Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (EntrepĂ´ts)

2002-04-22 Thread Grant Lee
Bill R: Thanks for a very interesting post and the references, which I haven't had time to check yet. I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact quote, but somewhere in _Capital_ Marx (slightly tongue-in-cheek) quotes Adam Smith saying that all entrepĂ´ts are barbaric; Marx's point being that mono

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-22 Thread Bill Burgess
At 11:17 AM 21/04/2002 +0800, Grant wrote: >That wasn't my contention, which is more accurately that except for actual >formal/military imperialism, (e.g. Britain in India) "imperialist" and >"imperialised" have always been poles on a notional axis, rather than being >distinct and permanent thing

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Grant Lee wrote: > > HK and Singapore are entrepots, and > > they are city-economies, which indicates the need to qualify the > > significance of their numbers > > It seems to me that if no "western" state is very similar --- and I'm not > convinced this is the case --- to HK and Singapore it wo

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Grant Lee
Bill B.: > Hong Kong 65.772 > Saudi Arabia22.71.3 > s. Korea6.1 6.5 > Taiwan 7.8 14.7 > New Zealand 66.211 > Israel 11.16.8 > Spain

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: > For the > foreseeable future, places like Argentina and Venezuela are on the > front lines. In places such as these, anti-imperialist consciousness > will fuel the proletarian revolution just as it did in Vietnam, Cuba, > China and many other countries where victory was not achived. The

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Charles Brown wrote: > Profits aside, two features of FDI which seem to clearly differentiate developed > and developing countries (in the context of the US foreign investment thread, > imperial vs neo-colonies) appear to be the balance between inward and outward > investment stock (biased toward

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Burgess
Grant wrote: > > country inward FDI stock/GDPoutward FDI stock/GDP > > Canada 23.9% 26.9% > > Australia 28.117.1 > > UK 23.335.9 > > France 11.715.9 > > Singapore 8

Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Brown
Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment) by Bill Rosenberg -clip- Nice synthesis of these threads, Bill. Profits aside, two features of FDI which seem to clearly differentiate developed and developing countries (in the context of the US foreign investment thread, imperial

BATA SHOES (stems from Argentina, Australia and Canada)

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Louis P. pointed out that shoe production in SE Asia for western companies is often done through subcontractors. Bata Shoes has production and retail worldwide and it tries to sell shoes locally based on the income of the avg. worker so as to keep the shoes affordable. Everytime I go to Malaysia I

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
April 5, 1998 THE SWISS, THE GOLD, AND THE DEAD By Jean Ziegler. Translated by John Brownjohn. 322 pp. New York: Harcourt Brace & Company. $27. (Review) Gnomes and Nazis An account of Switzerland's role in financing Germany's war machine. By PETER GROSE (Peter Grose, a research fellow at Ha

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
LP: > > Perhaps we have a different definition of imperialism. I don't regard > US bullying and imperialism as the same thing. Switzerland and Sweden > have never bullied anybody in recent years, but they are imperialist > powers. US imperialism rules the roost, but it has junior partners > includ

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
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Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:46:00 +0900, Charles Jannuzi wrote: >US policies toward New Zealand came damn close >when NZ objected to US ships not confirming >whether or not they carried nukes in NZ waters >and harbors. >In the case of Australia, the US has taken the >place of GB as key 'military ally'

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
LP: >>But I wouldn't compare what happened in Australia to what happened to Nicaragua, however. The USA could have lived with a Labor government in Australia. It was on the other hand ready to break laws and risk a constitutional crisis to topple a government that it feared would become another C

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:37:28 +1200, Bill Rosenberg wrote: > >It's difficult to say what profit figures would >show. The ability of TNCs to transfer their >profits from one country another for tax, >political or internal reasons must make the >profit attributed to their operations in any one >count

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:45:40 +0800, Grant Lee wrote: >We have quite different understandings of what >constitutes a "powerful revolution". In short, I >think Marx was right in the first place: a >_proletarian_ revolution has a much greater >chance of success and longevity if it takes >place (or be

