Agree with number 1. Not sure on no.2 (think coal and biomass may be
more contributory than oil).
Totally disagree with First the world is overpopulated... and
everything following that.
Apocalyptic Malthusianism is a dismal science.
dms
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From: paul phillips
MB is absolutely correct. But blocing with fundamentalists is not the
issue, no more than blocing with the Taliban was the content, meaning or
program of fighting the US invasion of Afghanistan.
The issue isfirst, the recognition that the actual struggle going on has
social, not religious
I too am safely tucked away here in the U.S. I made no claim to be
anywhere
else. But I think my point that brave intellectuals in the west who seem
to
support anything and everything that seems anti-imperalist because it is
violent has been made.
Joel
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Like the Holy Roman
Last comment on this. The mobilization of the general population into
open combat against an occupying army, and/or its private equivalents,
is fundamentally different than terrorist bombings. It is the
eruption of the social struggle beyond the limits of both stabilizing
and destabilizing
Which just goes to show the links between the military-construction-real
estate-sprawl-white flight industry as the interstate highway system was
the creation of the National Interstate Highway for Defense (think that
was the title of the original legislation) Act. And the wastefulness of
the
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From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] one up to al-Sadri
Interveners on the IGC, perhaps including the Iraq Communist Party,
have clawed some influence. and al Sadri has succeeded in building
Ok, so I broke my promise, but... this is too much.. And it proves
exactly my points. The scarcity theorists are Malenthusiasts at the
bone, concerned about nothing so much as the old in and out, who gets to
reproduce and who gets cut.
There's nothing good or lucky if the scare-mongers are
Excuse me, knowing I will unsubbed by the
moderator, still -- this is a bad joke. An academic is telling Brother
Melvin, one of the core members of the most important working
classorganization in the USsince the CIO, the League of
Revolutionary Black Workers, that it's ideas like Melvin's
First a little point for point
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From:
soula avramidis
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:19
AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Mark Jones Was
Right
That oil is a finite resource is
not a question; I hope. because if
They, socialists, are not at all doing their duty when they
uncritically reproduce statements directly Malthusian claiming that the
natural carrying capacity of the earth is 2 billion people.
Such an assertion is more than nonsense, it is reactionary, antithetical
to every single actual fact of
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Mark Jones Was Right
But clearly the Earth cannot sustain an infinite number of people.
_
DMS: But the issue at hand is not about an
"since global warming has accompanied, step for step, increases
infossil fuel use"
should read "has not
accompanied...
Anyway enough about that-- Interested if
anyone else saw Fuse and/or Vodka Lemon at theFilm
Center/MOMA new directors film festival?
I thought they were both great
1. Louis, the Green Goat is battery powered, a small diesel engine
runs in brief spurts to charge the batteries. Carbon dioxide emissions
as reported to us by their representatives are minimal, since the Green
Goat uses very little carbon based fuel. Carbon dioxide is not an issue
with this
By the way, I think it would be more productive for others to respond to
these issues, ergo, before the moderator tells me, I cede all my
remaining time to my colleagues from anywhere.
dms
It is pretty clear that uprisings in the last few
days are not anti-imperialist but indeed are a struggle for power
within
the framework of the handover by the US on the June 30th. The forces at
the
head of these movements that have emerged in the past few days may have
a
lot to gain by forcing an
From the Financial Times of 4/6:
"...Floriculture is Kenya's most recent success
story... it now has a turnover of $180 million a year. Last year the
industry grew 18 percent, and combined with fruit and vegetable production,
overtook tourisma and coffee to become the country's second
Louis Proyect is wrong. The article he
reproduces in no way proves Mark Jones was right. Mark Jones argued that
the world had reached the end of its finite hydrocarbon reserves, particularly
petroleum. The limit for Mr. Jones was natural, geological-- not
economic. The NYT article concerns
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From: Joel Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] Will more violence provoke an extension of the US
occupation?
Statement of the Political Bureau: About Recent Events
I realize that my submissions generally don't
measure up to the quality standards of the list and for that reason deserve to
be ignored, but perhaps those in need of a little pro bono work might
offer some enlightenment on the following perplexing matter.
The Economic Research Service of
Follow your own path, let the Americans talk!
Sabri
Last time I checked, I was classified as an American, as are thousands,
hundreds of thousands, maybe millions who demonstrate their complete
opposition to US military and economic occupation, and the possibilities
of proxy
Pretend I'm slow. What's the subject?
