[NYTIMES]
August 9, 2004
Immigrants Raise Call for Right to Be Voters
By RACHEL L. SWARNS
WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 - For months, the would-be revolutionaries plotted
strategy and lobbied local politicians here with the age-old plea, No
taxation without representation! Last month, some of the unlikely
was
relatively unknown to most, let alone his stand. in a democratic
nominees focus group session that was broadcast on c-span, some of the
participants referred to him not by name, but as the guy who was not
serious because he was looking for a bride on the internet.
--ravi
, but from memory, i do not recall anyone (and definitely not me)
calling for breakup of these nations as the only satisfactory option.
--ravi
) and the record of abuse by the govt and armed forces in
kashmir and other areas (punjab, for example) and by the hindu majority
(in gujarat for example), should cast suspicion to any official
positions or claims regarding the issue.
--ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
ravi wrote:
This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir.
About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent
years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually
Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into
Kashmir.
what are the sources for these numbers?
I suggest you
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
ravi wrote: Kashmir:
a US protectorate in reality.
then our duty is not to deny the former, but to fight the latter,
isn't it?
How do you fight the latter?
isn't the answer to that question what the broader context of this list
is? or at least the humanist left
is that the status of genuine movement of the
oppressed may be denied to the kashmiris in exactly the same way, in
india, as you suggest it is denied to african americans in the US!
--ravi
Chris Doss wrote:
--- ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nothing unites like hate. and
for that there is pakistan and/or muslims. the common language i
share with my indian spouse is english. but not to worry with respect
to commonality... advice from some relatives/acquaintances on both
sides
(karnataka and andhra pradesh in
particular) may not have a history of such militant opposition to hindi.
--ravi
sides struck a common chord: marry
someone soon, but just don't marry a muslim! even one of the those
american boys/girls is ok...
/facetious
--ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
ravi wrote:
Let there be self-determination everywhere, from
Bejing toHavana.
in a general sense, why not?
Surely, Cuban leadership (and this is only an example)should offer
self-determination to Cubans before it demands demands
self-determination for Kashmiris?
i
or denying them a voice.
--ravi
, are you two saying that kashmiris are a little group that screeches
sovereignity? aren't their demands of self-determination legitimate? why
would india go down in flames if the people of kashmir were to gain
self-determination?
--ravi
it another way why is supporting self-determination for kashmir =
siding with pakistan?
--ravi
ravi wrote:
why pakistan? isn't it wrong to reduce the human rights violations of
kashmiris (by both countries) to a tiff between the perpetrators? or to
put it another way why is supporting self-determination for kashmir =
siding with pakistan?
apologies for the flood. correction
of the
BBC armed insurgency in 1989 - particularly the pro-independence
BBC Jammu-Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) - have receded into the
BBC background.
a contrary view and report can be found at:
http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/kashmir.html
--ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
ravi wrote:
tariq ali writes:
TA The real question is what to do about Kashmir,
and the simple answer
is to ask the Kashmiris.
Let us then ask Tibetan and Uighurs what they want.
Let us ask Sindhis and Baluchis in Pakistan, Tamils in
Sri Lanka, Arakan people in Mynamar
questions here -- i do not have a preferred position. if any of
my messages imply otherwise, please disregard. (2) if this does turn
into a flamewar, i will hold off on further posts, to avoid list traffic.
Michael Perelman wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:37:03PM -0400, ravi wrote:
what
contribute
to further degradation of life in iraq?
--ravi
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
i assume, you meant keeping troops in iraq?
--ravi
Michael Perelman wrote:
sorry. you are correct. but I would be happy to remove the troops from the US.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:18:05PM -0400, ravi wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
what then of US
Devine, James wrote:
ravi writes: what then of US responsibility to clean up the mess we
created?
shouldn't it be what then of the US power elite's responsibility to
clean up the mess they created?
for an iraqi is there a difference? or even for us? 30-50% of the taxes
i pay go towards funding
, not a linguistic one (even
wittgenstein might agree). fwiw, i agree with most of the rest of
charles' summation of logic.
--ravi
failed to satisfy. methinks you owe us an embarassing fact! ;-)
--ravi
apologies for lack of progressive economics content, in my message.
