Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-05-01 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/27/00 01:26PM At 04:40 PM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote: ... Galbraith endorsed technocracy, no ? The private corporations have technocrats/bureaucrats too, yet they claim liberal capitalism means some kind of anti-bureaucratic democracy. it's a "democracy" that

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-27 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:40 PM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote: ... Galbraith endorsed technocracy, no ? The private corporations have technocrats/bureaucrats too, yet they claim liberal capitalism means some kind of anti-bureaucratic democracy. it's a "democracy" that follows the one dollar/one vote principle. John

Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-26 Thread Charles Brown
So, how is this liberal model, closer to the fact of the last seventy years in capitalist countries more democratic than the models used in socialist countries ? "Technocracy " is bureaucracy. Galbraith endorsed technocracy, no ? The private corporations have technocrats/bureaucrats too, yet

Krugman attacks the EPI!

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
P. Krugman from yesterday's NY TIMES: Real experts [such as Krugman himself], you see, tend to have views that are not entirely one-sided. For example, Columbia's Jagdish Bhagwati, a staunch free-trader, is also very critical of unrestricted flows of short-term capital. Right or not, this

Re: Krugman attacks the EPI!

2000-04-24 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: P. Krugman from yesterday's NY TIMES: Real experts [such as Krugman himself], you see, tend to have views that are not entirely one-sided. For example, Columbia's Jagdish Bhagwati, a staunch free-trader, is also very critical of unrestricted flows of short-term capital.

Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
I don't see any originality in Krugman's argument. The same story written in pseudo economic terms. What a news! As a free marketeer, he suddenly discovers that the "Economic Policy Institute find some trade liberalizaton it favors. But it almost never happens". Bingo! capitalism has never

RE: Krugman attacks the EPI!

2000-04-24 Thread Max Sawicky
Quick. Where's my heart medicine?!! Looks like a blatant, predatory exercise of market power in the intellectual marketplace. Where's the DoJ when you need them? You left out the best part, really the only element offered in support of his argument that academics are compelled to be objective,

Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:06 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: I don't see any originality in Krugman's argument. there's no originality in his argument. He proved himself to be original and clever a few years ago, so he doesn't have to be so any more. Instead, he can be a pundit. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his free market dogma... the "unoriginality" he rediscovered before he became a pundit! Mine Miner wrote: At 01:06 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: I don't see any originality in Krugman's argument.

Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:30 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his free market dogma... the "unoriginality" he rediscovered before he became a pundit! I think that it's unfair to dub PK a practitioner of "free market

Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
At 02:30 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his free market dogma... the "unoriginality" he rediscovered before he became a pundit! I think that it's unfair to dub PK a practitioner of "free market

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I think that it's unfair to dub PK a practitioner of "free market dogma," since he's a technocratic type. Mine writes: Unfairness? I am not quite sure. Almost all the technocrats I am aware of are "closet" free marketeers, either preaching "state regulated capitalism" to make sure

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
Technocrats in power in a post-capitalist country can also set themselves up as a new ruling class, as in the old USSR. True, but now. In the past, USSR was a socialist economy, neither a "state commanded capitalism" nor a "free market capitalism it was "state socialist".. Mine,Aysen Jim

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:00 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: Technocrats in power in a post-capitalist country can also set themselves up as a new ruling class, as in the old USSR. True, but now. In the past, USSR was a socialist economy, neither a "state commanded capitalism" nor a "free market capitalism it

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jordan D. Bell
-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:18324] Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd) At 02:30 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his fre

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
At 05:00 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: Technocrats in power in a post-capitalist country can also set themselves up as a new ruling class, as in the old USSR. True, but now. In the past, USSR was a socialist economy, neither a "state commanded capitalism" nor a "free market capitalism it

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:11 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: I am somewhat confused by the term technocrat. Is it used to mean one who uses power, or representative of a adherent of Technocracy's technological social design. yeah, but nowadays, as I understand it, a "technocrat" is simply an "expert" who makes

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Joel Blau
Jim: Quite apart from all these political questions, I'm wondering how you think Krugman's arrogance plays? Do you think it comes off as authoritative or off-putting to non-lefties? It is interesting to me that the Times should feel compelled to muscle up with two dismissive columnists--Krugman

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
Joel asks: Quite apart from all these political questions, I'm wondering how you think Krugman's arrogance plays? Do you think it comes off as authoritative or off-putting to non-lefties? It is interesting to me that the Times should feel compelled to muscle up with two dismissive

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
ake concesssions for "free ticket", they "reimpose" authoritarianism on those systems to be able to better liberalize their trade regimes. On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]