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [PEN-L] dksfajdfsjkdfsjsda
ignore pen-l [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State
Is this the same Arab League whose summit just collapsed or is this a
different Arab League?
Is this the same UN that imposed sanctions on Iraq for 12+ years, that
backed down with a whimper when Israel refused to allow its inspection
of Jenin, that has never even debated sanctions against the US
Let's be clear, the determinants of policy, and anti-policy, are not
polls imaginary or real that are conducted by pollsters. What somebody
says a sample of the Iraqi people want or wanted had nothing to do with
the invasion by the United States. What somebody now says the Iraqi
people want has
The Caucasus wars is fundamentally
over control of oil nothing to do with fighting medievalism.
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That much of what LP writes is almost correct. It is fundamentally over
control of the transport of oil, and for that reason alone the secession
of Chechnya, its
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq
dmschanoes wrote:
Supporting national liberation, or a self-determination devoid of a
specific class content of that determination, i.e. a program that
includes
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq
dmschanoes wrote:
his war was precipitated by capital's need to destroy parts of the
productive apparatus and maintain a high price for oil.
I hear people say things like this and I wonder how they know. How do
you know this? Documentary
Compared to what? It's hard to argue with its capacity to
grow,innovate, and produce cheaper commodities over the centuries - at
ahigh social and ecological cost, for sure, but I don't think you canwin
the "efficiency" argument from the left. It has to be on othergrounds.
Supposedly, new technology lowers prices, which spurs new demand, which
reemploy as
the workers. I'm not saying I accept this argument, but I have not seen
many
economists eating crow.
___-
That's Panglossian political economy. The destruction or creation of
jobs is not a
The great, sort of, and humbling, definitely, thing about a market
economy is that it puts a dollar sign alongside all endeavors and makes
them equivalent in that great democracy of the world market where
lawyers, guns, and money make sure your vote counts because they're
doing the counting.
So
I have received the following request from
the moderator:
From: "Michael Perelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "DMS" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Crisis at the peak
David, I don't think that your tone is very productive on the
list. Maybe we
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] oil crises.
(a civil conversation)
DMS: But Iraq is not a high cost producer of oil, having a
cost of production approximately
equal to Saudi
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From: Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Ceaucescu and Romanian transition
There is a man in a cell in Matrushina Tishina prison who can tell you
that such sell-offs are not a very wise move
Several days ago Carrol Cox took exception to my
references to "the conflict between the means and relations of production" as
being essential to Marx's analysis of, and to, capital.
I answered him offlist to avoid overposting.
In the attempt to exercise my full ration of
bandwidth,
Nothing worries me more than finding myself
agreeing with others, save the prospect of others actually agreeing with
me. Nevertheless, I find JD's exploration and explication of this issue
very enlightening-- and indeed Marx never completed, even internally, this part
of his work,
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From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At one time, manufacturing produced flour, but most produced their own
bread at home.
At a later date, manufacturing replaced the home as the locus of bread
production.
Doesn't Taco Bell manufacture food? If Wonderbread was
While I disagree with the Gil's analysis of the convergence between
manufacturing and manufacturing, I am in agreement with what the real
question is-- the motive, the historical purpose for this
reclassification, --and Gil's real answer.
This is not something akin to removing US Steel from the
Carrol,
Of course it, the notion that all those with connections are leaders, is too
simple. It's also something nobody has argued, logically, morally,
empirically. Your version is that somebody, me I guess, argued ALL A
(those with connections) ARE B (leaders), and then proceed to refute
I think it is important to separate the issues of petroleum scarcity and
economic determinants.
We can argue about both, but the real issue the connection between the two.
I think it is painfully clear that the bourgeoisie are not driven forward or
backward by an anticipated shortage of
I was pointing out the critical rupture the scarcity theory makes with
Marx's analysis regarding historical necessity and the agent of revoution--
the essential conflict between the means and relations of production.
I, and I'm sure not only I, am well aware of your tendency to make every
Just to set the record straight: Excuse me, Louis challenged ME directly.
Remember? I posted first the piece about oil prices as an index to the
direction of capital. Lou took exception to my dismissal of scarcity.
I responded.
Lou responded.
I re-responded.
Lou re-re-responded
etc.
