Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-26 Thread Joseph Green
I am posting a chronology I wrote in early 2000 about Chechnya. It deals briefly with a number of the issues raised by recent posts on PEN-L. I will serialize it in parts. Taken as a whole, it shows --that Chechnya was not a part of Russia until the late 19th century, when it was conquered

Farming back to 23,000 years ago

2004-06-26 Thread Chris Burford
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3826731.stm

Blair in public split with Bush

2004-06-26 Thread Chris Burford
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1247759,00.html Interesting how this is done. The Attorney General, a government minister, who is meant to give impartial legal advice (which is then kept secret - eg whether it is lawful to invade Iraq) has delivered a speech in a foreign

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-26 Thread Chris Doss
Uh, I never disagreed with any of this. Once again: What should Russia's reaction have been to armed aggression onto its territory? (Now that we have established that such aggression did in fact take place.) I have never gotten an answer.

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Chris, there are no easy answers. Engels once said that the worst time for a bad government is when it first tries to do something good. On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 03:01:17PM +0400, Chris Doss wrote: Uh, I never disagreed with any of this. Once again: What should Russia's reaction have been to

Re: Blair in public split with Bush

2004-06-26 Thread Michael Perelman
What was the response to the other released Gitmo Brits having been accused falsely? On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 07:23:08AM +0100, Chris Burford wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1247759,00.html Interesting how this is done. The Attorney General, a government minister, who

Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Yes, it is wrong. It adds nothing to the list. You can tell X personally that you do not like him/her off list, but not here. On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 09:21:31PM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote: Michael: What is wrong with letting a person know that you do not like him Michael? Do we have to like

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-26 Thread Chris Doss
That is my whole point. Things are a lot more complicated than just evil Russian imperialists attacking noble Chechen freedom-fighters. -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:44:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chronology

Can't keep it in their pants

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, June 26, 2004 Candidate, Under Pressure, Quits Senate Race in Illinois By STEPHEN KINZER CHICAGO, June 25 - Crippled by accusations about sex clubs and losing support from his own party, Jack Ryan, the Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, pulled out of the race on Friday, leaving

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/26/2004 1:01:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1817-64:. These are the years of the fierce series of rebellions and conflicts called the Caucasian War, in which the Chechens play a major role. Ultimately Russia subjugates the Caucasus through

Viagra, Valium, and Prostitution in Occupied Iraq

2004-06-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Viagra, Valium, and Prostitution in Occupied Iraq: http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/viagra-valium-and-prostitution-in.html. -- Yoshie * Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/ * Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/ * Calendars of Events in Columbus:

Print versus web publishing

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
(Years from now historians might regard the differences between the Internet and print journals today in the same light as those that existed between handwritten manuscripts and material produced by the Gutenberg press during the dawn of the bourgeois-democratic revolution. One form of

The hidden costs of cheaper oil

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, June 26, 2004 China Pays a Price for Cheaper Oil By KEITH BRADSHER HONG KONG, June 23 - With toxic lead finally disappearing from most of the world's gasoline, a new air pollution fight is emerging around the globe over how much sulfur to allow in fuel. Rapidly developing countries like

don't do it.

2004-06-26 Thread Devine, James
whatever you do, don't answer the on-line poll (with all the red/white/blue colors) about whether or not the US should pull out of Iraq. You'll get much more spam if you do. jd

Democrats and George Soros operatives in the thick of Venezuela counter-revolution

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Counterpunch Weekend Edition June 26/27, 2004 Venezuela: the Gang's All Here Replay of Chile and Nicaragua? By ALEXANDER COCKBURN You can set your watch by it. The minute some halfway decent government in Latin America begins to reverse the order of things and give the have-nots a break from the

Re: Print versus web publishing

2004-06-26 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: One form of communication has enormously democratic implications while the other serves as an elitist club open only to those who have been accepted into the priesthood. In Gutenberg's day, it was the Catholic church. Today it is tenured academia.) --- NY Times,

An exchange with Joel Kovel

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
(Joel's reply appears in its entirety. My comments are interspersed.) joel kovel wrote: Hi Louis, Bushism is a term used on a number of occasions by Howie Hawkins--with whom I have worked a lot in the past--to describe the identity between the mainstream parties. I absolutely agree that both

New books from Merlin Press

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
NEW BOOKS now available from THE MERLIN PRESS www.merlinpress.co.uk PERRY ANDERSON, Marxism and the New Left Paul Blackledge For over forty years Perry Anderson, has been one of the most influential figures on the intellectual Left. Through his writings, his publishing, his editing of New Left

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Daniel Davies
s. artesian wrote: Then comes the advice about doing the right thing in the international debt markets and taking positions (long? short?) in Venezuelan debt. That's a real thing of beauty by the way. That was me (btw, I don't believe I've ever claimed to be a Marxist, though I reserve the

Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Daniel Davies
Suffice to say that, no joke, in (I think) 2002 when the 10bn lira note was introduced (quote from the Central Bank Governor at the time It's not exactly a proud moment having your name on a note with ten zeros on it, but needs must), there was a small but serious atempt by some members of the

