forces under a US general. Comments on this dangerous situation fraught with contradictions between imperialism, and two nationalism? preferably from

Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins

2003-03-22 Thread Chris Burford
eloquent liberal condemnation of the war http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,919618,00.html

Re: The politics underlying the war

2003-03-22 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-03-21 16:18 -0500, Melvin wrote: My discomfort and criticism is not your junior imperialist liberal stance but your non-Marxist standpoint. I am sorry but I absolutely do not accept that I have a junior imperialist liberal stance. I quite understand that some people may think that I

BEYOND CLAUSEWITZ

2003-03-22 Thread soula avramidis
article by lee harris goes like this: 8: BEYOND CLAUSEWITZ The modern liberal world system has permitted the growth of power in the hands of those who have not had to cope with reality in order to acquire this power: it has simply been given to them, out of the sense of fair play prevalent among

Re: Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins

2003-03-22 Thread soula avramidis
http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htm Liberal intellectuals are never happier than when, with patronizing smiles, they can dilate on the stupidity of George Bush. What I have tried to show is that Bush is neither retarded nor misdirected. Given his class perspective and interests, there

Politics of 'Oil for Food': First Shoe Drops

2003-03-22 Thread Paul_A
Further to my post yesterday. The article, posted from Brussels, is short on specifics: exactly what has the US\UK proposed, what is in the draft resolution circulated in NY and being discussed in a closed Security Council Meeting today. Am not aware of any reporting from the UN or

Re: Re: Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins

2003-03-22 Thread Carl Remick
From: soula avramidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htm Liberal intellectuals are never happier than when, with patronizing smiles, they can dilate on the stupidity of George Bush. What I have tried to show is that Bush is neither retarded nor misdirected. Given

The Politics of Food for Oil: A second shoe drops

2003-03-22 Thread Paul_A
Just found this on the wire - according to Google News this is the only such report. The big issues seem to be out on the table yet I still know of very little reporting in the press or tv. Looks like yesterday's France's position at the Brussels meeting may lead the US/UK to postpone trying

Re: Re: Re: Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins

2003-03-22 Thread soula avramidis
Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: soula avramidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htmLiberal intellectuals are never happier than when, with patronizing smiles, they can dilate on the stupidity of George Bush. What I have tried to show is that Bush is neither

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins

2003-03-22 Thread Carl Remick
From: soula avramidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: soula avramidis http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htm Liberal intellectuals are never happier than when, with patronizing smiles, they can dilate on the stupidity of George Bush. What I have tried to

Re: Re: Pearls from Perle and Hammurabi

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
The Absolute Mind manifests itself through Bush. Bush is obviously conscious of this in his claim he is bringing Freedom to Iraqthink of how rationality is embodied in the weapons of mass destruction of the US and how might is now making the right of pre-emptive war in International

Re: death toll and media watch

2003-03-22 Thread Hari Kumar
Chris: I agree that this might be useful. Having heard the sanitary Frank briefing on the box just now, such a listing is even more important. It seemed ot me that the only serious questioning came form the BBC the CBC. As a Canadian aside, the news regarding the friendly fire incident (In

Iraqs weapons of mass destruction

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
Shouldnt the US be discovering Iraqi weapons of mass destruction soon or encountering demonstrations that Iraq is trying to use them. Or will the US and its sub-contractors simply fall back on other justifications or the success of the invasion? Or alternatively will evidence be planted to later

censorship

2003-03-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: censorship ken writes: PS Just heard on CBC that a Florida radio station that has a weekly program of news from Canada has discontinued it on the grounds it will not broadcast any news that does not support the war! --- speaking of which, a lot of radio stations are

re: Iraqs weapons of mass destruction

2003-03-22 Thread Hari Kumar
Ken: The point was made to the 'Great Liberator Franks' - by the CBC press and one other reporter (could not catch who) as to whether or not the Iraqis really had WMD, or was this a lie allowing the invasion? Franks evaded the question's thrust, merely saying that they are waiting to see what

