please modify your browsers

end up getting massively long missives. Unless there is some pressing reason your need to send both text and html, please change your settings. An example of what gets sent is below. Thanks, Doug Orr -- From: IN%[EMAIL PROTECTED] 30-JUN-2002

Re: govt health plan

The Federal Employee Health Benefit Plan has been around since 1960. I am trying to find data on coverage levels, cost of services, cost of overhead, etc. Does anyone know where to look for this info? Thanks in advance, Doug Orr

Re: 1,000 firms run the economy

not found proprietor and partnership assets. Any ideas Eric? Doug Orr --- Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:57:58 -0700 From: Eric Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:26609] 1,000 firms run the economy Well not quite... But data I just put in my spiffy text

Re: W press conference

of nuclear weapons for offensive purposes. It is pretty irrelevant whether he can pronounce nuclear correctly as he orders the use of these weapons. Doug Orr --- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:19:58 -0600 From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L

study abroad in Econ??

the already too busy list, please respond to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Doug Orr

Re: Fw: confidential

Yes, this is a new version of a scam that has been running around the net for at least 4 yrs. Doug Orr Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:22:05 -0500 From: ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:21269] Re: Fw: confidential Karl Carlile wrote

job openning

will get here after that, please contact me so I can get a copy off campus. Hope to hear from you. Doug Orr Associate Prof. [EMAIL PROTECTED] JOE advertizement -- A1 General Economics D0 Microeconomics E0 Macroeconomics Monetary Economics H0 Public Economics L0 Industrial Organization O0

Interventions and NPR

that the US government can overthrow any government it wants and even the so called liberal media doesn't bat an eye. Thanks for any help on the interventions list. Doug Orr

[PEN-L:9493] subsidies to cars?

and would like to use some of the stats that peopel were discussing a onth ago about how much car drivers are subsidized, and how much urban space is allocated to cars. Anybody got those lying around on your harddrive? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:9492] Social Security quote?

like to you the quote in the paper. Can someone give me the quote and a cite as to where it was printed? thanks, doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:9325] Veblen archives?

Is there a machine searchable Veblen archive similar to the Marx archives? If so, can someone tell me how to access it? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8797] Re: the NFL and urban development

is just a beggar-thy- neighbor policy. At the level of national GDP, regional subsidies do not increase GDP. All they do is to reallocate $ from HH and Gov't to corporations. The only way to claim this is progreessive is to buy into the idea that business always uses $ more wisely than gov't. Doug

[PEN-L:8652] Sports and urban growth

se it. Builing a stadium with tax dollars for the second wealthies man in the world (in Seattle) gets a lot of elite support. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Henry wrote: Jim, Shrinking the size of the economy, even parts that are heavily subsidized,

[PEN-L:8524] Re: David Colander

ique of NC comes out of the Austrian school. But we have to remember that the enemy of our enemy is not our friend. Austrians have developed some great rhetoric to attack NC, but thier views are more anto-social and anti-human than the NC views. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8291] Re: Bengali famine

ics at its best, not its worst. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8098] subscribing to PKT

I need to temporarily subscribe to PKT. Can someone send me subscription info offlist. Thanks. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8094] money and banking texts and courses?

from scratch. I assume several people out there teach MB and have put together progressive courses. If you are willing to share ideas on which book to use, how you use it, and possibly your syllabus, I would be indebted. Thanks in advance, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8076] Re: Minimum Wages, Taxes, Politics

ill reduce revenues only slightly. Thus we would need 3 and 4 to make the changes "revenue neutral," which is the current mantra. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Max Sawicky wrote: Apologies for interrupting the anti-imperialist struggle, but I'd like to know if there are any thoughts here on ho

[PEN-L:7797] charging for email?

Has anyone heard anything about this, or is it another fake rumor running around the net? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- From: Vasilios [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vasilios (Work) Kalaitzidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E-Mail Tax Date: Saturday, May 22

[PEN-L:7731] job openning

e. teaching oriented University. We are on quarters and the teaching load is 3,2,2. The class size cap on intro courses is 50, on upper divsion is 25. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASTERN WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, CHENEY, WA D0 Microeconomics E0 Macroeconomics B1 History of Economic Thought N0 Economic

[PEN-L:7657] Re: new cold war?

I agree this piece by Kuttner sounds like sabre rattling. What was/is Kuttner's view on the bombing of the FRY? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [THIS KUTTNER COMMENTARY SOUNDS LIKE A CALL FOR WHAT AMOUNTS TO A NEW COLD WAR.] China policy needs

[PEN-L:6918] Re: RE: Old foggies/fogeys

as a justification of foreign policy. they were careful to use code words instead. Yet now Clinton seems to revel (as did the leaders of the British Empire) in using "US interests" as his justification for every shift in policy. Well, I seem to have lost my focus somewhere and can't quite get it back. (that is one of the symptoms of "old fogeydom") so I'll stop. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6832] DC Heath?

