I was asked off-list
what is the substantive programme of the liberal democrats,
i.e. how do they differ from New Labour ?
I would find it easier to give my perception of where they are
ideologically and in terms of the class nature of their constituency,
but it is a fair question
In some
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 10:20:34PM -0700, sartesian wrote:
I don't just allude to a reference, I pointed out the historical failure of
such notions as venture communism.
No, you've only aluded to such failure, not given any details or applied
analysis.
Your entire argument is based on a
to be honest, not a lot. I'm trying to track down the actual working paper,
but my immediate reaction is the same as my reaction to Peter Garber's
previous attempt to interpret tulipomania as a rational phenomenon, and
rather similar to your own; it is a historical fact that tulipomania
diverted
Yo,
I'm reading (in Russian) the book Marksizm i Utopizm
(Marxism and Utopianism), published last year. It's an
attempt to come to terms with Marxism as a scientific
approach and as an ideology in the post-Soviet context
and is quite interesting. Anyway, the author is one
Teodor Ilich Oizerman
NY Times, July 18, 2004
Hourly Pay in U.S. Not Keeping Pace With Price Rises
By EDUARDO PORTER
The amount of money workers receive in their paychecks is failing to
keep up with inflation. Though wages should recover if businesses
continue to hire, three years of job losses have left a large worker
One last time:
- Original Message -
From: Dmytri Kleiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Venture Communism
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 10:20:34PM -0700, sartesian wrote:
I don't just allude to a reference, I pointed out the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/04 8:26 AM
NY Times, July 17, 2004
No Poll Boost From Edwards
By RICHARD W. STEVENSON and JANET ELDER
WASHINGTON, July 16 - Senator John Edwards is viewed far more favorably
than unfavorably by Americans in the aftermath of his introduction as
Senator John Kerry's running
Dear Barbra Ehrenreich,
I want to begin by congratulating DSA for its ability to gain a foothold
in the mass media. With you subbing for Thomas Friedman and Cornel West
taking a bit part in The Matrix Reloaded, what can be next? (Is there
any truth to the rumor, by the way, that Bogdan Denitch
There are Democrats, and there are shamefaced Democrats, and the
League of Pissed Off Voters is set up to appeal to the latter.
When you look at their website http://indyvoter.org/, it uses two
names alternately: the League of Pissed Off Voters and the League
of Independent Voters.
The League of
In a message dated 7/17/2004 6:48:01 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is why venture communism attempts to subvert the
system by sharing profit equally, instead of making surplus value into private
accumulation, it makes into shared wealth.
We are losing the
by sartesian
17 July 2004 16:13 UTC
Shares of what acquired by labor instead of property? What are you going to
acquire buy your arm and hammer buy outs? Exxon? Flextronics? Tinto
Rio? Coca-Cola? I don't think so.
You cannot buy out, substitute, or displace the existing social
by Waistline2
Comment
Socialism Betrayed - Behind the Collapse of the Soviet Union by Roger
Keeran and Thomas Kenny is worth owning and reading several times. On a
scale of 1 - 10 . . . I would rate it 7.5. The 2.5 which prevents it from
being a 10 . . . are highly theoretical and . . . has
"Socialism Betrayed: Behind the collapse of the Soviet
Union,"by Roger Keeran and Thomas Kenny remains a good read.
Chapter 7 - Conclusions and Implications contains theoretical
implications and statements as facts that reveal that far to many Marxists in
the American Union have yet to get
by Dmytri Kleiner
You cannot buy out, substitute, or displace the existing social
accumulation. You can seize it, destroy it, etc.
Please explain why you believe this is so.
Capital can be seized, social accumulation is accumulated capital,
therefor social accumlation can be seized.
You know what they say. Possession of a lawyer is nine-tenths of the law.
Possession of the Constitution is probably worth about .9 of the
law. So, those prices are inflated.
Charles
^^^
by Perelman, Michael
Porges, Seth. 2004. We The People...Can't Make Copies? Business Week
(12
In a message dated 7/18/2004 10:41:09 AM Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CB: Yep, I feel you. However, unfortunately, I am
skeptical about industrial society and its bureaucracy going away, going "post".
I think one could argue that it is going "super" rather than going
And I'm wondering, ... if others have had something like this
experience with their
credit cards. In the meantime, you can find me in the barter economy.
Gil
I don't use credit cards, but I do have to register my domain name
every year. A month ago I received an invoice in the mail for the
next
Has any economist calculated the savings to the companies and costs
(in real time x burden) to the consumer inherent in automated
telephone keypad negotiations, automated 411 calls, and muzak
assisted telephone holding patterns?
Dan Scanlan
"The entire history of Soviet socialism shows that class
struggle, the struggle to abolish classes, does not end with the seizure of
state power and does not end after seventy years of building socialism, although
in truth the USSR actually had far than seven decades to build socialism,
http://www.swans.com/
July 19, 2004 -- In this issue:
Note from the Editor: Barbara Ehrenreich, the gray lady filling in for
Thomas Friedman at The Gray Lady, does a nice little hatchet job on
Ralph Nader in It's Over, Ralph (NYT, Op-Ed, July 18). She
writes, A whole slew of candidates -- Dean,
Is there no way to get to communist society more directly
from relative scarcity, as might be the case in the wake of war or "natural"
disaster? A dogmatic economic-determinist interpretation of Marx suggests not,
but I think that's too narrow, at least in the present and likely future
First of all, great pun: spot dog. The person whom Daniel mentions,
Garber, is an economist, who began to write about tulip mania right
after the `987 stock market melt down in the vain hope of proving that
markets were efficient. In the end, he admitted some irrationality, but
not a lot.
by Waistline2
Comment
Post industrial is defined on the basis of that which distinguishes
manufacture from industrial.