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread sartesian
1. We are not talking about personal favors, good deeds, doing friends a solid, or picking up a bar tab. We are talking about capitalist accummulation. That's not an exactly subtle distinction. Let me know how you feel when you invest your retirement savings in Venezuelean bonds, and a

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-26 Thread Michael Perelman
I agree that it is more complicated, but I can't see why Putin's approach gives a more satisfactory explanation. When I was in France, they had terrorist attacks quite frequently -- 1979 -- but the French both repressed AND accomodated resistence forces. France is not great, but it seems a step

Re: Chat about Financial Advice, was Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: Let's remember that very few if any of the subscribers to this list have much in the way of discretionary investment. How do you know? A lot of PEN-Lers are professors with retirement accounts that invest in stocks and bonds. Many, maybe most, are in the upper quintile of their

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I said that the superficial stuff of volume III I missed this. What's superficial in v 3? Doug

Re: Chat about Financial Advice, was Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread sartesian
I am not righteous. I put two daughters through college. I know a lot about investing-- none of it has anything to do with Marxism. Nobody's against pensions. Railroad pensions, for your edification, are not self-direct investments. They are defined benefit plans. My only point was that

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/26/2004 12:17:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The struggle for "national liberation" did not arise in the past 150 yearsseparate and apart from critical moments in the conflict between the means and relations of production, and consequently

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Devine, James
it's only superficial in Marx's framework. (Note that I put it quotes.) To use somewhat non-Marxian termionology, he saw the volume I stuff as essential (the source of surplus-value, the big picture) and the volume II stuff as more superficial. Put another way, if you understand volume I alone,

Re: Chat about Financial Advice, was Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Devine, James
sartesian writes: I know a lot about investing-- none of it has anything to do with Marxism. for what it's worth, pen-l isn't self-defined as Marxist. I'm also not sure that Marxist financial advice is necessarily oxymoronic. There may be some stuff in the volume III discussion of money and

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice/ Henry C.K. on Money

2004-06-26 Thread Waistline2
There are fundamental faults with specie money. To begin with, specie money must be based on a commodity of limited supply. There was a time when new gold was discovered so abundantly in the New World that gold was the cause of inflation in Europe. Thus an effective specie money by nature

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice/ Henry C.K. on Money - 2

2004-06-26 Thread Waistline2
The Foreign Capital HoaxThe Chartalist theory of money claims that government, by virtual of its power to levy taxes payable with government-designated legal tender, does not need external financing. Accordingly, sovereign credit should enable the government to act as employer of last

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice/ Henry C.K. on Money - 3 - end

2004-06-26 Thread Waistline2
Sovereign Credit (Part 1) By Henry C.K. Liu Credit drives the economy, not debt. Debt is the mirror reflection of credit. Even the most accurate mirror does violence to the symmetry of its reflection. Why does a mirror turn an image right to left and not upside down as the lens of a

Re: Chat about Financial Advice, was Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread sartesian
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chat about Financial Advice, was Re: Marxist Financial Advice sartesian writes: I know a lot about investing-- none of it has anything to do with

nader to moore

2004-06-26 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: nader to moore Ralph Nader letter to Michael Moore: http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=54

Re: Lenin in his tomb

2004-06-26 Thread Laurence Shute
Chris Doss wrote: I wish they would follow his wishes. he wanted to be buried or cremated, I forget which. I doubt that anyone wants to be put on permanent display... jd --- It's a political decision. It was outrage a lot of conservatives (in the Russian sense of the word). Most people think he

When Marx played the stock market

2004-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
From Francis Wheen's new biography Karl Marx: a Life (W. W. Norton, 2000): The annual rent for Modena Villas was 65 almost twice that of Grafton Terrace. Quite how Marx expected to pay for all luxury is a mystery: as so often, however, his Micawberish faith was vindicated. On 9 May 1864

Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I'd like one. If you don't like me, I'll pay the postage myself. mbs By the way, as Michael pollak knows, you may even be able to obtain a 20 Million Liras Turkish Banknote from me free of charge. I even pay the postage. The only condition is that you have to be someone I like. Sartesian has

Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-26 Thread Sabri Oncu
I'd like one. If you don't like me, I'll pay the postage myself. mbs Of course, I like you. There are not many I don't like but if I give this away things may get out of control: 20,000,000 Liras is roughly $13.5 US in these days. But I will bring you one from my trip to Turkey. I am

Re: Blair in public split with Bush

2004-06-26 Thread Chris Burford
In answer to Michael's question [below] my impression is that it has all been handled very discretely by the British government, which did nothing to fan the controversy when the previously released detainees gave a number of interviews. But the Guardian article which I quoted, refers to Blair's

Fahrenheit 9/11

2004-06-26 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Hi PEN-L: We went to see Moore's new film on June 25 in Sacramento. All of the 400-plus seats were filled for the 12:15 p.m. showing at the Tower Theater, the first for the public here. Moore's latest work is a powerful critique of the Bush White House, top Democrats and American journalism. 60

Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-26 Thread Joseph Green
This is the second part of my chronology of Russian-Chechen relations. It deals with the history of the Chechens during the Soviet Union. The third part will deal with the 90s, and show in particular the continuity of Yeltsin and Putin's policy on Chechnya. Some comments have been