If the
I will answer offlist. Others may contact me if they are interested in my
reply.
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From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] Alleged conflict of forces/relations of production
dmschanoes wrote
Eisner Out as Disney
Chairman
Middle of night meeting leads to departure; Marines
escort Eisner and wife toUS chartered jet, destination
unknown.
"He's not going to Disneyworld," says Marine Col.
Bull Merde.
Terrorist Bomb Threats Endanger French Railways
Amtrak Chairman Gunn demands $5
A short while
ago, Michael asked for clarification, or prediction, as to the movement of the
US economy. He received little enough response, which is really too bad.
Unless we have all already grasped that what Marx really has done away with, has
superceded, in his work is not philosophy so
I am aware of both, except one is real and the other is not. The data does
not support the scarcity scenario as I showed, I think, in the body of the
text. The Apocalypse Pretty Soon theory does not drive nor explain
capitalism's maneuvers, nor is the theory itself internally consistent as
the
Gee, I think it proves my point: that Greenspan, rather than being an
erudite thinker with a misguided theory, is a scam artist, not unlike
Keating,Skilling, or Fastow, hired to justify whatever the bourgeoisie need
next in terms of cash flow.
What character assassination? He did recommend
I'm not IN politics.
Aint no opinion, it's a fact-- he's a scam artist, paid flack, not unlike
the consultants paid to hype and protect Enron, Tyco, Parmalat. Look at the
record of what he's done, his testimony.
Next thing you'll be telling us is that Jack Welch is a great leader of men
and
And one last thing:
Let's not forget to whom Mr. Greenspan is beholden: and that's not von
Hayek, Ayn Rand, or Adam Smith, it's finance capital. And finance capital
wants SS privatized so it can get the rake off. Ever since the collapse of
2000-01, Wall Street has been trying to re-establish
-L] Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime
What does this add to the list. Nobody here supports G. or his policy.
Merely
calling names is a waste of bandwidth.
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:21:51AM -0500, dmschanoes wrote:
I'm not IN politics.
Aint no opinion, it's a fact
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime
Well, since I'm being addressed specifically, let me violate the three and
out rule:
dms
In summation let me say a couple of things:
1. I am gratified to see a thread sustained that actually considers purpose
and cause re economists and social struggle. I think far too often the
lack of exchange is not a desire to save bandwidth, but simply the result of
short attention span
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From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime
For 2003 as a whole, new money flowing into the hedging industry in the US
is estimated at
OK will do. Still, looking forward to your take on the conditions of
capital using your statistically superior method. Actually, can't wait.
But enough idle banter.
dms
The shortages are not shortages at all, nor more than the price of oil is
due to a shortage or a lack of production capacity.
For example, world wide steel making capacity is approximately 25% greater
than even the inflated demand generated by the China bubble.
Natural gas has tripled in price
To avoid over-posting, I conclude by directing all to this post of yours.
There it is.
dms
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From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] demo fervor
What are you talking about?
Just for the hell of it, tell us how you feel about Friedman and the Chicago
Boys. I mean character assassination ain't nothing compared to real
assassination, and that's what political economy truly is-- the movement
from the former to the latter.
dms
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From:
And exactly why is this on the Pen L list? Sounds like a personal problem.
You want help with this problem? Contact me offlist.
dms
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:44 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] Reply to a Bad
Haven't we beaten this poor pony to death yet? Somebody produced an array
of number showing that the Republican Party has consistently had support
from a significant portion of the working class-- at least since 1952. Big
deal. That's a surprise? We need statistics for that?
I note in passing
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From: Sabri Oncu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Stats OED: [Was Re: demo fervor]
Hey dms!
Tell me how you are planning to conduct that concrete
analysis?
Sabri
Please go right ahead and do a better analysis of the two industries in
question using your spacecraft.. Challenger or Columbia?
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From: Sabri Oncu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Stats OED: [Was
Are you kidding me? Do you know anything about Greenspan? His history?
His flacking for every flimflam artist in the 1980s? His Ayn Randism?
This guy has given a new meaning to the word equivocation. Deregulation?
What deregulation? That's total crap. When Long Term Capital Management
OK, thanks... but I think I'll stick with concepts like wage-labor, capital,
return on investment, profit, overproduction, etc.
