From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the
Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do
what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a
strong one. To do so, we need to decrease the shares of
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the
Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do
what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a
strong one. To
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Koppel will be a guest on the Daily Show this thursday.)
slate.com
Battle of the Network Anchors
Ted Koppel and Jon Stewart face off on the convention floor.
By Dana Stevens
... In a one-on-one chat on the deserted convention floor after the day's
festivities
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So why did Bush, not Kerry, get the bounce?
Tue Aug 3, 7:09 AM ET
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
There was a bounce after last week's Democratic National Convention.
But it went to President Bush, not John Kerry.
Kerry should lose Licorice the hamster.
Carl
Louis Proyect quoted John Edwards:
... Thats why we will strengthen and modernize our military.
We will double our Special Forces, and invest in the new equipment and
technologies so that our military remains the best equipped and best
trained in the world. This will make our military stronger
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
You have no moral right to be acting superior to terrorists, since
you intend to vote for one.
But to be fair to John Kerry, he is only involved with state-sponsored
terrorism. As far as I know, he has never been involved in a suicide
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Thomas Frank's new book What's Wrong With Kansas argues implicitly
that the Democrats lose elections because they are identified with the
wrong side of the culture wars. This is the same sort of position that
Michael Moore argued in the Nation Magazine in
From: Michael Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/16/04 10:13 AM
(Thomas Frank's new book What's Wrong With Kansas argues implicitly
that the Democrats lose elections because they are identified with the
wrong side of the culture wars.
nah, mainstream poli sci guys christopher achen
Panel's ties to drugmakers not cited in new cholesterol guidelines
BY DELTHIA RICKS AND RONI RABIN
July 15, 2004
Guidelines published by a government panel earlier this week, calling for
aggressive use of statin medications to lower cholesterol in people at high
risk of heart attacks, failed to
From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BBC in London this morning has just played a clip of Bush defending
himself with some red-neck stuff about Saddam Hussein that if it is a
choice between a madman and defending the American people he will
defend the American people.
If you take this literally,
From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for your comment, Gil. Please excuse a layperson's question, but I
have never quite been able to understand this economist's use of secular.
What is the definition of secular.
Please excuse a layperson's answer: Secular is a trend without end.
Carl
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can you defeat an alliance of Christian fundamentalists and the drug
companies?
[Or for that matter, how do you defeat an alliance of drug companies and
free-trade advocates?]
Trade Pact May Undercut Inexpensive Drug Imports
By ELIZABETH BECKER and
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have refrained from saying anything about Jeffrey Sachs or (Joseph
Stiglitz) being more to the left than other economists, especially in
their role as window dressing at Columbia University--my employer.
Come, come. You're not threatening a crime against
From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have not followed Sachs closely in most recent times but I think he
would
strongly object to being called a 'man of the left'.
maybe I was being too charitable on this point ... I'd say he's a man of
the left in the same sense in which Brad DeLong is ...
[In
From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sachs has always been basically a man of the left, and has been saying
sensible things about sovereign default fo longer than anyone else I can
remember (including me and Richard Portes). Perhaps the whole Harvard
Institute thing should be viewed by
From: sartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Really? That's quite an aberration-- participating in the dismantling of
the Russian Revolution, transforming the remnants of socialized property
into private fortunes.
Bingo. As with, Apart from that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs.
Lincoln?
Carl
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What a striking evidence does this operation furnish of the wide
difference between the extreme of savage and civilized life. A
gentleman of Typee can bring up a numerous family of children and
give them all a highly respectable cannibal education, with
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kerry would keep US troops in Iraq far longer than Bush
The Democrat looks like the one with the long-term imperial agenda
Jonathan Steele
Friday July 9, 2004
The Guardian
Here's a dinner-party talking point that can run and run, certainly
until November and,
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Moore's Dilemma: Israel, Saudi Arabia, and John Kerry
(There are two conspicuous absences in Fahrenheit 9/11: John Kerry
and Israel. The two absences are dependent on each other.
Moore's electioneering really beats the stuffing out of the historical
From: Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...To examine the Iraq war without mentioning the neocons and the
Wolfowitz Doctrine is like, say, looking at the origins of World War I
without mentioning the General General Staff ...
