Re: the curse

2004-02-23 Thread Jeff Sommers
Anders Aslund's take on this, predictably, is that resources are only a curse when not privatized. He put forward this thesis as the Khordokovsky affair got underway: the linkage transparent to all! A counter-example would be Chile, whose state sector possesses significant portions of its copper

Anti-Nader shock troops

2004-02-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Salon.com, Feb. 22, 2004 From tragedy to farce He's running for president as an independent, not as a Green. He has no organization. He's starting late. Does Ralph Nader's narcissism have no bounds? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - By Todd Gitlin Ralph

Re: dems, etc

2004-02-23 Thread Peter Hollings
The mandatory service bill is a poison pill. It will make unjustified war unpopular and unsustainable. Peter Hollings -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Johansen Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: dems, etc

2004-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Peter is correct here. Today we have an economic draft, so the middle class is much less to complain about. In addition, the outsourcing of military jobs obscures the human costs of war. On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:30:43AM -0500, Peter Hollings wrote: The mandatory service bill is a poison

a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread Devine, James
from Today's Papers (from MS SLATE): An op-ed in the NY [TIMES] argues that since Israel's security barrier goes deep into the West Bank it's a less than ideal security barrier: What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian lands. That's not an original argument but the author is: Noam

demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread Dan Scanlan
Too bad the Democrats don't go after Bush, Halliburton and Enron with the same fervor they go after Nader -- or Matt Gonzales in San Francisco, for that matter. Dan Scanlan

Re: demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Too bad the Democrats don't go after Bush, Halliburton and Enron with the same fervor they go after Nader -- or Matt Gonzales in San Francisco, for that matter. Dan Scanlan That raises an interesting question of *class*. The Republicans are successful because they have a clearly defined

new radio product

2004-02-23 Thread Doug Henwood
Just added to my radio archive http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html: February 19, 2004 Sara Roy, senior research scholar at the Harvard Center for Middle Eastern Studies, on the social crisis among Palestinians in the occupied territories and Israel's intentions behind building the wall

Re: demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Is that so? The Repugs have been very successful in getting working class people to vote for them by way of wedge issues and making the Dems. seem out of the mainstream. Electorally, their clearly define constituency is a minority and the Dems. do a pretty good job of serving the corporations as

Re: a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread Shane Mage
An op-ed in the NY [TIMES] argues that since Israel's security barrier goes deep into the West Bank it's a less than ideal security barrier: What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian lands. That's not an original argument but the author is: Noam Chomsky. Judging by a quickie Nexis

Re: dems, etc

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
- Original Message - From: Peter Hollings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dems, etc The mandatory service bill is a poison pill. It will make unjustified war unpopular and unsustainable. Peter Hollings

Re: demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
Really? What working class people? African-American working class people? Hispanic working class people? Undocumented workers? Retired, white, former workers? No doubt. But the notion of a reactionary mass of workers is a convenient fallacy. But the facts are that the Republicans garner

Re: a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
Wait a minute-- this wasn't the NYT taking an editorial and reporting position. This was an op-ed piece by Chomsky which does not express the view of the editors. So why make more of it than it is? It's an op-ed piece, that's all. NYT supported and supports the assault on Iraq, the occupation

Re: dems, etc

2004-02-23 Thread Carrol Cox
dmschanoes wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Hollings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dems, etc The mandatory service bill is a poison pill. It will make unjustified war unpopular and unsustainable.

more cheap Government Surplus!

2004-02-23 Thread Eubulides
[Federal Register: February 23, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 35)] [Notices] [Page 8183] From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:fr23fe04-57] --- DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Department of the Army

if you're a teacher and in the NEA, you're a terrorist......

2004-02-23 Thread Eubulides
Paige: Teachers Union Is 'Terrorist Organization' Education Secretary's Comments Made at Private Meeting With Governors By Robert Tanner The Associated Press Monday, February 23, 2004; 5:52 PM Education Secretary Rod Paige called the nation's largest teachers union a terrorist organization

Re: dems, etc

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
Disagree. Our work is not resisting the draft, it is carrying the class struggle into the very heart of capital's military machine. That cannot be done by resisting the draft. The failure of the new left, in particular SDS, to move from anti-Vietnam war, anti-draft, to anti-deferment, isolated

Re: more cheap Government Surplus!

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
To be used in forthcoming generations of body armor. You can look it up. - Original Message - From: Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [PEN-L] more cheap Government Surplus! [Federal Register: February 23, 2004 (Volume 69,

Re: more cheap Government Surplus!

