Trevor (and others): what does it mean to say that "NAFTA is just a trade 
group"?  NAFTA, the CAnada-US FTA, the WTO and other such arrangements
impose a set of restrictions on countries' ability to regulate the
behaviour of capital.  I'm very uncomfortable with the (oft-repeated)
proposition that NAFTA's simply about trade.  It's one of the corner
stones of neoliberalism on the world stage today.

Sid
> 
> In reply to Maggie, I'm not saying that international trade groups like the
> EU and NAFTA can be turned to progressive purposes.  I think that the EU
> and NAFTA are quite different types of initiative. NAFTA is just a trade
> group, and  I do not see any progressive possibilities in it. 
> 
> As far as the EU is concerned, I do not consider it to be just a trade
> group - it is precisely the political dimension that make it different from
> NAFTA; also I do not see it so much as an international organisation, but
> rather as part of the process of  creating a (West) European state
> structure.
> 
> As far as progressive initiatives are concerned, I agree with Maggie.  I
> think they will only be realised if they are pushed for by strong union
> and/or popular movements. But I think on key issues like shorter hours,
> such movements will need to be developed at a European level if they are to
> be effective. 
> 
> Trevor Evans
> Berlin
> 



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