Economics isn't really a dismal science-- unless you're enamored of the
new Malthusianism, i.e too many people, too little oil, as much as it
its concentrated, immediate
Come on, this show was narcissism on the runway, where every woman was an
Imelda Marcos wannabe (not that I begrudge women their shoes. I even pay for
them willingly, if their the right shoes to be worn at the right time).
But this show. Hackneyed, unimaginative, not just self-absorbed, but
No, actually I was not attempting to draw out the implications for future
voting patterns. I was just remarking on what looked to be a counterpoint
to the old lament about the conservatism of the working class.
I think the elections statistics are worthless as indicators of anything, in
as much
No you said you respect him (and I infer, even admire his intellectual
capacity).
You go right ahead and respect this sycophant who has endorsed and
legitimized embezzlers, felons, con-artists-- talk about whoring. Everybody
knew, and I mean everybody in the financial world, that you could get
What are you talking about? Greenspan's positions of responsibility is to
his class, the bourgeoisie. I would not be in that position. Chairman of
the FRB is not a class neutral position. He is the bankers' banker.
Civility? What exactly is uncivil about calling a bourgeois scam artist and
Fair enough. Not amusing, that was the point. No more amusing than having
to sit next to a bunch of overpaid junior Wall Streeters with too much
disposable income at their tender ages, and listen to them worry about next
year's bonus.
dms
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL
Did you remember George I hitting hard over the paroled repeat offender?
George II over the need for spirituality in government?
Don't see much left-leaning in any of that. It may be standard
public-choice theory, but the theory itself, like what it describes, is an
ideological, not analytic
Please tell me how either Bush moved to the left to win a nomination and
then moved left again to win an election, ignoring for the moment, the
self-contradiction between your first paragraph Bush was not elected, and
your description of how both Bush's won their elections.
dms
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But the trend since 1980 has been pretty consistenly down. And the trend is
your friend.
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From: Michael Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
although union members are more likely to identify themselves as dems
than reps and labor organizations are more
1. Heteroskedastic? What is that? Not in my concise OED.
2. If we can't reach a conclusion about a trend since 1980 then we can't
reacch any conclusion period about the degree, the change in the degreee, of
union household affinity for the Republican Party, and the whole discussion
is
All you need to know about Greenspan is that he's the guy who wrote a letter
of recommendation to the Federal Home Loan Banking Board (remember them?
regulated the SLs pre Reconstruction Finance Fiasco) to get Charles Keating
the charter for Lincoln Savings and Loan.
Guy's got the integrity and
and radicalize the population. So who was the radical
president? Ford? Carter? Reagan?
People said the same thing about Reagan, and we got W.
Hello. It doesn't work.
At 19:30 23/02/04 -0500, dmschanoes wrote:
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From: Peter Hollings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
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From: Peter Hollings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dems, etc
The mandatory service bill is a poison pill. It will make unjustified war
unpopular and unsustainable.
Peter Hollings
Really? What working class people? African-American working class people?
Hispanic working class people? Undocumented workers?
Retired, white, former workers? No doubt. But the notion of a reactionary
mass of workers is a convenient fallacy.
But the facts are that the Republicans garner
Wait a minute-- this wasn't the NYT taking an editorial and reporting
position. This was an op-ed piece by Chomsky which does not express the
view of the editors.
So why make more of it than it is? It's an op-ed piece, that's all. NYT
supported and supports the assault on Iraq, the occupation
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dems, etc
dmschanoes wrote:
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From: Peter Hollings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dems, etc
The mandatory service bill
To be used in forthcoming generations of body armor. You can look it up.
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From: Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] more cheap Government Surplus!
[Federal Register: February 23, 2004 (Volume 69,
:37:37PM -0500, dmschanoes wrote:
Really? What working class people? African-American working class
people?
Hispanic working class people? Undocumented workers?
Retired, white, former workers? No doubt. But the notion of a
reactionary
mass of workers is a convenient fallacy
]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] a miracle?
No, it's significant even though it's only op-ed. This is an
intra-bourgeois sign.
Joanna
dmschanoes wrote:
Wait a minute-- this wasn't the NYT taking an editorial and reporting
position. This was an op-ed piece
but the state doesn't reconsider
itself.
