The capitalist, as representative of capital engaged in its valorisation
process - productive capital - performs a productive function, which
consists precisely in directing and exploiting productive labour.
Marx distinguishes in the manuscripts of Das Kapital between what he calls
the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because the amount of labor-time of capitalists, which can fit to this
identification of productive labor, is so small (almost non-existing in
contemporary capitalisms) there is no reason to theorize this phenomenon.
Who are the capitalists you're thinking of?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because the amount of labor-time of capitalists, which can fit to this
identification of productive labor, is so small (almost non-existing in
contemporary capitalisms) there is no reason to theorize this phenomenon.
Who are the capitalists you're thinking of?
advance). He
will, however, be at the Marx Conference in Havana in May (along with
David Harvey, Samir Amin, Istvan Meszaros, Leo Panitch and a host of
others).
in
solidarity,
michael
Re: re China's new Marxist left
by jjlassen
25 January 2004 20:01 UTC
Michael,
The academic left is much more
Michael Lebowitz wrote:
I was struck by the vigour with which the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields value and the capitalist is a productive
worker.
This is ironical, right?
Louis Proyect
Marxism list:
Louis,
I believe it's the situation that's ironic. michael's assessment is right on
the mark.
Jonathan
Michael Lebowitz wrote:
I was struck by the vigour with which the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields
Michael Lebowitz wrote:
I was struck by the vigour with which the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields value and the capitalist is a productive
worker.
This is ironical, right?
Louis Proyect
Marxism
Michael Lebowitz wrote:
I was struck by the vigour with which the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields value and the capitalist is a productive
worker.Lou asked:
This is ironical, right?
--nope, jonathan
Mike L writes: the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields value and the capitalist is a productive
worker.
so there's a move from Marxism to Saint-Simonism?
Jim D.
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Subject: Re: China's new Marxist left
Mike L writes: the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields
Steve comments:
This is ironical, right?
--nope, jonathan is right, that is
exactly what michael saw and heard.
I heard and saw the same time and again in the Marxist journals and
conferences.
In fact, I sat in on a meeting of the editorial board of the now
defunct (I think?) magazine of the
Michael L. wroteI think that
journal was called "Pursuit of Truth" and no longer exists.
--right, that's the one.
On the
other hand, there must be currents within currents in China. Eg., the paper I
gave at the Beijing Conference talked about how commodity exchange (while not to
be
I was struck by the vigour with which the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields value and the capitalist is a productive
worker.
This is ironical, right?
I would be one of the last people to defend the
I was struck by the vigour with which the assembled Chinese Marxist
economists were discussing the law of value--- in particular, how to
demonstrate that utility yields value and the capitalist is a productive
worker.
This is ironical, right?
I would be one of the last people to defend the
NY Times, January 25, 2004
China's Leaders Manage Class Conflict Carefully
By JOSEPH KAHN
BEIJING If Karl Marx were alive today, Guangdong might be his Manchester.
Like England's 19th century industrial center, 21st century Guangdong,
China's southern commercial hub, is the world's factory.
The unfortunate thing about the NYT article is it
doesn't really feature any Marxists. Dai Jianzhong is a fine and rare type
of labor scholar in China, I"ve met him in Beijing and he counts quite a few
Marxists as friends, but he's not a person who would categorize himself as
Marxist.
Wang
Could Jonathan or Steve give us an idea of the academic left in China? Is
it as marginal as it is here?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Michael,
The academic left is much more marginal in China than in the US, and even more
removed from the experiences of the producers than here.
Zuo Dapei, wrote a short piece on heterodox economics in China. It gives a
sense of what's 'left' in economics (which is, as in the US, *the* hegemonic
Sorry, forgot to give the place! The bookstore/salon is in Beijing.
jl
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