Does D.C Heath publishing still exist? If not, who bought them? Thanks, Doug Orr PS if they exist, does anyone know their URL?

[PEN-L:6361] finally, an explanation of leftist's and CEO's incomes

"Salary Theorem" states that "Engineers and scientists can never earn as much as business executives and sales people." This theorem can now be supported by a mathematical equation based on the following two postulates: 1. Knowledge is Power. 2. Time is Money. As every engineer knows: Power =

[PEN-L:5774] Re: high school

couraged to go in the direction of walling themselves off from the world, which encourages another kind of atomization. - Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps. can someone send me a copy of Clinton's quote (off list please). I accidentally deleted it. thanks. --Boundary_(ID_WlBFMGyDDq4xpRWaD9tJHQ)--

[PEN-L:4991] FDA and irradiated food

It is SO NICE to have the Democrats in power to help protect consumers from abuse of corporate power! Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Begin forwarded message -- Please send to your email lists and listserves. ACTION ALERT LAST CHANCE TO STOP FOOD IRRADIATION COMMENTS TO FDA

[PEN-L:4162] two tax questions

with were excize taxes and tariffs, but this does not seem to be enough to cover their outlays. Second, under Prop 13 in CA, tax levies are not frozen completely. What determines how much the levies can rise each year? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3975] Re: survey on stock mkt expectations?

ind that I need to actually cite the survey. Does anyone remember the exact cite? Thanks, doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3904] Re: death penalty

Jim Devine asks: is there anyone else out there who's feeling queasy because (1) if anyone does, John William King (and his yet-to-be-tried sidekicks) deserve the death penalty but (2) they have a principled opposition to the death penalty? Yes, you are not alone. Doug Orr

[PEN-L:3768] Re: McCloskey

Barbara Hopkins, Argument and Community in the Markets Debate Doug Orr, Not only Gender: More on Debating Markets Lisa Sauders, If You Can't Stand the Heat Gudeman and Gudeman, a response Doug Orr Eastern Washington Univ. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3303] who really is in control

he table, NEGOTIATING with the generals on the other side of the table. It was a picture right out of any of the Latin American dictatorships with pseudo democratic fronts. Yet nobody in the media seemed to notice! Doug Orr Eastern Washington University [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2170] issues in ABC lockout?

Someone has recently asked me to present a talk on recent labor disputes. Can anyone fill me in on the contract issues that lead to the lockout of workers at ABC? I have heard that since the takeover by Disney, things at ABC have gotten much worse. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:1457] Re: impeachment

start down that road, Soc. Sec. is dead. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:858] basic question on Min Wage

I was recently confronted with the most basic question concerning the minimum wage, and I realized I did not have a precise answer. Who exactly is covered by the federal minimum wage? Or more easily, who is exempted? What about farm workers? Waiters? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:820] Re: Mickey protected

ls. A year or so later, the patient's brother was diagnosed with cancer, which could be treated with a transfusion from the patient. But the patient could not help his brother, using his own blood, without paying a royalty to the genetic engineering company! Hows that for junchroom conversation.

[PEN-L:622] possible examination copies of a great book

courses, or intro courses with a strong policy focus. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Doug, I can submit 10 names of teachers for free copies with a likelihood of using it in a class. This would most likely be an introductory or higher macroeconomics course. I need

[PEN-L:520] Econ in B-schools?

citizens. Does anybody have data on how many schools across the country have their econ depts in the b-school and how many are outside? Also, if anybody has successfully fought against this type of reorganization, what types of tactics were effective? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:512] banks and hedge funds?

money thru direct investment in the hedge fund. While Glass/Steegul is under attack, I was under the impression that bank purchases of stocks was still illegal. What is going on here? Waiting for Doug's (or someone else's) answer, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:497] Re: Nobel prize in Econ.

by the Swedish central bank (their FED). It was not set up by Alfred. In fact, when it was suggested to him he said there could be no prize in economics because econ was an ideology not a science. Pretty astute for a chemist. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:162] question, mostly for those in SF Bay area

them my money. All suggestions would be appreciated. Please respond directly to me, so as to not clutter the list. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:125] If microsoft built cars

Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry.He stated: "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon." In response, General Motors issued a press

trivia quiz - 1

This is the first of two trivia quizzes. Actually, not really trivial, because both of the questions came up in classes I am teaching and I hope to provide answers for my students. Who said: "I can hire half of the working class to kill the other half." Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

trivia quiz - 2 (a bit harder!)

