Doug, I agree and disagree (hee, hee, hee, how's THAT for a pomo answer?). Seriously, though, I think for women in the United States it is easier to enter and leave marriage than it was 15 or 20 years ago. And I do think that patriarchy has diminished in many areas of our society with women inhabiting many new spheres. That said, allow me to add serious qualifiers: 1. A big problem with the reduction of marriage is that the responsibility for BOTH reproduction in the home and paid labor force participation has shifted to the shoulders of women. Men have not picked up their fair share of the burden. So, whenever anything goes wrong, we tend to blame the women involved. By not being there, men are not blamed. We see this is child abuse cases where it is frequently the woman who gets arrested. On the one hand, yes, the woman directly abused and/or abandoned the child, but on the other hand, the man left before the point where he could be legally held responsible -- BUT, shouldn't we consider him morally and ethically responsible as well? From an economic stand point, the statistics are difficult to argue with. Even with huge errors, MOST people living below the poverty level are women with children. MOST men who become divorced see an increase in spendable income and MOST women see a decrease. The implication of this is that men are economically better off without marriage. 2. Outside the U.S. there are serious infringements on women's lives which continue with very little attention from the rest of the world. Most women in Afghanistan are virtual prisoners these days. Genital mutilation continues in many countries as a common practice. Since genital mutilation generally leads to bleeding whenever women engage in sex throughout their lives, this practice is probably in part accountable for the huge spread of aids amongst African women (blood-semen contact). ... There are many examples, you get the idea. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 96-11-27 11:03:07 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood) writes: > >For sure. But isn't that less & less true? Aren't women freer to enter and >leave marriages than they were 15 or 25 years ago? > >Along those lines, there's a pull-quote in the new issue of Socialist >Review that describes capitalism as more racist and patriarchal than ever. >Is that really true? On a global scale, Third World elites are being >brought into the club, and in the First World, women are increasingly all >over the place. I certainly don't mean to argue that racism and patriarchy >have disappeared - obviously they haven't - but isn't the trend away from >them? > >Doug > >- --------------------- Forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 96-11-27 11:03:07 EST At 9:53 PM 11/26/96, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >So, generally, even in an equitable relationship, a woman can be >severely constrained by marriage. Of course, one can always find the >occasional exception. > >Put another way, I don't think it is necessarily always individual men who >constrain women in marriage, but marriage as structured by the society at >large. For sure. But isn't that less & less true? Aren't women freer to enter and leave marriages than they were 15 or 25 years ago? Along those lines, there's a pull-quote in the new issue of Socialist Review that describes capitalism as more racist and patriarchal than ever. Is that really true? On a global scale, Third World elites are being brought into the club, and in the First World, women are increasingly all over the place. I certainly don't mean to argue that racism and patriarchy have disappeared - obviously they haven't - but isn't the trend away from them? Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice +1-212-874-3137 fax email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> web: <http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/LBO_home.html>