RE: Re: Re: Re: Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins

2003-03-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35908] Re: Re: Re: Bin Laden's victory - Richard Dawkins I see nothing wrong with sneering at George W. Bush as long as it's not the whole story. It says that like Ronald Reagan before him, he's a figurehead, representing a coalition of forces (led by Cheney _et al_). It

Re: Re: The politics underlying the war

2003-03-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 3/22/03 12:34:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 2003-03-21 16:18 -0500, Melvin wrote: Acknowledged Melvin P

Re: Politics of 'Oil for Food': First Shoe Drops

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
Is there really any possibility that the US would allow the UN to be in charge of post-Hussein Iraq? Of course they want a do-gooder role for the UN so that the cost of humanitarian aid and reconstruction can be shifted from the destroyers to critics of the war. But isnt it clear that whatever

FW: Bushwhacked again

2003-03-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: FW: Bushwhacked again Author links Bush family to Nazis Published on November 12, 2000, Article 2 of 4 found. (Sarasota Herald-Tribune (FL), 499 words.) The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal

More Lawyers say war illegal

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
1) Canadian law professors declare US-led war illegal - 22 March 2003 2) Australian legal experts declare an invasion of Iraq a war crime - 27 February 2003 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/lawy-m22.shtml Canadian law professors declare US-led war illegal By Henry Michaels 22 March

impeach G War Bush

2003-03-22 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: impeach G War Bush Congressman John Conyers is asking you if you want Bush impeached! Spread this far and wide, House Representative Congressman John Conyers on the Judicial Committee is asking you to, through his legislative assistant Alexia, fax or email if you want Bush impeached.

space rents

2003-03-22 Thread Ian Murray
NASA Shift Could Rock Small Firms By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, March 22, 2003; Page E01 If NASA makes major changes in the nation's manned space program after the loss of the shuttle Columbia, the companies watching nervously won't just be giant enterprises such as

Re: Re: Re: The politics/sorry Chris

2003-03-22 Thread Waistline2
My passions will be my undoing. I can explain nothing on the basis of "hegemony" because that sector of the working class I interact with is driven differently. I should stay out of the continuing debate between you and Lou - both men of deep respect, that have been waged over the years.

Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Carrol Cox
This article by Geoffrey Heard is one of the better I've seen on the war. This URL takes you to the printer-friendly version. Carrol http://slash.autonomedia.org/print.pl?sid=03/03/20/1330253

Re: FW: Bushwhacked again

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Perelman
He documented this in a book, The Secret War Against the Jews -- not a particularly good title. Prescott worked alongside Herbert Walker, the HW in GHWB, who may have been his father in law, if I recall. On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 09:17:26AM -0800, Devine, James wrote: Author links Bush family to

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: G. William Domhoff replies...The whole thing?

2003-03-22 Thread phillp2
you know Louis, that tenure and job security protects incompetence and laziness among the few. But it also protects those of us who chose to attack the orthodoxy and the mainstream crap. Take away that protection and you destroy us. I have spent my life writing and researching in support of

Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Peter Dorman
I'm both happy and a bit embarrassed at the way this dollar-euro story is being picked up by the antiwar movement. I'm happy because the extreme vulnerability of the US payments situation is crucial to any analysis of the geopolitics of the current moment. Talking about this represents an

Re: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Ellen Frank did a nice job of handling this question on KPFA about a week ago. Maybe she should chime in. On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 12:25:44PM -0800, Peter Dorman wrote: I'm both happy and a bit embarrassed at the way this dollar-euro story is being picked up by the antiwar movement. I'm happy

Iran and smart missiles

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
One missile hit a govt. building so perhaps it is a gentle reminder to Iran that it is part of the axis of evil. Lucky there is no North Korean consulate nearby.. Cheers, Ken Hanly WASHINGTON - As many as three U.S. missiles aimed at targets in Iraq may have landed in Iran, two officials at the