2004-02-23 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be used in forthcoming generations of body armor. You can look it up. The potential applications are enormous and will be worth *big* bucks. Buy goat farms... Ian

Re: a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread joanna bujes
That's eminently sane of them. Joanna Shane Mage wrote: An op-ed in the NY [TIMES] argues that since Israel's security barrier goes deep into the West Bank it's a less than ideal security barrier: What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian lands. That's not an original argument but

Re: a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread joanna bujes
No, it's significant even though it's only op-ed. This is an intra-bourgeois sign. Joanna dmschanoes wrote: Wait a minute-- this wasn't the NYT taking an editorial and reporting position. This was an op-ed piece by Chomsky which does not express the view of the editors. So why make more of it

Re: if you're a teacher and in the NEA, you're a terrorist......

2004-02-23 Thread Devine, James
This is a Spartacus moment. I am a terrorist! Jim Devine -Original Message- From: Eubulides [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 2/23/2004 5:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [PEN-L] if you're a teacher and in the NEA, you're

Re: if you're a teacher and in the NEA, you're a terrorist......

2004-02-23 Thread joanna bujes
Yeah, absolutely. This would be the party who cried wolf...just too many goddamn times. McCarthy made the same mistake. Joanna Devine, James wrote: This is a Spartacus moment. I am a terrorist! Jim Devine -Original Message- From: Eubulides [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Maybe I was not clear. If the Repubs. were clear about what they were, no working class people would vote for them. In fact, many do, including union workers. On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:37:37PM -0500, dmschanoes wrote: Really? What working class people? African-American working class people?

Re: demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
It is hard to imagine the Republicans being any more clear about what they are and who they represent. They are for private property, big private property, unrestrained private property. They say it they act it they live it. The fact that some workers support that is a fact of historical

Re: a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread dmschanoes
So? So what's so significant about an intra-bourgeois sign? History, the same history littered with corpses, is page after page of intra-bourgeois signs. There were intra-bourgeois signs everyday when Clinton was president. Lula is an intra-bourgeois sign, so is Kirchner-- and their

Re: if you're a teacher and in the NEA, you're a terrorist......

2004-02-23 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a Spartacus moment. I am a terrorist! Jim Devine Hand out the vines! Ian

Re: Why U.S. Labor Law Has Become a Paper Tiger

2004-02-23 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Anybody ever read Marc Linder? -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andie nachgeborenen Subject: Fwd: Why U.S. Labor Law Has Become a Paper Tiger

Re: Why U.S. Labor Law Has Become a Paper Tiger

2004-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
yes. he does wonderful stuff. I especially like Linder, Marc and Ingrid Nygaard. 1998. .Void Where Prohibited: Rest Breaks and the Right to Urinate on Company Time. (Ithaca, NY: ILR Press). On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:34:55PM -0500, Max B. Sawicky wrote: Anybody ever read Marc Linder?

Re: demo fervor

2004-02-23 Thread Dan Scanlan
I have often wondered if the difference between a Republican politician and a Democratic politician wasn't something like this: The Republican says under his breath, Screw you, and the Democrat says, Sorry fella as they pass by the hitch-hiker in the desert. Glee versus guilt at someone else's

Right wing populism

2004-02-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
Tom Frank has an essay in Le Monde Diplomatique addressing the right wing populism that confuses and attracts many. I'll paste the first paragraphs here: A WAR AGAINST ELITES The America will vote for Bush The US

World money, countertrade and exchange relations - additional comment on services

2004-02-23 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I quoted Marx on services as follows: Thus, because the specific relation of labour and capital is not contained at all in this purchase of services; because it has either been completely extinguished or was never present, it is naturally the favourite form used by Say, Bastiat and their

Re: Why U.S. Labor Law Has Become a Paper Tiger

2004-02-23 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Yep I have (though not all). He's great. Didn't he do that book Anti-Samuelson ? J. - Original Message - From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Why U.S. Labor Law Has Become a Paper Tiger Anybody ever

Re: Import-led development as a source of economic growth ?

2004-02-23 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Nay it's a far richer vein of problems than that as far as feminists are concerned: Basically how I personally evaluate feminists is on whether they wish to strengthen the toiling classes, the direct producers, the proletarians and peasants, or whether they seek to weaken them. Are they a help

Re: Import-led development as a source of economic growth ?

2004-02-23 Thread joanna bujes
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Ultimately, theoretically, I consider prostitution as the core problem of the whole feminist problematic, and I cannot very well get along with feminist moralists who spout drivel about this, and vent all sorts of confusing abstractions, rather than making a specific,