Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy: Deja Vu

2004-03-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The day that fool DeLong returns to this list is the day I picket Michael Perelman's house. He is a disgusting red-baiter. If he were in front of me now I would smack him in the mouth. Michael Yates It is telling that Brad De Long deliberately removed the recognizable context from his obituary

Dying languages

2004-03-01 Thread Louis Proyect
(Although this NY Times Magazine article has interesting facts on dying languages, it basically conceals the real reason this is happening--namely political, economic and cultural genocide. Forced assimilation is a form of genocide basically. The article claims that people opt for Spanish rather

Jeffrey Sachs on Haiti

2004-03-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Financial Times (London, England) March 1, 2004 Monday Don't fall for Washington's spin on Haiti: JEFFREY SACHS: By JEFFREY SACHS The crisis in Haiti is another case of brazen US manipulation of a small, impoverished country with the truth unexplored by journalists. In the nearly universal media

a public plea to pen-l list members

2004-03-01 Thread ravi
i delete a large volume of pen-l email, which i would like to read since i respect the opinions of the authors, simply because of the impossible formatting of the text (yes, i do realize i write entirely in lowercase, and if required i will present my case against 'gratuitous capitalization').

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

2004-03-01 Thread ravi
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: I do not take badly to disagreement, I take badly to disagreement from which nothing is learnt, and that is quite a different story. this is sort of circular isn't it? or is it that only the rest of us are to learn? --ravi

Re: Wasting bandwidth. Was Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

2004-03-01 Thread ravi
Michael Perelman wrote: David asked me to make the call. Here it is: just about everybody on the list knows about Alan Greenspan and the savings-and-loan scandal. Just about everybody on the list knows about Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand. ... There are people here with valuable information

Spam at a new level of evil

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Perelman
My uncle recently died. He was a fine man. Today, I got this letter, which appeals to emotions over and above greed. - Forwarded message from mike paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:24:28 -0500 From: mike paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject:

Re: a public plea to pen-l list members

2004-03-01 Thread Devine, James
In addition, pen-lers should make a major change to the _content_ of their missives when replying to others. Instead of simply replying to Renegade X or Apostate Y in kind, we should write with the _list as a whole_ as our audience, trying to convince the group of the validity of our

Re: a public plea to pen-l list members

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Perelman
I want to thank James and Ravi. I used to try to enforce Jim's idea, but I have been lax, letting myself become overwhelmed with other stuff. My apologies. On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 08:14:22AM -0800, Devine, James wrote: In addition, pen-lers should make a major change to the _content_ of their

ABB

2004-03-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Ralph Nader: If Not Now, When? by Gilles d'Aymery Jan Baughman March 1, 2004 Kudos to Ralph Nader for not kowtowing to the immense pressure to stay out of the 2004 US presidential race. Of course, his decision is portrayed as evidence of his huge ego, and not of his great convictions, and the

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy - brief comment on law of value

2004-03-01 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
So, Sweezy wished to clarify the meanings of the terms socialism and communism by saying that the law of value still continues to operate under socialism to the extent that economy is capitalistic, i.e., governed by market discipline, whereas it won't under communism worth its name. As Jim

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

2004-03-01 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
this is sort of circular isn't it? or is it that only the rest of us are to learn? That depends on your definition of agreement and disagreement. Obviously I am not arguing that only the rest of us should learn. For Marx, learning is a process of dialog. J.

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Jurriaan, this thread is finished. We don't need to go round and round on the same subjects. As you can see by the messages from Jim and Ravi, many of us are trying to raise the level of discourse here. I know that I'm violating my own principles by addressing you directly, but I have not

aristide kidnapped

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Even CNN is now covering the story of the kidnapping? How will this play out in the US? Why has France been so complicit? Is it just the claim for reparations? I think France has other means to deflect such a claim? Is this a test for Venez., for Cuba? Perhaps it is for the best that Sweezy

Re: Dying languages - Kenan Malik and the struggle for the lowest common denominator

2004-03-01 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Kenan Malik argues at http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/die.html that: (1) The purpose of a language is functional: to enable communication. I think this is simplistic and question-begging because it fails to specify exactly what a language is or how exactly language enables communication.

Re: Preventing Working-Class Electoral Participation

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/04 01:49PM Turnout Decline in the U.S. and other Advanced Industrial Democracies Martin P. Wattenberg University of California, Irvine mainstream poli sci guy who uses lots of national elections studies data, not to be confused with digital artist of same name, no

Re: The Nader Factor

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/26/04 04:02AM Fourteen percent of pure political independents -- those who do not identify with or lean to either of the two major parties -- gave their support to Nader in 2000, compared with 6% among Democrats and Democratic leaners and just 2% of Republicans and

Re: Bad Subjects article

2004-03-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Jason Myers wrote: Dear Mr. Proyect, Thanks for your comments regarding Fred Aldama's article on Cuba. I hope you also came across my response to him: http://eserver.org/bs/66/myers_response_aldama.html His piece very nearly caused my resignation from Bad Subjects. Luckily, the editor who was the

Re: Bad Subjects article

2004-03-01 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Reminds me of Noriega's tortilla flour, described by Colin Powell's invaders as cocaine. Was any evidence of Noriega drugs ever turned up? mbs -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louis Proyect Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL

Bad Subjects article

2004-03-01 Thread Craven, Jim
Reminds me of Noriega's tortilla flour, described by Colin Powell's invaders as cocaine. Was any evidence of Noriega drugs ever turned up? mbs Try www.expertwitnessradio.org See archives of radio shows. See also The Big White Lie and Deep Cover by Mike Levine. Jim C.

Re: aristide kidnapped

2004-03-01 Thread Mike Ballard
They destroyed the village in order to save it. A friend from up there in the Northern Hemisphere related the below to me. Best, Mike B) *** On Pacifica's Democracy Now today, Rep Maxine Waters, Dem, Ca (from LA) said she spoke with Jean

Criminal editing of the Enemy

2004-03-01 Thread joanna bujes
Treasury Department Is Warning Publishers of the Perils of Criminal Editing of the Enemy February 28, 2004 By ADAM LIPTAK Writers often grumble about the criminal things editors do to their prose. The federal government has recently weighed in on the same issue - literally. It has warned

Re: aristide kidnapped

2004-03-01 Thread joanna bujes
According to something I heard today on the radio, France is complicit in ousting Aristide because it made the Haitians pay back 21 billion for the fact that France had to wage war against their liberation efforts a hundred years ago. Aristide was trying to get France to pay that money back.

Re: Criminal editing of the Enemy

2004-03-01 Thread andie nachgeborenen
OK, a clear violation of the First Amendment. This is moronic McCarthyism. It will not survive contact with the courts, if it gets that far. That is not a reason to rejoice, of course. The ACLU has other things to do than to squash blatantly illegal regulations. Sigh. jks --- joanna bujes [EMAIL

Re: Criminal editing of the Enemy

2004-03-01 Thread Carrol Cox
andie nachgeborenen wrote: OK, a clear violation of the First Amendment. This is moronic McCarthyism. It will not survive contact with the courts, if it gets that far. That is not a reason to rejoice, of course. The ACLU has other things to do than to squash blatantly illegal regulations.