ness cycle. Any help here?) Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

a great resource for teaching

critiqued. The students found it infuriating. The political economy section is equally well done. At the new lower price, it would be a very good supplement to a micro intro course. Doug Orr -- Dear Friends, I am doing a little bit of advertising here. Last year

a question of definition

in my class.) Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Labor econ syllabi

need to find out what books are available for teaching a more heterodox view. If anyone can provide suggested reading, or even better, an entire syllabus for a heterodox course, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept of Econ, MS-36 Eastern Washington

Re: copy of Pope's closing speech

A couple of days ago, someone posted a copy of the full text of the Pope's closing speech. I inadvertantly deleted it. If someone still has it in electronic form, could you forward a copy to MY INDIVIDUAL ADDR. The list probably doesn't want to see it again. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

readings on Marx? - one more time

economics. What would suggests as the best two or three readings AND WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE THE BEST? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. If you like, you can send them directly to me and I will post the entire list to pen-l later. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

SEC proposal to block progressive activism

they don't need to cover their abuses any more? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Myra Strober [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: proposed new SEC rule I'm writing about a proposed new rule the SEC

help - on livable wage campaigns

ke to hear from people who may have participated in these debates (Bob Pollin are you there?). What are the arguments from the other side that I should be ready for? What are the most effective arguments in favor. Any help I can get before Wed. at noon would be very useful. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:12535] Help with course on poverty and discrimination

to me off list and I will compile a complete set of responses for anyone else who might be interested. Thanks in advance, Doug Orr Eastern Washington University [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:12490] Just how does Wall Street rule?

are they so entirely focused on the value of their outstanding stocks? Why does Wall Street rule? Doug Orr Eastern Washington Univ. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:12491] UK inflation rates and indexed bonds

A colleague of mine is doing some work on the nature of inflation indexed bonds. He needs to find a source for data on the UK equivelent of the CPI, monthly, since about 1981. He would also be interested in any cites on the nature of inflation indexed bonds in the UK. Thanks. Doug Orr Eastern

[PEN-L:9377] help on readings on socio-economics?

omics. Can anyone suggests some readings (texts or articles) that would provide an introduction. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. Thanks also to everyone who provided suggestions for my request for another student who was interested in social investing.

[PEN-L:8674] request for help with sources - 1

name would be appreciated. Thanks for your help, Doug Orr

[PEN-L:8677] request for help with sources - 2

nd all suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Doug Orr

[PEN-L:7930] need an address quickly

Sorry about sending this to the whole list, but does someone have Eban Goodstein's e-mail addr at Lewis and Clark College? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6978] describing your econ dept?

in advance, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. of Economics, MS-36 Eastern Washington University Cheney, WA 99004

[PEN-L:6740] Re: progressive uses of pension funds

. If the laws were different, workers COULD use these holding to force concessions that would benefit workers. But given the current laws, worker's own wealth is being used against them. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Somewhere in my piles, I have the percent of total equity held by pension funds

[PEN-L:6744] Re: economics course

tle)." I can't remember the author, and I can't find my copy at the moment. It is also much more symbathetic to the left view. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6743] Re: journal profits

s they cut first! RRPE,JPKE,IRAE, etc. There was a fairly complete discussion of this issue about 2 years ago on PEN_L but I don't know if the archives go back that far Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6681] help on background on nobel prize in econ.

pitalist societies. Thus, it is not likely we will ever see this prize given to anyone who is engaged in feminist economics!! Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6682] Re: jobs in environmental econ

of the critique of NCDS, they will be very useful. Unfortunately, most of these orgs don't pay well if at all. If your student is serious about making a living in environ. econ., they will need at least an MA. Lots of consulting firms and govt agencies hire people at that level. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6398] help on discount rates?

y articles that claim that they discount the future a lot (ie high discount rates). I know I have seen some. Can anyone help me out with some cites? Or any comments on the idea. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5916] Great Ideas for Teaching(was further pen-l challenge)

useful it is, they will want to contribute their own ideas, and all of us and our students will benefit. So, who's up for this challenge? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5917] Great Ideas for Teaching (was: further pen-l challenge)

they will want to contribute their own ideas, and all of us and our students will benefit. So, who's up for this challenge? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5890] Re: no such thing...

Doug, I've been the one quoting that -- I've got the exact quote and reference in my office. I'll pass it alone tomorrow. Elaine Bernard Elaine, Pleaser send the reference to the list. I would like to have it as well. Doug Orr (the other Doug) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5891] the Hudson Institute??

, or about Smalhout? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5599] Re: friendly fire?

