To continue my discussion, I lived in Puerto Rico for three years and worked as an Analista de Planificacion for the Planning Board of the government of Puerto Rico. One of my assignments was to develop methodological approaches (adductive rather than a priori) for qualitatively and quantitatively assessing the linkages and leakages (from final demand, tax base etc) of aspects of the underground economy (drugs, prostitution and bolitos). In Puerto Rico, with about 4.2 million people on the island, about 2/3 of the population is receiving some form of "pagos transferencias" (transfer payments). The typical places where prostitution goes on are well known. About 80% of the prostitutes are non-Puerto Rican (Columbianas, Dominicanas, Haitians) and of course there are males also involved in prostitution with the percentage who are non-Puerto Rican being even higher. We were interested in such things as how many women or males typically live together (average six per dwelling), how long they typically stay on the island (average 8 months), how much they typically make during their stay (average $36,000), how much of their earnings are repatriated (average 80%), how much of their earnings are taken by pimps or other "overhead" (average 60%) and many other questions. I had funds available to go out and pay women for their time so they would not be losing money; they all knew I wasn't a cop and would never turn them in (some who had become friends would tell others that I would never turn them in or assist the police in any way). I did not find these women and men seeing themselves as "self- valorizing" themselves or practicing a form of "self-determination" or "empowered" in any meaningful way. Sure some would mock the tricks and take delite in getting over on them but there was always a look of sadness and expression of marginal pleasure out of a situation of desperation and hopelessness. In all cases, I would give my number and say, if you ever need any help with the bureaucracy (for access to services) or any help I am able to give please call--and many did. (Often academics do studies with no inclination or care as to what happens to the "subjects"). Prostitutes by virtue of their conditions of work, atomization (atomization is consciously designed to keep them powerless and unorganized) and isolation, attitudes (many were extremely anti- communist and anti-socialist eventhough they sometimes had a hard time articulating what it was about communism and socialism they opposed) typically belong more in the lumpenproletariat than in the classical proletariat. Of course there are many in the lumpenproletariat who have progressive sympathies and have played progressive roles while there are also some in the proletariat who are reactionary and have inhibited progressive struggles. I think that much of Franz Fanon's work helped to break down some of the anti- lumpenproletariat biases and stereotypes common in the left and that he was right on in suggesting that the potentially progressive sympathies and roles played among some in the lumpenproletariat have been grossly underestimated. On the other hand, it was not because of petit-bourgeois morality that the Chinese and Cuban revolutions de jure abolished prostitution as one of the first official acts and worked to abolish it de facto. They understood that prostitution is about much more than the "exchange of use of genitals"; it is about commodification, which under capitalism is more about degradation and depreciation than "self-valorization" and "empowerment"; it can cause all sorts of problems in families (imagine the husband goes home and after giving his wife STDs from a visit to a prostitute says "But honey, I was only aiding in the empowerment and self-valorization of a fellow worker who just happens to be selling a different kind of product but essentially doing what I do at work"), for the families of prostitutes as well as prostitutes themselves (drug addiction, pimps). Further, in the Chinese and Cuban revolutions, there was an understanding based on bloody experience that revolution requires dedication, focus, discipline, sacrifice, compromise, resoluteness etc and that these pathetic and marginal and individualistic (read "atomistic") attempts at "liberation and empowerment" generally lead nowhere except to even more marginalization and powerlessness and alienation. BTW what is this stuff about "atomistic Marxism"? On the inscription on Marx's grave at Highgate it says: "The Philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it." "Workers of all countries unite" It doesn't say "workers of all countries do your own individualistic and atomistic thing and cut the best deal for yourself and your own limited and jaundiced notions of self-empowerment and self-valorization and screw your oppressors in marginal individualistic and self-destructive ways. 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