Re: [PEN-L:9063] Re: more market socialism

1997-03-24 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 05:30 PM 3/21/97 -0500, Peter Dorman wrote: You may be right about the early 20th century (although I think I would disagree about that too), but this option -- "a rather vague promise" -- is no longer open to the left. The main reason is that the experience of the USSR and its client

Re: [PEN-L:9063] Re: more market socialism

1997-03-21 Thread Peter Dorman
I don't think there is a contradiction between envisioning full-blooded alternatives (utopianism) and engagement in existing struggles. On the contrary, each of these work better when enlightened by the other. There are many ways to push immediate issues; some go in a socialist direction, and

Re: [PEN-L:9063] Re: more market socialism

1997-03-21 Thread Peter Dorman
I think that the Left succeeded at the beginning of the 20th century not because it offered an alternative vision of the economy (Marx wrote little about how socialism should look like), but because they offered a reasonable and-well understood explantion of people's plight and the

Re: [PEN-L:9063] Re: more market socialism

1997-03-21 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 04:25 PM 3/21/97 -0500, Peter Dorman wrote: At the present time, in my opinion, left political practice is in crisis primarily because the majority of leftists no longer have confidence in a reasonably well-understood alternative vision of the economy. I think this crisis is unnecessary:

[PEN-L:9063] Re: more market socialism

1997-03-21 Thread Louis Proyect
In the latest New Left Review, there's an interesting article by Pat Devine and Fikret Adaman titled "The Economic Theory of Socialism". It is a survey of various models of socialism from the centrally planned variety conceived by Maurice Dobb, to various stripes of the market-oriented. There is