Er, make that the German General Staff. I must have been thinking
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the US, labor unions are on the wane, while the welfare state is getting
meaner and less effective at doing its good jobs. So what's a worker to do
if injured or cheated by some corporation? Call in a trial lawyer or
personal injury lawyer! In the South,
From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[See comment at end]
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/pageoneplus/corrections.html
The New York Times
July 1, 2004
Corrections
... As Eric Umansky of Todays Papers points out, this correction fails to
mention the tiny bit of context that his purported
From: David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, the Reason review of Doug Henwood's book is now online:
http://www.reason.com/0406/cr.co.that.shtml
Well that was two minutes wasted. I'd suggest that Reason critic Charles
Oliver hold onto his day job, in which he covers local government for The
From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I seem to remember from university days that the power of Congress to
decide
whether or not the USA is at war or not, is one that has repeatedly been
ignored by successive US Presidents ...
Hey, credit where it's due! This provision has been ignored by
From: Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By the way . . . Lenin is dead. This might come as a shock. I believe they
have finally taken his body off display. I mean Leninism is dead.
---
He's still in the Mausoleum on Red Square (which is a really nice little
piece of architecture). They recently dressed
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I doubt that anyone wants to be put on permanent display...
[Clearly you never met Jeremy Bentham.]
The Auto-Icon
At the end of the South Cloisters of the main building of UCL stands a
wooden cabinet, which has been a source of curiosity and perplexity to
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eugene Coyle wrote:
What's Wrong With Kansas, the new book by Thomas Frank is interesting.
His acknowledgements include a roster of Pen-L ers.
Including, if I'm remembering correctly, Eugene Coyle.
Doug
Hmm, modesty abounds. From WWWK's Acknowledgments: Gene
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
someone I know reported that he once saw Ronald Reagan walk on water --
and then turn water into wine.
And mirabile dictu, he turned ketchup into a vegetable.
Carl
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Getting married? Find great
From: Frank, Ellen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This morning, NPR's Nina Tottenberg was talking about
Reagan's appointments of Scalia and Bork to the Supreme
Court -- calling them leading intellects of the conservative
movement.
Ellen
Reminds me of Groucho Marx's remark about so-and-so being the brains of
From: Joel Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A WW2 vet and peace activist clleague of mine went to the memorial on its
opening day. He described it as a celebration of empire and military might.
He said that it completely ignored the human cost of war and there is only
indirect indication that men and
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: PEN-L list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L] NY Review of Books
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:32:49 -0400
In the winter of 1962-63, during a strike of the NY Times, Robert
Silvers and a few close friends decided to launch the New
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last night I turned on the Simpsons for the first time in months--ten
minutes into the show. The family were guests on a Fox-TV type show with
the host browbeating them for not loving America enough. When Marge and
Lisa tell him something to the effect that if
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freud recounts an old Jewish joke in, I think, his book on jokes. The
gist of it is that one guy runs into another in the Warsaw railroad
station and says, Why did you tell me you were going to Cracow the
other day when you were really going to Cracow?
Rimshot
From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Thanks to body armor, the proportion of the wounded that are amputees is
supposed to be paradoxically higher, because without it many of them would
have died. I keep wondering whether the count of the wounded might not
end up someday being the politically
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NY Times, November 14, 2003
In U.S., Fears Are Voiced of a Too-Rapid Iraq Exit
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN and CARL HULSE
... My greatest fear is that this administration, having made all the
wrong choices, is going to conclude they have to bring Johnny and Jane
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You also have to keep in mind that there was no such thing as advertising,
department stores and mass communications in Marx's age. Sometimes I have
to catch my breath when I look around me at all the advertising in NYC.
Subways, buses, TV shows, radio,
From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[This is hilarious. I missed it when it first came out, and someone just
told me about it at a Halloween party.]
New York Times
July 13, 2003, Sunday
A Tax Shelter, Deconstructed
By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON ...
Dr. Scholes has told friends that most of his wealth
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The New York Times
May 15, 1998, Friday, Late Edition - Final
The Indispensable I.M.F.
By Paul Krugman, CAMBRIDGE, Mass.; Paul Krugman is a professor of
economics at M.I.T.
... the International Monetary Fund is all that we have, and it is a lot
better than
Carl, I smoked a pipe for several decades before quitting -- and I would
be afraid to add up how many thousands of dollars (not covered by
insurance) I have spent on repairing (partly) the damage it did to my
teeth. Right now, I've got a large gap in the front of my mouth (upper)
which has cost me
From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... Roosevelt tried to pack the court, and
failed. One of the former bad guy justices switched
his view and started supporting the New Deal
Or as was said at the time: A switch in time saves nine.