US opinion polls

2003-03-22 Thread Peter Dorman
The New York Times presented more polling data today. One question that interests me is how opinion is split based on the role of disinformation. Specifically, how do the percentages of those for or against the war differ depending on whether respondents believe that Iraq was responsible for

Re: More Lawyers say war illegal

2003-03-22 Thread Carl Remick
Canadian law professors declare US-led war illegal Hmm, once Iraq gets pulverized I guess there will be an opening in the Axis of Evil, so perhaps the Bush crew will turn their gaze northward -- across that famous world's longest undefended border -- and realize they can do some cleaning up

oil rents

2003-03-22 Thread Ian Murray
Saturday, March 22, 2003 Ethnic clash roils Nigeria Tribal fighting in oil-rich country could threaten world supplies SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER NEWS SERVICES OGBE-IJOH, Nigeria -- Exhausted, hungry villagers -- who were fleeing days of fighting in the oil-rich Niger Delta -- told yesterday of

RE: NYC demonstration

2003-03-22 Thread Alan Jacobson
In Detroit there is a demonstration being built for April 5 that will be probably 10k-15k, twice or three times the size of March 15, due to the participation of a number of key African-American churches and the fact that Rep. John Conyers and the UAW International is pushing it. I understand the

Re: US opinion polls

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug Henwood posted data on this to his list. Maybe he could resend them here. There was a striking difference according whether or not people held the evil Saddam responsible for 9-11 or not. On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 01:13:07PM -0800, Peter Dorman wrote: The New York Times presented more

Re: re: Iraqs weapons of mass destruction

2003-03-22 Thread Joel Blau
It may be a bit of a stretch, but it is entirely within the realm of possibility that WMD are this war's Gulf of Tonkin resolution. No attack on U.S. destroyers, no WMD, but the truth doesn't matter once you've got your war. Just came back from the New York march, where the stream of people

Supporting the Troops (by Stan Goff)

2003-03-22 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* MILITARY MATTERS | no. 13 Supporting the Troops by Stan Goff ...This hasn't been an easy time for Bush and his killer clowns. It hasn't been an easy time for a lot of so-called liberals either. An anti-war movement came onto the scene, and not just any anti-war movement. It is now

Re: Re: More Lawyers say war illegal

2003-03-22 Thread Dan Scanlan
Hmm, once Iraq gets pulverized I guess there will be an opening in the Axis of Evil, so perhaps the Bush crew will turn their gaze northward -- I'm afraid the open slot will be filled by the American peace protesters. The Patriot Act is the opening salvo, a warfront anticipated by corporate

federal generosity

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Perelman
This came from the Wall Street Journal Washington Wire column. Has anybody seen anything about this? Energy Department inspector general says workers at Nevada Test Site, sold a surplus oil-drilling rig for $50,000 to a community group, which resold it to a broker, who lists it for $3.9

RE: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35927] Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War I'll plead ignorance and then speculate nonetheless: It seems to me that the clash of currencies is pretty one-sided. Though the Eurocrats would _like_ the Euro to be a world-class currency like the US$, it seems unlikely

Re: Conquering the Mideast

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Much of this seems to have come from a recent Robert Fisk article. On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 10:05:07AM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: WSJ, March 19, 2003 Past Mideast Invasions Faced Unexpected Perils Invaders Have Been Repelled While Arab Casualties Mount By HUGH POPE and PETER WALDMAN

RE: RE: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Krugman argues that the issue is a crock: http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/oildollar.html His argument looks right to me. max I'll plead ignorance and then speculate nonetheless: It seems to me that the clash of currencies is pretty one-sided. Though the Eurocrats would _like_ the

NYC demo

2003-03-22 Thread Doug Henwood
I just posted some pictures of today's NYC antiwar demo: http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/March22_intro.html. Doug

Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War -Original Message- From: Devine, James To: 'Max B. Sawicky ' Sent: 3/22/2003 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [PEN-L:35942] RE: RE: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War I agree with PK that the war-for-the-dollar story is a crock, but there

RE: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I'd be at a loss to cite evidence that the Bush Admin is concerned about the exchange rate, but the full-spectrum thing sounds plausible. It accords with the we're in charge of everything mindset I imagine in the WH. mbs Sent: 3/22/2003 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [PEN-L:35942] RE: RE: Re: Clash of

Re: Re: Politics of 'Oil for Food': First Shoe Drops

2003-03-22 Thread Paul_A
Ken Hanely wrote: Is there really any possibility that the US would allow the UN to be in charge of post-Hussein Iraq? Of course they want a do-gooder role for the UN so that the cost of humanitarian aid and reconstruction can be shifted from the destroyers to critics of the war. But isnt it

Re: Re: Re: More Lawyers say war illegal

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
What about the Vatican? Chretien has been telling his cabinet ministers to shut up and dont criticise the Americans. The Pope on the other hand has claimed that the war is immoral.He doesnt even seem to think God is on Bush's side.The Vatican City is easy to hit. The Pope doesnt seem to get much

Re: Re: Re: Politics of 'Oil for Food': First Shoe Drops

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
I agree with you. One should not give up. Probably there is at least some hope that one could put on enough pressure to force the US to agree that the UN should administer oil revenues but administration of Iraq by the UN is not even a remote possibility. However even this is something that

Cook claims Iraq has no significant WMD

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
Excerpts from Robin Cook's resignation speech.. Of course the US and UK can base its military strategy on the assumption Saddam is weak while claiming he is a threat. The threat statement is a good lie successfully playing on fear. Does he think lies dont work? Cheers, Ken Hanly Nor is it fair

US bombs moderates as well as militants

2003-03-22 Thread k hanly
From the Gulf News... http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Articles.asp?Article=47225Sn=WORL 50 die in blitz on Islamist groups BAGHDAD: The United States yesterday widened its war in Iraq with a missile blitz of two Islamist groups in Iraqi Kurdistan killing at least 50 people but sending tensions

Re: US bombs moderates as well as militants

2003-03-22 Thread Michael Perelman
How can that be? All of our bombs -- like our president -- are very smart. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: US bombs moderates as well as militants

2003-03-22 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: Re: [PEN-L:35951] Re: US bombs moderates as well as mi How can that be? All of our bombs -- like our president -- are very smart. SMART BOMBS © 1972, 2003 Dan Scanlan G F Pushing plastic people on a war room map G F Pentagon porkers deploying their pap G F Pagans of prey, pursuing

Zero

2003-03-22 Thread Ian Murray
[ a few years ago Brian Rotman also wrote a great book on the role of zero with regards to the institution of money and accounting: Signifying Nothing. Given all the zeros manipulated by Govs. and the likes of Enron...] Explaining nothing, brilliantly Nicholas Lezard finds Charles Seife's

Re: RE: Re: Clash of Currencies and the Iraq War

2003-03-22 Thread Kelley
i don't know what to make of this explanation. thoughts? Look at it this way: the ownership of Iraq's oil reserves is about to dramatically change hands. This will be one of the largest financial transactions in history. Of course world oil production will remain relatively constant, and the

Conquering the Mideast

2003-03-22 Thread Louis Proyect
WSJ, March 19, 2003 Past Mideast Invasions Faced Unexpected Perils Invaders Have Been Repelled While Arab Casualties Mount By HUGH POPE and PETER WALDMAN Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL As President Bush steers the U.S. toward war, history offers a sobering lesson. For two centuries,

NYC demonstration

2003-03-22 Thread Louis Proyect
I returned a little while ago from an immense antiwar demonstration in NYC which started on Times Square (B'way and 42nd Street) and terminated at Washington Square Park (5th Avenue and W. 4th Street). For the entire stretch of 38 blocks, marchers filled the streets. My guess is that there