Original Message
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719s=aaj071904
PAKISTAN FOR BUSH.
July Surprise?
by John B. Judis, Spencer Ackerman Massoud Ansari
[...]
This spring, the administration significantly increased its pressure on
Pakistan to kill or capture Osama bin Laden,
. Not sure - - I passed out after a piece of popcorn lodged in my windpipe
3. Where the hell was Spider-man?
2. Couldn't hear most of the movie over Cheney's foul mouth
1. I thought this was supposed to be about dodgeball
-
--ravi
with the thread.
a long time ago on usenet, someone proposed a sort of self-referential
corollary to goodwin's law: any attempt to avoid a response, through the
invocation of godwin's law, in itself satisfies the antecedent of the
law, and the consequent applies. ;-)
--ravi
', no?
--ravi
existence and assistance are prerequisite even for the act
of the person's labour? if so, do they not have a claim to the end
result of this labour?
--ravi
Michael Perelman wrote:
Nike just sent me a large packet c/o my publisher describing all the wonderful
corporate responsibility activities that they support. Very slick indeed.
hmmm... air perelman... doesn't sound bad... ;-)
--ravi
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?guid=%7BB4FBCBBD-1278-4421-889C-1D4B7982B9C3%7Dsiteid=myyahoodist=myyahoo
The self-made myth
Societal support key to much wealth creation, report says
By Thomas Kostigen, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 8:55 PM ET June 28, 2004
SANTA MONICA,
Devine, James wrote:
such as whom?
me, perhaps? ;-O
--ravi
, but his story is an exciting, hopeful account that can be
read by all with profit, as long as discretion is exercised.DJohn F.
Riddick, Central Michigan Univ. Lib., Mt. Pleasant Copyright 2001
Reed Business Information, Inc.
thoughts?
--ravi
Carl Remick wrote:
Hmm, modesty abounds. From WWWK's Acknowledgments: Gene Coyle, Doug
Henwood, Jim McNeill, Nomi Prins, and Daryll Ray each helped me understand
the particulars of the industrial fields discussed in the book.
jimD: bummer! looks we didn't make the list ;-).
--ravi
/review4/1843310279.html
http://www.btinternet.com/~pae_news/texts/Chang1.htm
kicking away the ladder: development strategy in historical perspective
-- ha-joon chang
--ravi
, but use the same (technological progress) to generate infinite
resources for himself?
--ravi
http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/images/06_01_04_Remembering_Reagan.jpg
prefer penis or breast enlargement? or both? ;-).
--ravi
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=514e=5u=/ap/20040523/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_17
Israeli Leader's WWII Analogy Draws Fire
Sun May 23,12:44 PM ET
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM - Causing an uproar, an Israeli Cabinet minister said Sunday
he was
appointed the country's next
prime minister, ending a week of high political drama.
while singh deserves the credit for the economic liberalization, was
it not p.chidambaram who began the process?
--ravi
or Chinese
revolutions.
would you include imperialist looting in this category? would that come
out higher or lower?
--ravi
growth of technology, have been a lot more
brutal and detrimental to cooperation, etc, than the different theories
of post-modernism, some of which criticize these very notions (narrow
scientific reasoning).
--ravi
://specials.rediff.com/election/poll04.htm
--ravi
qualified to answer this one, but my guess would be that
their economic policies will not deviate much from the BJPs, apart from
minor allowances that acknowledge the rural anti-technological revolt
that (among other causes) led to this result.
--ravi
regained power in the 80s. there was a techno bent to the reform even
in those days: eg: star indian technologist sam pitroda was lured back
from the USA to india with promises of large funding and unlimited freedom.
--ravi
will be played out until either the world blows
itself up or we finally expropriate the expropriators.
hence my prefix: from the anybody but bush again department! ;-)
--ravi
, on
behalf of the iraqis who might have misunderstood american compassion
and intentions, after these series of events.
