BTW, I grant to Paul Phillips and others that the Turks have repressed the Kurds in a way that the Serbs have not done to the Albanians, namely this effort to suppress their language and culture. OTOH, after the revocation of autonomy in 1990 the Serbs clearly began to discriminate against the Albanians in a variety of ways, including notably in admissions to the main university. It is unfortunate that neither group there has seemed willing on the ground to treat the other in a decent and fair fashion when they have been in charge. This does suggest the need for some outside force to be in charge. However, unless that coincides with a clear supremacy and victory for the Albanians, I do not think that many, if any, of the refugees will return. That is what Bosnia- Herzegovina shows us. Refugees don't go home even with international peacekeepers around. And of course, it remains the case that the Turks have done nothing to the Kurds that is comparable to what the Serbs have done to the Albanians in the last two months, not even close, which was my original point in this thread. Why are people so resistant to admitting this? Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: Brad De Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6929] Re: Rosser on Kurds/Kosovars >>Barkley, >> I have some difficulty with your whole discussion and comparison of >>the situation in Turkey and Kosovo. The reason is fairly >>straightforward. >> >>First, there was no genocide, ethnic cleansing, forced removal, >>denial of language rights, etc. etc. in Kosovo prior to the bombing. >>... [O]n a proportional basis, the Albanians were forcing out the >>Serbs, not the opposite. (i.e. NATO should have been bombing Tirana, >>not Beograd.)... >> >>It is we, members of NATO, that have caused the ethnic cleansing by >>our bombing >> >>Paul Phillips > > >Why this strange and pathetic attempt to deny the agency of those who are >undertaking the ethnic cleansing? And why this attempt to make every Muslim >in the region bar responsbility for the terrorist deeds of the KLA? > > >Brad DeLong > > >