^
CB: Looking at the elements that distinguish manufacture from industrial, I
wouldn't call it post because it makes it seem that he elements that
distinguish industry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 3:46 PM
http://www.swans.com/
July 19, 2004 -- In this issue:
http://www.swans.com/library/art10/lproy17.html
The Case for Nader-Camejo
- by Louis Proyect
Unlike the DLC-backed candidates of recent years, Nader is not afraid to
represent himself as an old-fashioned
In a message dated 7/18/2004 3:16:15 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CB: I'd
call it superindustrial, because the machines are augmented by the computers,
and the machines are the "absolute" in industry and thecooperation is the
"relative" term. The scattering of
Michael Hoover wrote:
another panelist referred with reverence to eugene debs, well i dig debs
too but real importance at that time was neither his 6% of prez vote in
1912 or million votes he got in 1920 while in prison, more significant
was over 1300 - mostly local - elected socialists prior to
Michael wrote:
i've a hunch that some left interest in nader is reflection of
absence of actual left alternatives, as panelist at forum i attended
in ann arbor said yesterday: 'he's best known option, lousy way to
develop actual left alternative...
I think that those who are seriously interested
Michael wrote:
i've a hunch that some left interest in nader is reflection of absence
of actual left alternatives, as panelist at forum i attended in ann
arbor said yesterday: 'he's best known option, lousy way to develop
actual left alternative...
I think that those who are seriously
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 4:33 PM
Michael Hoover wrote:
another panelist referred with reverence to eugene debs, well i dig
debs
too but real importance at that time was neither his 6% of prez vote
in
1912 or million votes he got in 1920 while in prison, more significant
was over 1300 -
I've stay out of this discussion, to everybody's relief (and my own), but is
it possible that anyone can really endorse voting for a national Democratic
candidate as progressive, or even the lesser evil?
I guess so, but it takes a complete disavowal of history to do so. It takes
a deliberate
First of all, great pun: spot dog.
I'm so glad you spotted it. In which spirit I would like to share with an
unwilling internet my son's first contribution to world literature, in the
form of a story he told me yesterday.
Once upon a time there was a little boy called Spot the Dog. Now go to
Charles asks:Are you saying someone has put Hegel (
or dialectics) into simpler language ?
No. I'm saying that Marx's dialectical and materialist perspective (in CAPITAL) can be
translated into relatively common-sense terms by using a non-Hegelian language.
jd
In a message dated 7/18/2004 5:05:30 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've stay out of
this discussion, to everybody's relief (and my own), but is it possible that
anyone can really endorse voting for a national Democratic candidate as
progressive, or even the lesser
I thought it might be worth sharing the recent South Korean experience with
elections in light of the current discussion about U.S. electoral politics and
strategy.
As some of you might know, the National Assembly election in April produced a
major shakeup, with the Democratic Labor Party
In a message dated 7/18/2004 4:33:01 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Response Jim C: "The people who cast the votes decide
nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." (Josef Stalin)
Comment
This is true and how it playsitself out in real life and
At 9:57 AM -0400 7/18/04, Michael Hoover wrote:
will plead ignorance re. lopov, saw name on poster, chuckled,
thought to myself kinda funny, even thought 'group' might be joke,
thought up by someone/small group with no serious intention of
having legs for mass outreach, so my initial comments
Dumped George Bush? Not hardly. Put 200 million into his campaign and he
hasn't, and they haven't, started yet. Kerry? That's call hedging the
position. You don't dump somebody by place a 200 million dollar bet.
Dump Bush Oh no, they love this love-child of Ronald Reagan, and I do mean
At 8:05 PM -0700 7/18/04, sartesian wrote:
Dumped George Bush? Not hardly. Put 200 million into his campaign and he
hasn't, and they haven't, started yet. Kerry? That's call hedging the
position. You don't dump somebody by place a 200 million dollar bet.
Dump Bush Oh no, they love this
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/sandronsky07162004/
Friday, July 16, 2004
Labor Lessons
By Seth Sandronsky
Review of Naming the System: Inequality and Work in the Global Economy
by Michael D. Yates (Monthly Review Press, 2003, 288 pages).
Working Americans are not alone,
Rump? Not hardly. In 2000 corporate contributions to the GOP and Bush
exceeded the amount to Dems by 2 to 1. That rate continued, at least
through 2003.
As for the $200 million being a modest sum-- it exceeds by 25%, if memory
serves me, the previous record for funds raised, the previous
sartesian wrote:
I've stay out of this discussion, to everybody's relief (and my own), but is
it possible that anyone can really endorse voting for a national Democratic
candidate as progressive, or even the lesser evil?
I guess so, but it takes a complete disavowal of history to do so. It
Poverty rates rising in rural towns
By Robert E. Pierre
The Washington Post
Sunday, July 18, 2004
COAHOMA, Miss. The abandoned shells of buildings along the main
drag serve as a glum backdrop for the youngsters who sit in front of them
for hours, idly chatting and staring into the occasional
Big Oil Protects its Interests
Industry spends hundreds of millions on lobbying, elections
http://www.publicintegrity.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=345
By Aron Pilhofer and Bob Williams
WASHINGTON, July 15, 2004 The United States is the oil and gas industry's biggest customer, slurping up fully a
US again denies money to population fund
Chinese practices on abortion cited
Boston Globe
By Farah Stockman
July 17, 2004
WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration announced yesterday that it is withholding the United States' contribution to the UN Population Fund for the third straight year, once
In the White House, like elsewhere, women earn less
By Dana Milbank The Washington Post
Sunday, July 18, 2004
WASHINGTON The president's men are doing well. The president's women are doing slightly less well, but still not bad.
With an Excel spreadsheet and new White House salary figures
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