--ravi
http://mediamatters.org/
Plurality of Voters Say Conservatives Have More Influence in the Media
Than Liberals
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405020001
Findings of a National Survey Conducted for Media Matters for America
Media Matters for America recently commissioned a poll by the
Devine, James wrote:
given that the US does even worse, how can I boycott US goods?
you cannot. US goods are all made elsewhere. ;-)
--ravi
Michael Perelman wrote:
On Doug's list, people have been discussing that O'Reilly says that we
should boycott Canada and treat it as an enemy.
here's a reason to boycott canada:
http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/features/seal1.html
Seal Song: The Canadian Seal Slaughter
--ravi
found this in unix 'fortune':
Laissez Faire Economics is the theory that if each acts like a vulture,
all will end as doves.
--ravi
when the
screwing began.
She hates testicles, thus limiting the men she can admire to Democratic
candidates for president.
-- John Greenway, The American Tradition, on feminist
Elizabeth Gould Davis
--ravi
p.s: yeah, i have problems with the last one
as a sort of
police state. how exactly is the alternative (of this so-called
revolution that reduces this and disbands that) imposed on the people?
the last section of #3 is an attempt at demonizing the position you
disagree with.
--ravi
.
--ravi
to proceed, with reason, with further analysis.
--ravi
: RTFM!!! ;-)
--ravi
(for non-geeks: RTFM = read the fucking manual. to joanna: i know you
posted the original request; not flaming you here!).
ravi wrote:
there is a simple alternative:
send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line (in the body of
the message):
HELP
here's what i found from the above. you can temporarily suspend your
membership by sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line
(in the message body):
set pen-l
Devine, James wrote:
ravi writes: RTFM = read the fucking manual.
so what do we do when Microsoft and similar companies don't provide a
manual?
your critique of HW/SW is quite correct. but in the limited sense of
interacting with the list management software, the manual is fairly
decent
to the converted
(those that share your moral/political positions).
i was recently reading peter singer's analysis of george w bush's
positions on various moral issues, in his (singer's) new book. though
some might disagree with his reasoning, (again IMHO) his style is
comprehensive yet readable.
--ravi
memory refresh, should be
able to administer and run the thing. all domains wikileft.{net,com,org}
are available, currently.
--ravi
Louis Proyect wrote:
It was far more sanctimonious and
boring than WBAI at its worst.
surely that is impossible!
--ravi
http://www.airamericaradio.com/
on today.
--ravi
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=655e=1u=/oneworld/20040330/wl_oneworld/4536827661080666584
Iraq War Was about Israel, Bush Insider Suggests
Tue Mar 30, 1:05 PM ET
Emad Mekay, Inter Press Service
WASHINGTON, Mar 29 (IPS) - Iraq (news - web sites) under Saddam Hussein
(news - web
!
--ravi
software.
--ravi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Who will be the Republican presidential candidate in 2008?
rudy giuliani?
--ravi
with by their patrons (the US)?
--ravi
.
- Original Message -
From: ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marvin Gandall wrote:
Though widely decried as stupid...
why is this assassination considered stupid? isn't it obvious israeli
strategy to incite hamas into becoming the primary opposition, thus
sidelining more moderate elements with whom
, if i understand him correctly, he quotes a few reports,
based on which he suggests that the funds will not run out by ~ 2025 (as
feared), unless bush continues his tax cut strategy including making
cuts permanent.
--ravi
it comes to being
conservative about this stuff. we literally wrote the book on sex, but
now we don't even touch or kiss each other during sex ;-) ;-).
--ravi
That it means more than that
;-)
--ravi
p.s: kindness and caring. that's what counts. ;-)
on the history of mathematics (math being
the language of science) and of course feyerabend's expose and defense
of methodoligcal anarchism?
--ravi
).
But don't ask me actually how to play the game. I always went
paralytic.
i have always assumed that a paralytic condition is a pre-requisite for
the lethargic sport ;-). don't tell my cricketing family, but
personally, i prefer basketball!