First as RB reports, during 2002-2003 Argentinian
suffered a net financial outflow in international debt receipts and
payments. So that even during the period when and after the government had
"defaulted" on approximately $130 billion in debt,
Why do we care whether he runs or not? Does it make a difference in
teasing apart the intertwined strands of the organs of power, the officals
of private, state, and trade union bureaucratic property?
I don't think it does. Not one bit.
dms
And of some importance... just what are we supposed to conclude from this
Pentagon speculation? That the bourgeoisie are now trying to curb their
less enlightened members who want to pillage and loot in order to give the
more enlightened more time to set the stage for pillaging and looting?
And
Brings to mind an interesting (perhaps) true life story.
In the mid 1970s, when I was just a lad working for the Illinois Central
Gulf RR in Chicago, the Chicago Sanitary Sewage District and the ICG
participated in the development of a sludge train service, where processed
sewage would be loaded
Seems to me the question we need to be asking is *scarce for whom*? For the
poor, schools are scarce, medical care is scarce, violence free
communities are scarce, housing is scarce, nutritionally beneficial foods
are scarce, clean water is scarce, democratic participation is scarce,
electricity
Rhetorical question?
Come on, nobody suggested any such thing. Read it critically, like you would
or should read the NY Times, without illusion or
denying its specific allegiance to a specific class interest.
We read the WSJ, Financial Times, the WTO, IMF, WB, BIS, BEA, Statistics
Canada, ETC
Wait a minute, are the rules of engagement here that there is to be no
engagement?
But they, the US govt., didn't, use force that is, did they? As a matter of
fact the oil majors experienced a miraculous recovery in their rate of
return on investment after OPEC 1, and when the Saudi royal family decided
to arrange for a compensated nationalization of Aramco, sort of like
I've said just that at the time of OPEC 1. But most of all the myth of oil
scarcity, and the reality of oil price rises, has been convenient in
hobbling the living standards of the working class. 1973 is marked by two
interlocked events-- OPEC 1 and the overthrow of Allende, both announcing
sorry, wrong URL. Try:
http://www.epw.org.in
dms
What exactly is it that makes a large city unsustainable? Is there
something inherent to size as opposed to social organization that is the
problem. And if so, then how large is large before things become
unsustainable.
To speak in these terms is to beg the question as to how cities grow and why
But what makes a city unsustainable? Of course urban growth is consumptive
of resources, but all of production is consumptive of resources. It's
reproduction that's key, the ability of the social organization to not only
sustain but expand and satisfy human needs.
Now if somebody want to argue
From the NYT 12-30-03
Aging Oil Rigs Raise Safety
Issues
North Sea Fields Producing Longer
BERDEEN, Scotland - Three decades ago, when the
offshore oil fields that make Britain a net exporter of energy were being
developed, most experts thought the fields would be running dry sometime
is always in order. Here's some wood for
the fire:
1. Dominant position of US in the world economy is
NOT dependent on "dollar hegemony."
2.Invasion of Iraq had absolutely nothing to
do with Iraq's adoption of the Euro as the currency for oil
transactions.
3. Invasion of Iraq had
Name that film:
This ain't no movie, MFer
The point was to introduce discussion in counterposition to the
hegemony/declining hegemony/euro vs dollar/emergence of global south
crapola that is circulated ad nauseum by the critiques, prognosticators,
etc of the established order, and then
First, the CSM is not quoting Marx, rather it is
making an assertion as toa fundamental of Marx'stheory. Of
course, Marx offered no such "theory" except his analysis of capital and its
immanent critique, i.e. revolution. However, the CSM is a bit closer to
the spirit and quality of Marx's
What you don't know about it, Juriaan, is
that there are significant debates and arguments going on at every level of the
CCP about these social changes, and there is a considerable left wing which
cannot reconcile the expanding capitalism with the historical allegiance of the
party to Marx
Me too. Bye.
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] dissatisfied
A number of valued, longstanding participants have recently unsubbed. At
the same time, a few people have been
Kurt Waldeheim?
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] something new???
Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from
demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ASK. It's the most important function of any discussion.
No such thing as too basic a question.
dms
PS: To Michael Perelman: Lurkers may be here to learn! As me. I
appreciated very much the naive economic questions from - I think Mike B -
who received
expert tuition in
Backhanded? I was referring to Hari, who stated he is afraid of asking
questions because he might be wasting others' time.
I don't consider a question about unequal exchange, given the fact that is a
historical manifestation, a basic question.
dms
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