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Ratios of inward and outward FDI stock to GDP, and FDI flows to gross fixed capital formation are tabulated for most countries in the various World Investment Reports of UNCTAD. They also calculate a "transnationality index" of FDI host countries, which averages the four shares: FDI flows (as a pe

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (Comparative FDI)

2002-04-18 Thread Grant Lee
Bill Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > country inward FDI stock/GDPoutward FDI stock/GDP > Canada 23.9% 26.9% > Australia 28.117.1 > UK 23.335.9 > France 11.715.9 > Singapore 85

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-18 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: > Basically, I > advocate anti-imperialist slogans in places like Argentina and Venezuela, > in combination with demands against the local comprador bourgeoisie. The > most powerful revolutions in this hemisphere over the past 50 years have > identified with the historical colonial revolut

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-17 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Louis Proyect writes: > >there are degrees. Japan isn't going to become a neo-colony in the near > >future, but it's clear that US-based companies use their clout to push for > >"opening" the Japanese economy to freer flow of capital, etc., so that US > >companies can buy Japanese assets, etc., a

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-16 Thread Louis Proyect
Grant Lee wrote: >Louis, > >I'm sorry you feel that way. I took your reference to Lenin meant that you >favoured the "national front" tactics of the early 1920s, which did involve >bourgeois nationalists (in dependent countries). This only confuses things further. Lenin advocated support for nati

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Grant Lee
Louis, I'm sorry you feel that way. I took your reference to Lenin meant that you favoured the "national front" tactics of the early 1920s, which did involve bourgeois nationalists (in dependent countries). > Imperialism deals with class relations, not which flag is flying over > a country. I a

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Louis Proyect
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:29:15 +0800, Grant Lee wrote: >I would ask: "why would >Marxists any longer seek solidarity with >bourgeois nationalists, except in the now rare >circumstances where the formal national question >has never been resolved?" In my last reply to you, I urged you not to put word

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: You said: > But I am trying to address the question of whether Argentina is > qualitatively different from Great Britain. My purpose in these posts > is to answer a current within Marxism that asserts that there is no > difference. In that case you were complicating matters by referring

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Left nationalism is nothing new in Canada and it certainly not a novel theory of Ross Dowson. Left nationalism was a strong current in the NDP (New Democractic Party) a social democratic party that ruled in BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and even Ontario for a while. It still governs Manitoba and Sas

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
nfree labour: at first >British convicts, later Aborigines, South East >Asians and Pacific Islanders. That is only aspect of Australian class society. There is also a powerful bourgeoisie that includes people like Rupert Murdoch. >A pertinent metaphor, since the >economies focused on

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread Grant Lee
Argentine bourgeoisie in particular and the Argentine bourgeois state, not Argentine wage earners. "During the early years of the Great Depression, unemployed men would blame themselves for their failure." A pertinent metaphor, since the economies focused on exports of raw materials, like Arg

Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread phillp2
ips Date sent: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:31:55 -0700 From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [PEN-L:24882] Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Louis tells us that

Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis tells us that that the British behaved differently toward Argentina than Canada. Why? Was it because the settlers were ethnically different in Argentina from those in Canada? Did Britain have to behave differently toward Commonwealth countries? Paul, could you give us a brief outline of

RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread phillp2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yea, there is a lot of superficial truth in this account, at least as >relative to Canada. But there is also a lot of overgeneralization and >obfuscation in this account also. Since I have already published several >hundreds of pages and articles on this subject W

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-12 Thread Bill Burgess
", in "Argentina, Australia and >Canada: Studies in Comparative Development, 1870-1965", edited by D. >Platt & Guido di Tella: > >Yet, within the general pattern of similarity which gave them their >distinctiveness, there were also important differences. The key to

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-12 Thread Grant Lee
Correction: this was the topic I intended for my last post, which went put under "The Collapse of Argentina, part one".

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-11 Thread phillp2
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Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Warwick Armstrong, "The Social Origins of Industrial Growth: Canada, Argentina and Australia, 1870-1930", in "Argentina, Australia and Canada: Studies in Comparative Development, 1870-1965", edited by D. Platt & Guido di Tella: Yet, within the general pattern of si