Carl
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The question that needs to be asked is what we achieve by polemically
writing off Krugman and calling him nasty names. Krugman is a very learned
left-liberal economist capable of very good critical inquiry into the US
economy and
From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I make my living in part defending tobacco companies,
and I make a lot of money too -- not as much as Dees,
but I'm getting there, if I stay here, I will someday.
I must be a real scumbag.
No, as a pipe smoker I must say you're serving a worthy cause.
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a telling moment in this documentary that makes the Iraqi
resistance understandable. Shortly after a decision has been made by the
US to crack down on looting, we see an army patrol that has captured a
perpetrator who has a bunch of stolen wood on
A fine article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1055591,00.html
Carl
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From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bush is finished -- it's time to plan ahead for a struggle against a
Democratic President in the White House who won't end the occupation
of Iraq (thirteen months is a shorter period of time than you think).
... Over all, the poll found, Americans are for
From: Mike Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Only people with masochistic tendencies like being
freely smacked around by the invisible hand. Most
people instinctively put their hands up to protect
themselves ...
[Some, of course, are better positioned than others to blunt the blows :)
The following is
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The other day I was reading an interesting commentary on George W. Bush,
where unfortunately I cannot remember. It stated that he has been
underestimated by the left and is capable of a wolverine-like intelligence
when it comes to the imperial interests of
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===
Washington Post, Thursday, October 2, 2003
Can't They Just Admit It?
By George F. Will
... Americans know that government, whether disbursing money or gathering
intelligence, is not an instrument of precision. Hence they want the
government to have the
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Devine, James wrote:
from MS SLATE's on-line summary of major US newspapers
Finally, the NY [TIMES] fronts the growing divide on college campuses
between peace-loving professors, many of them veterans of the Vietnam era,
and their hawkish, right-leaning
Your fervor to deny that anything good could be American is disturbing.
jks
You're mired in nostalgia, Justin. I can't think of a single good thing to
say about the contemporary United States.
Carl
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Help STOP SPAM with the new
At 08:29 PM 04/03/2003 +, you wrote:
You're mired in nostalgia, Justin. I can't think of a single good thing
to say about the contemporary United States.
The very, very large anti-war demonstrations?
Joanna
Ah, yes, the demonstrations -- with their very, very, very modest favorable
impact
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, Carl isn't a socialist -- he's a fellow traveler. :-
The woes of taxonomy! As you'll recall, I am a soi-disant *fallow*
traveler. But I do nail my colors to the mast as a socialist of some sort
... being, ah, mired in nostalgia myself.
Carl
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http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
-Original Message-
From: andie nachgeborenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yoshie, see?
Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your fervor to deny that anything good could be American is disturbing.
jks
You're mired
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl:
a socialist of some sort
Of a grouchy sort, I'm sure. :-
Grouchy and worse. Like my neighbor Walt Whitman:
I am he who knew what it was to be evil;
I too knitted the old knot of contrariety,
Blabbd, blushd, resented, lied, stole, grudgd,
Had
From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Say what? He just resigned his chairmanship -- lowering his profile,
increasing his ability to influence policy AND rake in the $$. That's all.
Alas.
Hold the alas please. Perle's not exactly chortling with glee at this
development. As the NY Times
From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... I am going to stick my neck out: if the people of the world and finance
capitalism are not in favour of this war we should not expect it to be very
successful politically. Who will be the fall guy?
Who will take the blame for any fiasco? Judging from
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chronicle of Higher Education, March 28, 2003
America: an Empire in Denial
By NIALL FERGUSON
... Was the British empire a good or bad thing? It is nowadays quite
conventional to think that, on balance, it was a bad thing. ...
[Score one for conventional
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... liberal pundits like Max Lerner who supported the war and in whose
careerist footpath you are following.
Haven't heard Lerner mentioned in years. In his day, he was the gold
standard in fatuousness. He wound up as Scholar-in-Residence at the Playboy
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good Foreign Policy a Casualty of War
Today, it is we Americans who live in infamy.
By Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
Good column until:
Why let the opposition movement fall into the hands of
infantile leftists?
