Paul, Well, for starters I certainly don't support teaching people that "Serbs are monsters," although I might not oppose teaching that about S.M., who is, as far as I am concerned. One difference between what happened in the US and what is happening in Kosmet is that in the former we are talking about a small minority of the population being cleansed (no, I don't support it), and they were not expelled from the country; although being sent to concentration camps is very far from benign treatment. In Kosmet we have a small minority (around 10%, right?) that is expelling the vast majority, not just internally displacing them (that too). Also, one can dismiss it as imperialist propaganda, but the reports that S.M. did indeed have a plan for what is going is far from incredible, even if it is also far from being definitely proven. The very rapidity and apparently systematic nature of how it has been carried out suggests that there was prior planning of this. However, I also have no doubt that even if there was such a plan, it would not have been initiated with the rapidity and violence that it has been if there had been no bombing. NATO is certainly partially culpable in this, but far from totally culpable. Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:41 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6935] Re: Re: Rosser on Kurds/Kosovars What is wrong with the logic of of the proposition that: a: there was no ethnic cleansing; b: NATO declares that unless Yugoslavia allows itself to be occupied and Kosovo be declared independent, it will be bombed regardless of how it treats its minority; and c: Yugoslavia decides that the only way it can protect its territory from foreign invasion is to 'clear the region of possible enemy troups and collaborators' (like the US and Canada did in the second world war by clearing the west coast (i.e. ethnic cleansing) of Japanese). I disagreed with the expulsion of the Japanese as much as I dislike the expulsion of the Albanians. But from a military standpoint I understand it and, in the case of Yugoslavia, the military argument is much stronger than the one for the internment of the Japanese by the US and Canada in WW2. Brad seems to be in denial -- it is NATO that initiated the ethnic cleansing, not the Serbs!!!! There would be no -- repeat no -- ethnic cleansing if NATO had not tried to cleanse Kosovo of the Serbs through its bombing campaign. And now we, in Canada, are beginning to get the backlash of the Serb/Milosevic demonization campaign -- Serb kids in Canadian schools being taught by their teachers that the Serbs are evil ethnic oppressors -- reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany. Don't talk to me about the attempt to make every Muslim responsible for the terrorist acts of the KLA when you are attempting to make every Serb and Yugoslav responsible for the terrorist acts of NATO and the military response to those terrorist acts. > >It is we, members of NATO, that have caused the ethnic cleansing by > >our bombing > > > >Paul Phillips > > > Why this strange and pathetic attempt to deny the agency of those who are > undertaking the ethnic cleansing? And why this attempt to make every Muslim > in the region bar responsbility for the terrorist deeds of the KLA? > > > Brad DeLong > >