Island the night of the crash. After that one mention, that "story" has disappeared completely from the media. Of course, if there was any truth to it, one would expect that one of the more lefty pubs would have brought it up as well. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5170] Re: Hayek and laissez faire

o give him credit fro being more reasonable would be a mistake. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5131] Re: Becker and his critics

ng policies. But if your goal is to understand how the world works, studying Becker is a total waste of time. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5015] Re: correction

his cold-blooded description of how he picked her. As Tina Turner asked, "what's love got to do with it." Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:4327] metrics question

. Is this true? Also, is there any test that indicates whether the reduction in heteros is the result of just adding another variable vs. reducing the original misspecification of the model? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:4190] web sites on NAFTA and GATT?

I have a student who is working on a "pro and con" paper on NAFTA and GATT. She wants to find Web sites for both sides of the issue. Does anyone know of any? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3934] need a reading

in the Sociology dept who teaches the Soc. of Work, and he asked if there was a good reading he could assign to an undergraduate class. Can anyone suggest such a reading? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3925] Re: CPI

. 5 years 1990's CPI est GNP est. 4 years If we assume the GNP deflator is an "accurate" measure of inflation, the CPI overestimates less than half the time, but there is a trend toward increased frequency of overestimation. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3694] cite for Summer's quote

I need to find the exact citation for the quote several years ago by Larry summers that the Third World was "underpolluted." Can anyone help out? Also, does anyone have a copy of the actual memo/study? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3214] Help!! date of WSSA in Reno?

Help! I am on a panel at the WSSA meetings in Reno, but I can't remember the dates of the meetings. If anyone can fill me in today (Sunday, 3/3) I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2947] re:property and freedom

ation is negative! Dollars and sense had an article summarizing the recent research on this issue, but I can't find it right at the moment. I'll keep looking, but maybe Marc Beslow can help us out with the cite. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2909] a question about Austrailia

, are these pmts included in the measured GDP? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2790] need data on immigration

to get a source for that data. Thanks in advance, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2525] Re: The high tech j

tead of just one, productivity increases and ULC fall. It is important to recognize this because students have bought the idea that all productivity increases are good. But we have to get them to realize that allowing firms to drive the workforce to physical and/or mental collapse is not in their s

[PEN-L:2093] Re: state owned enterprises

, rather it is a slave society where the state owns all the slaves! Such a complete lack of understanding of the legal constructs and mechanisms of a capitalist economy explains his post on "Green Capitalism," which I will address in a separate post. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2094] Re: Green Capitalist Production

tal flight. But more importantly, on the political level, it is about as likely that these measures could be implemented under capitalist controlled govts as it would be to overthrow captialism itself. So the latter strategy would be preferable. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:1788] Re: min wage in real world

to demand it, then those millions of people will be shown very clearly the true nature of Capitalism, and just maybe stop supporting it. Demand the impossible. Or nothing will ever change. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:1460] Re: progressive taxes

needs sources to cite. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. Thanks to all who responded about grad. programs in resources/environment.

[PEN-L:1394] help on graduate programs in resources

is likely to remain. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:1335] Re: trust fund excerpts

ys" of the early 1800's, with starvation wages, 16 hour days, 6.5 day weeks and orphanages that can make a profit by selling child labor. the five page postjust plays into Newt's plan by trying to discredit Soc. Sec. and Medicare. That is why everyone on PEN-L and PKT ignored it. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:1223] Re: the middle class

Definitely not the middle of anything! Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:994] help on 2-tier wage schemes and pensions

as to not clutter the list. Thanks in advance for your help. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:286] Re: failing Japanese banks?

and banking course in a week, and would like to be up on this. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:246] Re: pen-l back on line

I ahve sent out several msgs over the past three weeks and none have been braodcast to the list. How long has pen-l been malfunctioning? Was it a complete or partial malfunction? Was anything saved in the archives? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5740] Re: jobs held by A_A women?

this was true, but can't remember where. Can anyone help with some cites? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5741] another request for citations

important) but I can't remember who did these articles. Anyone out there with a long memory who can help me with the cites? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5162] one more request

three, to get a minimal poverty line. Using the current poverty line, the poverty rate is 15.1% Does anyone know with certainty what it would be if we used Ruggles' alternative measure? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5154] CBPP and CTJ?

Can someone tell me how to get on the mailing list for the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities and the Center for Tax Justice. I keep finding references to the work, but it is usually several months after the release. I would like to get it in a more timely fashion. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL

[PEN-L:5155] the exploding Pinto and Gingrich

of $250,000 per affected car as a likely settlement amount and concluded that at that cost, it would be more cost effect to let people burn. Does anyone out there remember the exact amount he used in his calculations? Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5126] West Publishing bill

A while back, someone posted a long msg on how a bill to hand over property right to most Federal data to West Publishing was barely blocked in a House committee. I thought I saved it, but now I can't find it. If someone still has a copy, please forward it to me. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL

[PEN-L:5059] Re: TIAA-CREF

;labor's capital" is used against them just as surely as any other capital. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:4037] help with info.

w "liberal" the media really is. Thanks, Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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