I think it's time for Arthur to grasp both ends of
From: soula avramidis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htm
Liberal intellectuals are never happier than when, with patronizing smiles,
they can dilate on the stupidity of George Bush. What I have tried to show
is that Bush is neither retarded nor misdirected. Given
From: soula avramidis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: soula avramidis
http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htm
Liberal intellectuals are never happier than when, with patronizing
smiles,
they can dilate on the stupidity of George Bush. What I have tried
Canadian law professors declare US-led war illegal
Hmm, once Iraq gets pulverized I guess there will be an opening in the Axis
of Evil, so perhaps the Bush crew will turn their gaze northward -- across
that famous world's longest undefended border -- and realize they can do
some cleaning up
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In any case, I urge one and all to read Zizek's essay, if for no other
reason, than ...
... it helps to kill time while waiting for this goddamned war to begin.
Carl
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STOP MORE SPAM with the
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Has any member of Congress spoken up against this war? I saw Daschle's
comment where he started out strong, condeming the bastard's lack of
diplomacy, but then he said support the troops.
[Even Daschle's guarded comments were enough to get him branded a
From: k hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So what is the code name of the upcoming invasion of Iraq? Operation Just
Because? Operation Enduring Freedom Fries? Operation Desert
Madness?Operation Enduring Misery? Operation Infinite Arrogance?
Operation Just Us
Carl
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Forbes refers to fortunes, which in ordinary English means personal
wealth. Now there have been charges leveled against Fidel Castro, but
owning a fortune is not one of them. I think that Forbes grouped Saddam
Hussein, Yasir Arafat and Fidel Castro with
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blix report a blow to U.S.
Feb. 14, 2003 NBCs Andrea Mitchell reports that the inspectors reports
are extremely favorable to Iraq and a blow to U.S. diplomacy.
full: http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp?0ct=-34o
Andrea sure has a lot more cojones
From: Devine, James
What a big order! If I were to be forced to talk about this subject, I'd
stick to the basic point that the problem with mainstream economics is not
that it's wrong in its own terms as much as that it's incomplete. ...
E.g., it doesn't account for negative externalities, the
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If anyone wants to buy duct-tape, I'll be at Grand Central Station in NYC
under the big clock at noon on Saturday. I expect to be able to sell it at
about four times the going rate in California... ;-)
Hmm, more up-to-date, entrepreneurial conduct than
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about
economics, including the discredited Marx. Well here are some
From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BBC: Leaked report rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2727471.stm
This caused Blair some embarrassment and obliged him to make clear the
differences between Britain and the USA ahead of Powell's speech on the
question of whether
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
washingtonpost.com
An Economist On a Mission
R. Glenn Hubbard's Theory Anchors Bush's Tax Plan -- but Can It Survive?
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 22, 2003; Page E01 ...
At once owlish and boyish, Hubbard, 44, has already
From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:34061] RE: Re: tax theory/policy
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:55:35 -0500
career damage control.
January 23, 2003
Report: Bush Economist Hubbard to Leave
[Hmm, I wonder what the real story is here.]
[Oops, guess the WSJ goofed. Hubbard
From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 06:59:36 (-0800) Devine, James writes:
...
By Larry Paquette
...
However, I feel no need to defend my position. Over the years I have
worked
hard and earned every dollar of the obscene wealth I am accused of
hoarding.
This is
From: Ian Murray
A very Tory kind of history
Niall Ferguson's feel-good television series on the British empire is a
blinkered and sentimental romp
Im reminded of Salons interview in November with Steve Earle, the radical
country rocker and composer of John Walker's Blues, in which Earle
From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Absolutely. The fines broken down per bank are minimal. Less than a
daily trading revenue swing in any one product. Compared to the $650mln
fine levied against Drexell Burnham for their junk bond scandals
And
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 12/23/02 10:16:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There was an instant poll on
the CBS MarketWatch site last Friday that asked readers whether they
thought
this settlement was severe enough on the banks, and 80% said no. That's
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Perelman wrote:
Krugman's latest says: The Washington Post reports that one of Mr. Bush's
frequent complaints about Larry Lindsey was that he didn't get enough
physical exercise.
Yeah, and an earlier article said he looked jowly on TV. ...
[ESOPs today will keep communism at bay, says CBS MarketWatch:]
ESOP's Fable
Commentary: United they fell, yet others succeed
By Chris Pummer, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 8:06 AM ET Dec. 11, 2002
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- In 1994, United Airlines became one of the world's
largest
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't like the word Holocaust as it's been applied. It's best to avoid
it, since it's used as part of pro-Israel propaganda.