--ravi
p.s: no offense intended to those who
(as was the norm
for both newsgroups and mailing lists) with such questions. the FAQ
would serve not only as a repository that david and others can be
pointed to, but also as a document on the web that would serve the
purpose i outline above.
my 2 cents,
--ravi
joanna bujes wrote:
Hey Ravi,
Do you or Dyvia know how to make masala chai? The blends they sell are
really expensive and my guess
would be that it's basically black tea + spices. But which spices? and
how much?
replying on-list since trade in spices and tea where probably the
beginning
example---
i must emphasize that i am not trying to lecture here. this post is a
plea from a non-eco list member who wants to be able to read your messages!
--ravi
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
I do not take
badly to disagreement, I take badly to disagreement from which nothing is
learnt, and that is quite a different story.
this is sort of circular isn't it? or is it that only the rest of us are
to learn?
--ravi
that could benefit
others on the list. I would like to hear from them rather than rehash
well-known topics.
apologies for (a) my response to jurriaan [sp?] and (b) the use of the
greenspan debate in the example in my post pleading for better formatting.
--ravi
which tells us that such a beast does exist. and i thought i earned my
math degree with higher grades than sonofabush!
--ravi
generation, dressing up the pop of their generation as
some sort of deep art.
seriously though, i am the least qualified to comment, since my own
posts, including this one, are of equally dubious merit with respect to
the intent of this list!
--ravi
for this bias?
--ravi
found this on the web, and thought it might be of interest:
http://www.india-seminar.com/2003/531.htm
FOOTLOOSE LABOUR
a symposium on livelihood struggles of the informal workforce
--ravi
(such as saying all voting is fundamentally insecure due to the
architecture of reality). BTW online does not necessarily have to
mean the Internet (upper-case 'I').
--ravi
and give you a URL to it.
--ravi
wish michael would go one step further and ban HTML formatted email! ;-)
--ravi
joanna bujes wrote:
So, do you think they're rejecting it out of fear it may encourage
democracy and third-party candidates?
ravi wrote:
without even having to read the entire article, i feel i am justified in
responding that the above assertion is wrong, except in a very trivial
sense
]
if the above is not the case, i still encourage list members to read the
above warning and take necessary precautions and steps to avoid the
above virus, which is spreading at a somewhat disturbing pace.
--ravi
?
--ravi
http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1074360692258_2004/01/19/20cartoon.jpg
k hanly wrote:
PS sorry about the tabula rasa...
no problem, we know your *nature* and given the position of each atom,
its a trivial matter to compute what you intended to say! ;-)
--ravi
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=584e=1u=/nm/20040109/pl_nm/people_oneill_dc
Former Treasury Sec. Paints Bush as 'Blind Man'
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill
likened President Bush (news - web sites) at Cabinet meetings to a
blind man in a room
i hope this doesn't put a damper on the extremist wings (VHP, RSS) of
mr.vajpayee's right-wing fundamentalist party's (BJP) freedom to
continue to kill, rape and terrorize the muslim minority in india. that
would be real progress and we wouldn't want that.
--ravi
.
;-)
--ravi (apologies, best wishes, and peace to all)
is of course beyond me. ;-) perhaps i am confusing
the hypothesis with the concept?
--ravi
ravi wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
What's the continuum concept?
something to do with there being no transfinite numbers between aleph-0
and aleph-1? (where 2**c = aleph-1???). whether that is correct (as
recalled from my sketchy knowledge of math) is doubtful. what it has to
do with fidel castro
over personal email ;-).
non-eco content:
WMD Hunt: Find The Real Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.findthoseweapons.com/
--ravi
the
masses behind him, once again diverting attention from the real issues.
--ravi
to help out
with money or troops anyway, probably not unless bush was willing to
share the spoils a lot more evenly than his core constituency (defense
contractors, etc) would ever let him do.
--ravi
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/10/nobel.peace/index.html
Nobel winner slams war on terror
OSLO, Norway --This year's Nobel Peace Prize winner says the September
11 attacks have been used as an excuse to violate international law and
human rights.
Iran's Shirin Ebadi, the first Muslim
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/04/offbeat.teacher.santa.ap/index.html
Teacher tells kids Santa is 'make-believe'
MIRAMAR, Florida (AP) --Mrs. Jolly thinks her son's teacher is a Grinch.
Sandra Jolly said her 6-year-old son's Christmas was spoiled when his
teacher told the first-grade class
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