Better is Isaac Deutscher's explanation of the connection between the Nazis
and Israel: it's as if someone had jumped out of a
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last night after returning from the tasty horror film The Ring, I turned
on Charlie Rose and witnessed a real horror. Nancy Pelosi, who I've never
seen before, was holding forth on the Democratic Party's prospects. On her
lapel was the largest and most
From: michael perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Columbia Buys Residence
To House Top Professor
Jon E. Hilsenrath,
Wall Street Journal
NEW YORK -- Columbia University has taken star wars for college
economics professors to a new level with the acquisition of an $8
million townhouse in Manhattan that
).
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From: Carl Remick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[Wow. Making Sachs head of this Earth Institute is pretty
much like naming
Typhoid Mary director of the World Health Organization.
E.g., consider what
Jude Wanniski had to say in 1998 about Sachs' wondrous role
in Russia's
From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Washington Post 16 Nov:-
Gore already was making political news. On Wednesday night, he told a New
York audience that he had reluctantly come to the conclusion that the
only solution to the impending crisis in health care was a single-payer
national
From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... Hey everybody, we can't all be white collar professionals and we
shouldn't reduce education to 1) a ticket to the gated middle class or 2)
job training for corporations.
Whay can't we proceed from the following assumptions:
1) we all have to share in
From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 05:21 PM 11/01/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Yes, and he should have stayed away from that batty Frieda Kahlo as well.
Hell, he didn't even get a portrait out of it.
Joanna
No, not of himself. Instead, he was honored in a more characteristically
From: Sabri Oncu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... (western) rationality is that human behaviour,
possibly emerged in Europe some centuries ago, which attemps to
impose a complete order on an infinite dimensional set, that is,
a continuum, that I call life. Life as a continuum can at best be
a partially
From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... Both (Carl Sceptical Inquirer) are pitching religous
woo-woo and can't tell us much about the actual world.
Carrol
Woo-woo it may be, but it is of a decidedly irreligious nature. Know then
thyself, presume not God to scan, what? The proper study of
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl:
I think enlightenment comes from within, not from any evidence the
social sciences can produce. But that's just me channeling R. W.
Emerson again.
if enlightenment comes only from within, then there's no way to convince
anyone else of the validity of
The errors of SCIENCE will never be
corrected by the kind of critique Carl offers because what Carl is
attacking doesn't exist
Carrol
What a relief. Would that were true for everything I attack.
Carl
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Send and receive
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, I still want to know what the alternative is to scientific
(logical-empirical) thinking.
I'd say intuition, but that's only a hunch :)
Carl
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Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
From: ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my own suspicion (which i will try to flesh out if this thread proceeds)
is that what is broadly accepted as science or scientific activity (or
approach), by the high priests and their followers, is indeed inherently
dehumanizing (i think that's carl remick's [sp?]
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl writes:
Again, I believe it's the nature of science itself -- not just the
corruptive effects of capitalism -- that so often causes technology to
have
a destructive, dehumanizing impact on society. The ever increasing
specialization of scientific
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joanna writes:
A critique of the development of science under capitalism would take much
more than an email. Suffice it to say that what we refer to as SCIENCE
today is a specific historical form suffering from specific historical
deformations. I leave it
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ian:
Indeed, lots of the problems of modernity are the uses
to which logic, scientific thinking etc. have been put and those
problems are not reducible to the problems created by capitalism.
Carl:
Yes, I think the basis of many of modern society's
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The issue of attaining zero unemployment is not about measuring it. Rather,
it's about figuring out a better way to organize society that doesn't
organically involve unemployment (open or hidden).
Hear, hear, Jim. Yes, let's keep our eyes on the prize!
From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:41 PM 10/09/2002 +, you wrote:
That's the horror of it all. As Huxley suggested in Brave New World,
there doesn't seem to be any choice between the dehumanization of science
and reversion to simple savagery. As I said, I don't have any answer to
Ian:
Indeed, lots of the problems of modernity are the uses
to which logic, scientific thinking etc. have been put and those
problems are not reducible to the problems created by capitalism.
Yes, I think the basis of many of modern society's worst difficulties is the
pernicious objectification
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dutton, a New Zealand professor hailing originally from the USA, first
attracted attention for handing out Bad Writing awards each year to
people like Judith Butler. At the time, I was a big fan of Alan Sokal and
greeted these awards with great relish
From: Mark Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [PEN-L:30886] RE: Re: Holy Roman Empire 2002
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:59:10 +0100
I can't remember who it was who said of the Holy Roman Empire that it was
neither holy, Roman, nor an empire. Macaulay?
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